Gates and Till, of course, are FBS transfers.

our fanbase is almost as bad as Matt Jones' questioning skills.

a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

(09-29-2014 07:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

Way off. Also tells me we are going to have to endure more shotgun on 4th and inches. I had hoped that ended with the Mick.

(09-29-2014 07:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

Of course the coaching has been solid. If the kids would just listen and learn, and if Mickey's recruits were faster......

Speaking of Mickey's recruits - I had forgotten Dejor was still on this team until he returned Kickoffs Saturday. Am I they only that thought he looked more explosive returning kickoffs than Tapley?

(09-29-2014 08:03 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 07:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

Of course the coaching has been solid. If the kids would just listen and learn, and if Mickey's recruits were faster......

Speaking of Mickey's recruits - I had forgotten Dejor was still on this team until he returned Kickoffs Saturday. Am I they only that thought he looked more explosive returning kickoffs than Tapley?

Also speaking of MM's recruits, was nice to see the re emergence of D'Andre Smith. 6 receptions & a TD, + drew the PI call where he had his helmet practically ripped off. He only had 2 receptions in the previous 4 games. The 46 yarder vs LU and 1 for minus 5 yds vs StFU.

(09-29-2014 07:53 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Way off. Also tells me we are going to have to endure more shotgun on 4th and inches. I had hoped that ended with the Mick.

me too my friend. me too.

(09-29-2014 08:03 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 07:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

Of course the coaching has been solid. If the kids would just listen and learn, and if Mickey's recruits were faster......

Speaking of Mickey's recruits - I had forgotten Dejor was still on this team until he returned Kickoffs Saturday. Am I they only that thought he looked more explosive returning kickoffs than Tapley?

I think he did, also I believe I had heard EW say Dejor is the or one of the fastest guys on the team.

(09-30-2014 04:56 AM)hburgjmufan Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 08:03 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 07:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

Of course the coaching has been solid. If the kids would just listen and learn, and if Mickey's recruits were faster......

Speaking of Mickey's recruits - I had forgotten Dejor was still on this team until he returned Kickoffs Saturday. Am I they only that thought he looked more explosive returning kickoffs than Tapley?

I think he did, also I believe I had heard EW say Dejor is the or one of the fastest guys on the team.

He is. I have always thought Simmons would be utilized a little more since becoming a Duke. Seems like he could have been an option at RB with all of the injuries, etc.

(09-30-2014 06:50 AM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 04:56 AM)hburgjmufan Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 08:03 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 07:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

Of course the coaching has been solid. If the kids would just listen and learn, and if Mickey's recruits were faster......

Speaking of Mickey's recruits - I had forgotten Dejor was still on this team until he returned Kickoffs Saturday. Am I they only that thought he looked more explosive returning kickoffs than Tapley?

I think he did, also I believe I had heard EW say Dejor is the or one of the fastest guys on the team.

He is. I have always thought Simmons would be utilized a little more since becoming a Duke. Seems like he could have been an option at RB with all of the injuries, etc.

Every season he has been there, the various coaching staff have tried to find a role for Dejor. The guy basically looks like a track guy playing football though......he goes down easy and never hit the seams hard on kick returns in the past.

(09-29-2014 08:03 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 07:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

Of course the coaching has been solid. If the kids would just listen and learn, and if Mickey's recruits were faster......

Speaking of Mickey's recruits - I had forgotten Dejor was still on this team until he returned Kickoffs Saturday. Am I they only that thought he looked more explosive returning kickoffs than Tapley?

I think Alex Mosley would look more explosive than Tapley. I thought Rashard Davis did a nice job but of course he gets hurt ... ugh. Hopefully it's not too bad.

BTW, Withers did not say that. He said that when you line up in shotgun for 99% of the game and then try to line up under center and have the first exchange on the last play of the game, there's a good chance for a bad snap and a fumble. I completely agree with him. That's why when you see a backup center or QB have to come into a game the first thing you see is the center and QB practicing snaps on the sideline. That would have been a disaster if that happened. As far as the short yardage out of the shotgun thing, I don't really like it either but it's definitely not just us. I'm seeing it across college football.

(09-29-2014 07:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

to correct myself, coach said that if you are in shotgun formation for 99% of the game and you go under center, you'll have a bad snap and fumble the ball.

(09-23-2014 04:51 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 09:34 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 08:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 06:57 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 01:14 AM)dukeDoom Wrote:  Hmm...what else do Cheatham and Brown have in common other than being MM recruits? Hmm...and he's not impressed with their speed. Interesting

He has seen them practice for the last 9 months so he has the right to make that statement. Brown getting caught on that long pass shows he runs a 4.7 after the ACL surgery.

Exactly, don't try to turn those statements into something they were not.

