Should have won this game... Every time we get a lead Fran's dink shrivels up to the size of a cashew and we call plays like we're scared when we should keep pounding it. Then of course we lose because the momentum shifts to the other team. I'm pissed.


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Yea we should have won tonight. We were the better team, better talent, and Fran screwed us. I'm tired of this idiot!

I wouldn't use the same language or some of the words y'all used but yea .. It gets frustrating ... Especially now that we have the talent to beat good teams.. But of course casual fans don't know that bc we end up losing.. Therefore they don't go to the fames

I suppose the 75 yard run we gave up to start the game, the 2nd quarter TD we gave up just before the half, jone's 4th quarter interception and running into the kicker penalty amongst a handful of other things didn't have just as much if not more to do with the loss than Fran?

(09-21-2014 10:48 AM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  I suppose the 75 yard run we gave up to start the game, the 2nd quarter TD we gave up just before the half, jone's 4th quarter interception and running into the kicker penalty amongst a handful of other things didn't have just as much if not more to do with the loss than Fran?

The 75 yard run play to start? We were up by 8 shortly after that, so yeah... didn't have much to do with the final. Sure, if we had stopped them there, it would have been helpful, but it happened so early in the game, it wasn't a game changer. To put it in perspective, we sent them what was it? the next 4 drives for them were 3 and outs?

The 2nd quarter TD was PRECISELY because he turtled up. We went to a prevent defense. We gave them chunks of yardage to prevent the long score. Only problem was, those big chunks of yards put them in place to score quickly. What did we do after that? We sat on the ball.

4th quarter INT? That was because we were forced to make risky plays.

The running into the kicker hurt no doubt, but it wasn't the game changer you make it out to be.

(09-21-2014 10:48 AM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  I suppose the 75 yard run we gave up to start the game, the 2nd quarter TD we gave up just before the half, jone's 4th quarter interception and running into the kicker penalty amongst a handful of other things didn't have just as much if not more to do with the loss than Fran?

We have to get better defensively. We controlled the clock (almost 38 minutes), scored 35 points and had 475 yards in total offense. Illinois had the ball about 22 minutes and had 485 yards of offense. The 75 yard TD run to start the game and the 2nd quarter TD before the half were too easy.

I like our QB and I think he will give us a chance to win games if we tighten up on defense. He played well against a Big Ten defense. We are just not quite where we need to be to beat a P5 school on the road.

On the subject of talent, Illinois does have better talent. They should have better talent. In 2012, they had 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks in the NFL draft. When have we ever done that? The Illini head coach is not developing his talent. He looks like a coach that will be gone at the end of the season.

The TD at the end of the second quarter was poor coaching decision. All those three and outs and you decide I know how to stop them and prevent defense. No, what you were doing was preventing them from even getting a first down. That was very frustrating.


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Fran isn't the defensive coordinator, but whatever... after 3 years of this I'm tired of arguing. you win. Fran deserves no credit for our improvement and all the credit for our losses to more established programs. I got it.

(09-21-2014 11:26 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  On the subject of talent, Illinois does have better talent. They should have better talent. In 2012, they had 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks in the NFL draft. When have we ever done that? The Illini head coach is not developing his talent. He looks like a coach that will be gone at the end of the season.

Just stop it. You're making too much sense.

Wow you really can't see that coaching is a problem for us^!? My mind is blown... Fran's playcalling was better yest than it's been in the past but you should have noticed those drives for the first half of the 3rd quarter killed our momentum and cost us the lead.. And as someone else noticed the prevent defense to end the half. Everyone knows all prevent d does is prevent you from winning .

(09-21-2014 12:07 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  Fran isn't the defensive coordinator, but whatever... after 3 years of this I'm tired of arguing. you win. Fran deserves no credit for our improvement and all the credit for our losses to more established programs. I got it.

Yeah, please show me where I said anything like that.

I guess when you have no logical response, making up what the other party says works for you.

I expected more from a Texas State fan. I'm let down.

