(09-09-2014 12:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 11:52 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 11:45 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 10:54 AM)Usajags Wrote:  There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.

http://bamahammer.com/2012/05/08/bear-br...-football/


Rumor has it that after the success of the Jets in Super Bowl III and the explosion in the popularity of college football, an NCAA subcomittee investigated the possibility of a college playoff around 1972. The subcommitte consisted of three, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, John McKay and a few others. The results indicated that instituting a college playoff would immediately bring in three times the money. However, Bryant pointed out that the money would have to be shared among everyone and enable minor and up and coming schools to compete with the big boys. The equalization of money would challenge the established schools. Therefore, they would do everything to hold off the playoff and increase the gap between the have and have nots. The first thing they did was realign the schools designate big boys from little boys in 1978 with Div 1A, 1AA, II and III.

This sort of worked until 1987 when actual #1 Miami played actual #2 Penn State which were both independent. The playoffs were born.

It eventually destroyed the bowl tie ends and forced the Bowl Coalition in 1992. Correspondingly, the SEC started its conference championship playoff in 1992 to ensure its champion would always be in contention to be selected for National Championship game. It has worked very well for SEC. Now the PAC 12, Big TEN, and ACC have instituted a 1st round playoff games called the Conference Championship games along with CUSA and MAC.

So now we have P5 autonomy. It is just the next line of defense in trying to maintain their dominance. Don't blame them but the all conference championship is coming. My guess is it will be the 8 highest ranked conference champions seeded in a playoff. Counting the Championship games it will be an defacto 16/20 team playoff.

16/20 >>> 10 conference champions.

It looks this will occur by 2022.

Panama, are you referring to Ga State football considerations?

I bolded what I am referring to. I mean you really take liberties with what is in your head.

There has never been any unity in the P5. Shoot the SEC wanted to change the BCS to a single game after the bowls and that was too much like a dreaded playoff. Then Bama and LSU met in the title game and suddenly a four team playoff was a swell idea.

Look none of those SOB's trust one another. Why is the NCAA Manual a convoluted mess? Because they keep passing rules to stop something they don't like or to prevent something they are afraid of.

(09-09-2014 12:45 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 11:45 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 10:54 AM)Usajags Wrote:  There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.

http://bamahammer.com/2012/05/08/bear-br...-football/


Rumor has it that after the success of the Jets in Super Bowl III and the explosion in the popularity of college football, an NCAA subcomittee investigated the possibility of a college playoff around 1972. The subcommitte consisted of three, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, John McKay and a few others. The results indicated that instituting a college playoff would immediately bring in three times the money. However, Bryant pointed out that the money would have to be shared among everyone and enable minor and up and coming schools to compete with the big boys. The equalization of money would challenge the established schools. Therefore, they would do everything to hold off the playoff and increase the gap between the have and have nots. The first thing they did was realign the schools designate big boys from little boys in 1978 with Div 1A, 1AA, II and III.

This sort of worked until 1987 when actual #1 Miami played actual #2 Penn State which were both independent. The playoffs were born.

It eventually destroyed the bowl tie ends and forced the Bowl Coalition in 1992. Correspondingly, the SEC started its conference championship playoff in 1992 to ensure its champion would always be in contention to be selected for National Championship game. It has worked very well for SEC. Now the PAC 12, Big TEN, and ACC have instituted a 1st round playoff games called the Conference Championship games along with CUSA and MAC.

So now we have P5 autonomy. It is just the next line of defense in trying to maintain their dominance. Don't blame them but the all conference championship is coming. My guess is it will be the 8 highest ranked conference champions seeded in a playoff. Counting the Championship games it will be an defacto 16/20 team playoff.

16/20 >>> 10 conference champions.

It looks this will occur by 2022.

I think the FCS has the best way to determine a champion. Hopefully, FBS will adopt something similar in the future. If they are so great, why not give the G-5 champions a chance to compete. Besides the 5 slots the P-5 automatically receive, in most likelihood the P-5 would fill the remaining 6-10 slots.

Just designate 8 current Bowl games (played before Christmas) as 1st round playoff games. The eight teams remaining would play in 4 current Bowl games the week of Christmas with the four remaining teams to play in 2 New Years Day Bowl Games to decide who will play in the National Championship game two weeks later.

Example:
Opening Round Bowls:
New Orleans Bowl (Sun Belt 1 vs CUSA1)
Alamo Bowl (Pac 12 1 vs At Large)
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (MAC 1 vs MWC 1)
St Petersburg Bowl (American 1 vs At Large)
Music City Bowl (Big 1G 1 vs At Large)
Chick-fil-A Bowl (ACC 1 vs At Large)
Texas Bowl (Big 12 1 vs At Large)
Outback Bowl (SEC 1 vs At Large)

Quarter Final Bowls:
Sugar Bowl (Outback vs New Orleans)
Cotton Bowl (Texas vs Alamo)
Peach Bowl (Chick-fil-A vs Idaho Potato)
Fiesta Bowl (Music City vs St Petersburg)

Semi-Final Bowls:
Rose Bowl (Fiesta vs Peach)
Orange Bowl (Cotton vs Sugar)

National Championship game

There are two reasons I don't see a playoff extending beyond 8 teams.

1: History. When the New Year's Day bowl games decided the national championship no team ranked lower than #5 ever won the NC'

2: Logistics. It's one thing to fly a bunch of FCS teams all over the country with relatively few fans making the trips, but when you start dealing with the huge fan bases of these P5 schools I don't see it happening. Can only imagine 20,000 people trying to make plane and hotel reservations to with a few days notice. Even if games are played every two weeks it will be a nightmare.