That's correct. He's pitting his recruited players against those he inherited from Matthews and inferring that he's somehow not accountable for wins and losses until it's entirely his team. That was my gripe....had nothing to do with race. I'm glad that JMU hired Withers and I hope that he succeeds. Having said that, he's now a public figure as head coach, and I was expressing my views on a public message board.

Yep - I've noticed that too.

I am glad I am not alone in that opinion, I have said it before myself and have heard it told to me time and time again since camp. As much as I want to voice my opinion with the current staff with regard to legacy players pushed aside for Withers "Dudes" it's not my battle to fight. All I can do is listen and offer advice when asked. Seems like no matter how some of these kids outwork or outplay others, the nod with go to the kid that was/is recruited by the current staff. It was also stated there are a lot of individuals on the roster, and only a handful of true team guys, and a double standard with regard to the handling of some disciplinary situations, there is also fear that if the player speaks up he will be told to pack it up and free up a roster spot. I chalk a lot of it to a 18-21 year old venting, but where there is smoke there is fire. I really had high hopes with the change of the HC and staff, and I did like the previous one as well. My hope is that is all works out...but the shelf life is starting to run out..

(09-30-2014 12:43 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 08:03 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 07:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  a little bit tamer today by Matt and EW.

-Coach stands behind all coaching decisions saturday.
-coach says 99% of the time when you line up under center on 4th and short the play results in a fumble. I think his stats are off.

Of course the coaching has been solid. If the kids would just listen and learn, and if Mickey's recruits were faster......

Speaking of Mickey's recruits - I had forgotten Dejor was still on this team until he returned Kickoffs Saturday. Am I they only that thought he looked more explosive returning kickoffs than Tapley?

I think Alex Mosley would look more explosive than Tapley. I thought Rashard Davis did a nice job but of course he gets hurt ... ugh. Hopefully it's not too bad.

BTW, Withers did not say that. He said that when you line up in shotgun for 99% of the game and then try to line up under center and have the first exchange on the last play of the game, there's a good chance for a bad snap and a fumble. I completely agree with him. That's why when you see a backup center or QB have to come into a game the first thing you see is the center and QB practicing snaps on the sideline. That would have been a disaster if that happened. As far as the short yardage out of the shotgun thing, I don't really like it either but it's definitely not just us. I'm seeing it across college football.

He said you will "probably" have a fumbled snap. That is total BS. There is not a greater than 50% likelihood of a fumbled snap by lining up under center. They practice this, and VL played under center the last three years at GT. I played QB throughout HS, and taking a snap under center is not difficult nor would it "probably" result in a fumble. The reality is that there is a much greater chance of a bad snap when in shotgun, and our centers have already proven that they are prone to these, not to mention the risk of VL mishandling the shotgun snap, which also occurred multiple times in that game. I don't buy it. Lame excuse.

(09-30-2014 03:34 PM)757dukedawg Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 04:51 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 09:34 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 08:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 06:57 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  He has seen them practice for the last 9 months so he has the right to make that statement. Brown getting caught on that long pass shows he runs a 4.7 after the ACL surgery.

Exactly, don't try to turn those statements into something they were not.

That's correct. He's pitting his recruited players against those he inherited from Matthews and inferring that he's somehow not accountable for wins and losses until it's entirely his team. That was my gripe....had nothing to do with race. I'm glad that JMU hired Withers and I hope that he succeeds. Having said that, he's now a public figure as head coach, and I was expressing my views on a public message board.

Yep - I've noticed that too.

I am glad I am not alone in that opinion, I have said it before myself and have heard it told to me time and time again since camp. As much as I want to voice my opinion with the current staff with regard to legacy players pushed aside for Withers "Dudes" it's not my battle to fight. All I can do is listen and offer advice when asked. Seems like no matter how some of these kids outwork or outplay others, the nod with go to the kid that was/is recruited by the current staff. It was also stated there are a lot of individuals on the roster, and only a handful of true team guys, and a double standard with regard to the handling of some disciplinary situations, there is also fear that if the player speaks up he will be told to pack it up and free up a roster spot. I chalk a lot of it to a 18-21 year old venting, but where there is smoke there is fire. I really had high hopes with the change of the HC and staff, and I did like the previous one as well. My hope is that is all works out...but the shelf life is starting to run out..

Which MM recruits have lost playing time to guys Withers has brought in? The only significant one I can think of is Jeremiah Wilson and he's been replaced by Moreland who has been one of the brightest spots on our team. I really think Vad is becoming better and better as a passer and is starting to look more explosive in the run game. I think this is very much overblown. Almost all of the starters are MM recruits. I would have had Abdullah in the game there at the end. I don't agree with that decision. Withers also brought in some transfers like Hill who were highly regarded who aren't seeing the field much.

(09-30-2014 06:47 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:34 PM)757dukedawg Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 04:51 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 09:34 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 08:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Exactly, don't try to turn those statements into something they were not.

