(09-12-2014 04:26 PM)billings Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:20 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU to the PAC FB Only.

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You know nothing about the PAC it seems

Not just about the PAC

(09-12-2014 04:26 PM)billings Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:20 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU to the PAC FB Only.

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You know nothing about the PAC it seems

Why couldn't the PAC consider BYU FB Only? If the PAC would ever consider BYU chances of FB only are so much higher since they don't want to play sports on Sundays.

What if Texas has the votes to join the PAC but Oklahoma can't get away from Oklahoma State? Enter BYU FB Only into the equation.

BYU FB Only & Colorado St to the PAC
BYU FB Only & Colorado St to the B12
BYU FB Only & Colorado St to the AAC

BYU FB Only & Colorado St to the.......MAC!!

(09-12-2014 06:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:26 PM)billings Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:20 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU to the PAC FB Only.

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You know nothing about the PAC it seems

Why couldn't the PAC consider BYU FB Only? If the PAC would ever consider BYU chances of FB only are so much higher since they don't want to play sports on Sundays.

What if Texas has the votes to join the PAC but Oklahoma can't get away from Oklahoma State? Enter BYU FB Only into the equation.

You know nothing about the culture of BYU and the Pac-12 Presidents.
Not happening.
As I have said before, NAU ( and about 50 other schools) is more likely to get an invite before BYU.


the Pac-12 doesn't need to invite anyone. BYU does nothing for them. They are 180 opposite culturally.

(09-12-2014 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 06:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:26 PM)billings Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:20 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU to the PAC FB Only.

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You know nothing about the PAC it seems

Why couldn't the PAC consider BYU FB Only? If the PAC would ever consider BYU chances of FB only are so much higher since they don't want to play sports on Sundays.

What if Texas has the votes to join the PAC but Oklahoma can't get away from Oklahoma State? Enter BYU FB Only into the equation.

You know nothing about the culture of BYU and the Pac-12 Presidents.
Not happening.
As I have said before, NAU ( and about 50 other schools) is more likely to get an invite before BYU.


the Pac-12 doesn't need to invite anyone. BYU does nothing for them. They are 180 opposite culturally.

Culture can always change.

There is nothing that is absolute.

(09-12-2014 06:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 06:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:26 PM)billings Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:20 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU to the PAC FB Only.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

You know nothing about the PAC it seems

Why couldn't the PAC consider BYU FB Only? If the PAC would ever consider BYU chances of FB only are so much higher since they don't want to play sports on Sundays.

What if Texas has the votes to join the PAC but Oklahoma can't get away from Oklahoma State? Enter BYU FB Only into the equation.

You know nothing about the culture of BYU and the Pac-12 Presidents.
Not happening.
As I have said before, NAU ( and about 50 other schools) is more likely to get an invite before BYU.


the Pac-12 doesn't need to invite anyone. BYU does nothing for them. They are 180 opposite culturally.

Culture can always change.

There is nothing that is absolute.

Mormon culture at BYU is absolute. Even the folks at USC and it's Methodist(?) history cant stand them. The PAC is as Secular focused as the Big Ten or perhaps even more so.

BYU's best opportunity in the future is to be in whatever Gatekeeper Mid Major conference takes shape. Till then they are best off sitting in Independent status in order to maintain their current negotiating strength.

BYU football only, San Diego State basketball only, Baylor can be in the PAC 12 every other year rotating with SMU in odd years, 5 divisions of 3 teams and then a double elimination tournament at the end of the year to determine a champ.

That's about as likely as BYU going football only to the PAC 12.

(09-12-2014 07:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 06:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 06:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:26 PM)billings Wrote:  You know nothing about the PAC it seems

Why couldn't the PAC consider BYU FB Only? If the PAC would ever consider BYU chances of FB only are so much higher since they don't want to play sports on Sundays.

What if Texas has the votes to join the PAC but Oklahoma can't get away from Oklahoma State? Enter BYU FB Only into the equation.

You know nothing about the culture of BYU and the Pac-12 Presidents.
Not happening.
As I have said before, NAU ( and about 50 other schools) is more likely to get an invite before BYU.


the Pac-12 doesn't need to invite anyone. BYU does nothing for them. They are 180 opposite culturally.

Culture can always change.

There is nothing that is absolute.

Mormon culture at BYU is absolute. Even the folks at USC and it's Methodist(?) history cant stand them. The PAC is as Secular focused as the Big Ten or perhaps even more so.

BYU's best opportunity in the future is to be in whatever Gatekeeper Mid Major conference takes shape. Till then they are best off sitting in Independent status in order to maintain their current negotiating strength.

Churches grow more liberal over time. A lot of Independent churches are starting up in Utah with adherents that are middle of the road to liberal.

Unless you are like Westboro where you're existence is based on spouting out hate.

This country is becoming more liberal step by step. Marijuana for purchase at the store and a racino (with power jackpots) in every town.

(09-12-2014 06:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:26 PM)billings Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 04:20 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU to the PAC FB Only.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

You know nothing about the PAC it seems

Why couldn't the PAC consider BYU FB Only? If the PAC would ever consider BYU chances of FB only are so much higher since they don't want to play sports on Sundays.