(09-21-2014 12:07 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  Fran isn't the defensive coordinator, but whatever... after 3 years of this I'm tired of arguing. you win. Fran deserves no credit for our improvement and all the credit for our losses to more established programs. I got it.

Just because hes not the defensive coordinator doesn't mean he has no influence on how the defense plays or sets up for a series.... Everyone is upset at Fran because he let bad play calling (especially on offense) go on for so long while we watched the lead all but slip away.

Also he doesn't have TXST to the same level as UTSA or Georgia Southern in the same or less amount of time. I will say he's done a good job but not great and I'm looking for great. Plus as good as Illinois is in theory they still had to come back on a FCS team and WKU. So it's not as impressive to barely loss to them. I feel like it's the status quo.


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(09-21-2014 01:15 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 12:07 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  Fran isn't the defensive coordinator, but whatever... after 3 years of this I'm tired of arguing. you win. Fran deserves no credit for our improvement and all the credit for our losses to more established programs. I got it.

Yeah, please show me where I said anything like that.

I guess when you have no logical response, making up what the other party says works for you.

I expected more from a Texas State fan. I'm let down.

no, I could make the effort to debate this.. but after 3 years of arguing with you and others I've come to realize that it makes no difference. It is an exercise in futility. You see things your way and I see things mine.

I feel you... for the life of me I'm not sure how I let myself get drawn into this debate again.

I don't think Fran is a perfect coach. I know that you hate when this is said, but we could have done much worse when we hired him. If you know any sure-thing hires willing to take what Fran gets paid, I'm open to hearing about them.

Until then we just gotta take the good with the bad. I could spend my time like the rest of you: stressing, pulling my hair out because of our flaws and occasional in-game mistakes, but I'd much rather enjoy myself watching Bobcat football... life is too short.

I'm content with our steady improvement. When we stop improving, I'll be right there with you calling for Fran's job.

call me a sunshine pumper.. whatever. Point is, I'm done arguing about it.

(09-21-2014 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  Also he doesn't have TXST to the same level as UTSA or Georgia Southern in the same or less amount of time. I will say he's done a good job but not great and I'm looking for great. Plus as good as Illinois is in theory they still had to come back on a FCS team and WKU. So it's not as impressive to barely loss to them. I feel like it's the status quo.


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You're looking for great, but are we paying for great?

Last I checked, UTSA is 1-2 also. Yes they have impressed in some of their losses. (we've beaten Houston on the road too and we've impressed some in our losses as well)

and as good as Georgia Southern appears... they haven't completed an FBS season yet, so iMO the jury is still out.

I don't think either of those programs have proven to be doing a far and away better job with the transition than us. I really think we're being overly negative about our shortcomings and not giving enough credit for improvements.

This negative group-think rut our Alumni have, has us in a grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side mentality when the truth isn't so clear cut. We see UTSA and GS fans content with their progress and we think it must somehow prove that we aren't doing as well. I honestly believe those teams simply have more die-hard fans than us. They haven't been jaded by a decade of FCS mediocrity like we have.

Lets be honest... how often do you hear Fran get any props from the old-timers when we do well? How often do we hear the negative nancies of our fan-base say something positive about the program without adding a "but" to the end of it?

I do think UTSA has done SLIGHTLY better than us, but those are the breaks. Just because they are doing slightly better doesn't mean that we aren't doing a decent job as well.

I think we will all feel much better after the Tulsa game.

their only victory was a 2ot W over a bad 1-3 Tulane team, and they lost to FAU. They have been terrible against the run this year, we should win that one.

A 2-2 OOC record for us would be pretty good considering our OOC schedule and how wide open the sun belt is. I think we have a great chance to win at least 7-8 games this year and if chips fall right- a shot to contend for the conference title.

Of course GS has the benefit of a weak conference schedule, but their lack of depth could still come back to haunt them.

A win at Tulsa will really help. I expected Navy and Illinois losses but that Illinois one really hurt.


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