That's correct. He's pitting his recruited players against those he inherited from Matthews and inferring that he's somehow not accountable for wins and losses until it's entirely his team. That was my gripe....had nothing to do with race. I'm glad that JMU hired Withers and I hope that he succeeds. Having said that, he's now a public figure as head coach, and I was expressing my views on a public message board.

Yep - I've noticed that too.

I am glad I am not alone in that opinion, I have said it before myself and have heard it told to me time and time again since camp. As much as I want to voice my opinion with the current staff with regard to legacy players pushed aside for Withers "Dudes" it's not my battle to fight. All I can do is listen and offer advice when asked. Seems like no matter how some of these kids outwork or outplay others, the nod with go to the kid that was/is recruited by the current staff. It was also stated there are a lot of individuals on the roster, and only a handful of true team guys, and a double standard with regard to the handling of some disciplinary situations, there is also fear that if the player speaks up he will be told to pack it up and free up a roster spot. I chalk a lot of it to a 18-21 year old venting, but where there is smoke there is fire. I really had high hopes with the change of the HC and staff, and I did like the previous one as well. My hope is that is all works out...but the shelf life is starting to run out..

Which MM recruits have lost playing time to guys Withers has brought in? The only significant one I can think of is Jeremiah Wilson and he's been replaced by Moreland who has been one of the brightest spots on our team. I really think Vad is becoming better and better as a passer and is starting to look more explosive in the run game. I think this is very much overblown. Almost all of the starters are MM recruits. I would have had Abdullah in the game there at the end. I don't agree with that decision. Withers also brought in some transfers like Hill who were highly regarded who aren't seeing the field much.

The point I am trying to make with regard to legacy vs. dudes is the perception be it real or not is that the a significant number legacy players are treated like second class citizens or marginalized all together in favor of EW recruited players. I know a good number are on the two deep and I don't have an issue with who starts and who doesn't but it's Almost like he and the new staff are doing their best to push a number of them out. I have heard this from more than a few people. These young men work hard in the hopes of just playing special teams in some cases but to be penalized because they were recruited by a previous staff is kind of wrong. It will be interesting after the season to see how many RS Juniors come back. As I have said before, I know it is a business and it's all about wins and losses, but don't crush a kid because you didn't recruit him...that is the heartburn I have.

(09-30-2014 07:11 PM)757dukedawg Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 06:47 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:34 PM)757dukedawg Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 04:51 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 09:34 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  That's correct. He's pitting his recruited players against those he inherited from Matthews and inferring that he's somehow not accountable for wins and losses until it's entirely his team. That was my gripe....had nothing to do with race. I'm glad that JMU hired Withers and I hope that he succeeds. Having said that, he's now a public figure as head coach, and I was expressing my views on a public message board.

Yep - I've noticed that too.

I am glad I am not alone in that opinion, I have said it before myself and have heard it told to me time and time again since camp. As much as I want to voice my opinion with the current staff with regard to legacy players pushed aside for Withers "Dudes" it's not my battle to fight. All I can do is listen and offer advice when asked. Seems like no matter how some of these kids outwork or outplay others, the nod with go to the kid that was/is recruited by the current staff. It was also stated there are a lot of individuals on the roster, and only a handful of true team guys, and a double standard with regard to the handling of some disciplinary situations, there is also fear that if the player speaks up he will be told to pack it up and free up a roster spot. I chalk a lot of it to a 18-21 year old venting, but where there is smoke there is fire. I really had high hopes with the change of the HC and staff, and I did like the previous one as well. My hope is that is all works out...but the shelf life is starting to run out..

Which MM recruits have lost playing time to guys Withers has brought in? The only significant one I can think of is Jeremiah Wilson and he's been replaced by Moreland who has been one of the brightest spots on our team. I really think Vad is becoming better and better as a passer and is starting to look more explosive in the run game. I think this is very much overblown. Almost all of the starters are MM recruits. I would have had Abdullah in the game there at the end. I don't agree with that decision. Withers also brought in some transfers like Hill who were highly regarded who aren't seeing the field much.

The point I am trying to make with regard to legacy vs. dudes is the perception be it real or not is that the a significant number legacy players are treated like second class citizens or marginalized all together in favor of EW recruited players. I know a good number are on the two deep and I don't have an issue with who starts and who doesn't but it's Almost like he and the new staff are doing their best to push a number of them out. I have heard this from more than a few people. These young men work hard in the hopes of just playing special teams in some cases but to be penalized because they were recruited by a previous staff is kind of wrong. It will be interesting after the season to see how many RS Juniors come back. As I have said before, I know it is a business and it's all about wins and losses, but don't crush a kid because you didn't recruit him...that is the heartburn I have.

My thoughts are not so much with the legacy player PT as it is in the way he works so hard to promote to the media his own guys and is very "ho hum" with the ones MM brought in. I would just like to see him a little more consistent. I aware that its a little natural to do this without even realizing it. This is something his coaches and JB could help him out.