What if Texas has the votes to join the PAC but Oklahoma can't get away from Oklahoma State? Enter BYU FB Only into the equation.

BYU is under censor by the AAUP for lack of academic freedom. It is not the PAC that needs to change, nor is it just a sunday rule change to let BYU in for the PAC. Like I said you little about the west and BYU and it shows.

http://www.aaup.org/our-programs/academi...nsure-list

(09-12-2014 07:33 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 07:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 06:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 06:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Why couldn't the PAC consider BYU FB Only? If the PAC would ever consider BYU chances of FB only are so much higher since they don't want to play sports on Sundays.

What if Texas has the votes to join the PAC but Oklahoma can't get away from Oklahoma State? Enter BYU FB Only into the equation.

You know nothing about the culture of BYU and the Pac-12 Presidents.
Not happening.
As I have said before, NAU ( and about 50 other schools) is more likely to get an invite before BYU.


the Pac-12 doesn't need to invite anyone. BYU does nothing for them. They are 180 opposite culturally.

Culture can always change.

There is nothing that is absolute.

Mormon culture at BYU is absolute. Even the folks at USC and it's Methodist(?) history cant stand them. The PAC is as Secular focused as the Big Ten or perhaps even more so.

BYU's best opportunity in the future is to be in whatever Gatekeeper Mid Major conference takes shape. Till then they are best off sitting in Independent status in order to maintain their current negotiating strength.

Churches grow more liberal over time. A lot of Independent churches are starting up in Utah with adherents that are middle of the road to liberal.

Unless you are like Westboro where you're existence is based on spouting out hate.

This country is becoming more liberal step by step. Marijuana for purchase at the store and a racino (with power jackpots) in every town.

There are a lot of Mormons where I live especially in some of the Southeastern portions of the Phoenix area. They hold on to their traditions quite strongly, well....at least on the surface they do.

What they do in their private lives, not so much.

(09-11-2014 01:37 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Fine Fine, The Sun Belt will take them.. Twist our arms

Utah is contiguous to Idaho and New Mexico.

BYU isn't leaving WCC basketball for the foreseeable future. Nothing happens in realignment if their football team goes undefeated

(09-13-2014 01:42 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  BYU isn't leaving WCC basketball for the foreseeable future. Nothing happens in realignment if their football team goes undefeated

I actually think a Big 12 football-only membership works well for both BYU and the Big 12. Since the Big 12 already has West Virginia, any all sports additions need to come from the east. Football additions can come from anywhere as travel is less of an issue.

(09-13-2014 06:21 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 01:42 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  BYU isn't leaving WCC basketball for the foreseeable future. Nothing happens in realignment if their football team goes undefeated

I actually think a Big 12 football-only membership works well for both BYU and the Big 12. Since the Big 12 already has West Virginia, any all sports additions need to come from the east. Football additions can come from anywhere as travel is less of an issue.

I don't understand the reasoning behind the B12 picking up West Virginia.

They would have been better off trying to go with a school like Colorado State to get back into the Denver market and position itself later down the road for more western additions, like BYU FB only.

B12 West: BYU, Colorado St, New Mexico, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma St
B12 Central: Texas, TCU, Oklahoma, Kansas St, Kansas, Iowa St.

This way the B12 positions itself as a 2nd western power conference to go along with the PAC. Instead of Texas and Oklahoma going West have the conference move west. Maybe there will still be a chance to do something like this if the ACC decides it wants to go to 15 in FB and adds WVU when the B12 GOR is up.

(09-13-2014 06:21 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 01:42 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  BYU isn't leaving WCC basketball for the foreseeable future. Nothing happens in realignment if their football team goes undefeated

I actually think a Big 12 football-only membership works well for both BYU and the Big 12. Since the Big 12 already has West Virginia, any all sports additions need to come from the east. Football additions can come from anywhere as travel is less of an issue.

Football only in a P5 conference is more likely since the ACC
has ND. I know they are all sports and 5/8th football . They are still the only non full member of a P5.

BYU to the Big 12 is most likely off the board even if they go undefeated.

In the Big 12 the individual universities own the third tier TV rights, that came about as part of the deal to keep Texas happy and create the Longhorn Network. The current Big 12 TV deal runs through I believe 2024.

The only thing the Big 12 would achieve from a monetary standpoint by adding BYU or anyone else is to dilute the per team revenue. It’s the same reason they wont go to 12 teams for a championship game until they are either forced to by the NCAA or feel they are missing a spot in the playoffs because of it. It adds no value.

If the conference controlled the third tier rights then they would be increasing the value of the third tier package they have to sell by adding BYU and increase the revenue more than the dilution of adding a team.

The most realistic options for BYU are to either stay independent or join a G5.

I think BYU would take a football only membership with reduced pay to not effect the big 12 $ pie. THe big 12 gets a quality member out of the deal.

(09-13-2014 10:32 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  BYU to the Big 12 is most likely off the board even if they go undefeated.

No conference is ever going to admit a school because they happen to go undefeated in a given year, unless that conference was incredibly desperate for immediate football credibility. The notion that the Big 12 would invite BYU on that basis is therefore absurd.