(09-09-2014 02:35 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  There are two reasons I don't see a playoff extending beyond 8 teams.

1: History. When the New Year's Day bowl games decided the national championship no team ranked lower than #5 ever won the NC'

2: Logistics. It's one thing to fly a bunch of FCS teams all over the country with relatively few fans making the trips, but when you start dealing with the huge fan bases of these P5 schools I don't see it happening. Can only imagine 20,000 people trying to make plane and hotel reservations to with a few days notice. Even if games are played every two weeks it will be a nightmare.

It doesn't have to be that way.

Search the threads I've started about the Mother of all Playoffs.

It is a 24 team playoff where each team knows exactly where they will be playing week to week, if they win.

The bracket would be laid out weeks in advance giving people ample time to make travel plans.


Here: http://csnbbs.com/thread-667029.html

(09-09-2014 02:03 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 12:45 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 11:45 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 10:54 AM)Usajags Wrote:  There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.

http://bamahammer.com/2012/05/08/bear-br...-football/


Rumor has it that after the success of the Jets in Super Bowl III and the explosion in the popularity of college football, an NCAA subcomittee investigated the possibility of a college playoff around 1972. The subcommitte consisted of three, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, John McKay and a few others. The results indicated that instituting a college playoff would immediately bring in three times the money. However, Bryant pointed out that the money would have to be shared among everyone and enable minor and up and coming schools to compete with the big boys. The equalization of money would challenge the established schools. Therefore, they would do everything to hold off the playoff and increase the gap between the have and have nots. The first thing they did was realign the schools designate big boys from little boys in 1978 with Div 1A, 1AA, II and III.

This sort of worked until 1987 when actual #1 Miami played actual #2 Penn State which were both independent. The playoffs were born.

It eventually destroyed the bowl tie ends and forced the Bowl Coalition in 1992. Correspondingly, the SEC started its conference championship playoff in 1992 to ensure its champion would always be in contention to be selected for National Championship game. It has worked very well for SEC. Now the PAC 12, Big TEN, and ACC have instituted a 1st round playoff games called the Conference Championship games along with CUSA and MAC.

So now we have P5 autonomy. It is just the next line of defense in trying to maintain their dominance. Don't blame them but the all conference championship is coming. My guess is it will be the 8 highest ranked conference champions seeded in a playoff. Counting the Championship games it will be an defacto 16/20 team playoff.

16/20 >>> 10 conference champions.

It looks this will occur by 2022.

I think the FCS has the best way to determine a champion. Hopefully, FBS will adopt something similar in the future. If they are so great, why not give the G-5 champions a chance to compete. Besides the 5 slots the P-5 automatically receive, in most likelihood the P-5 would fill the remaining 6-10 slots.

Just designate 8 current Bowl games (played before Christmas) as 1st round playoff games. The eight teams remaining would play in 4 current Bowl games the week of Christmas with the four remaining teams to play in 2 New Years Day Bowl Games to decide who will play in the National Championship game two weeks later.

Example:
Opening Round Bowls:
New Orleans Bowl (Sun Belt 1 vs CUSA1)
Alamo Bowl (Pac 12 1 vs At Large)
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (MAC 1 vs MWC 1)
St Petersburg Bowl (American 1 vs At Large)
Music City Bowl (Big 1G 1 vs At Large)
Chick-fil-A Bowl (ACC 1 vs At Large)
Texas Bowl (Big 12 1 vs At Large)
Outback Bowl (SEC 1 vs At Large)

Quarter Final Bowls:
Sugar Bowl (Outback vs New Orleans)
Cotton Bowl (Texas vs Alamo)
Peach Bowl (Chick-fil-A vs Idaho Potato)
Fiesta Bowl (Music City vs St Petersburg)

Semi-Final Bowls:
Rose Bowl (Fiesta vs Peach)
Orange Bowl (Cotton vs Sugar)

National Championship game

I know but have been told that is "to much like right."

(09-09-2014 03:02 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 02:35 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  There are two reasons I don't see a playoff extending beyond 8 teams.

1: History. When the New Year's Day bowl games decided the national championship no team ranked lower than #5 ever won the NC'

2: Logistics. It's one thing to fly a bunch of FCS teams all over the country with relatively few fans making the trips, but when you start dealing with the huge fan bases of these P5 schools I don't see it happening. Can only imagine 20,000 people trying to make plane and hotel reservations to with a few days notice. Even if games are played every two weeks it will be a nightmare.

It doesn't have to be that way.

Search the threads I've started about the Mother of all Playoffs.

It is a 24 team playoff where each team knows exactly where they will be playing week to week, if they win.

The bracket would be laid out weeks in advance giving people ample time to make travel plans.


Here: http://csnbbs.com/thread-667029.html

You still have issues with logistics for round 2. With the winner of school A & B scheduled to play at school C, fans of A & B will book rooms and flights to C. One of the fan bases must cancel everything and that will create all kinds of havoc with the airlines and hotels.

While I'm a fan of CajunNation's plan, if I live to see a 12 or 16 team playoff I'll be surprised.

Schools like the bowls, the bowls are more fun of an experience for fans and players and for the people trying to raise money.

I think we will settle into 8 eventually. Having a major championship determined by the selections of a committee is unprecedented.

The major team sports determine their post-season soley on the regular season standings. The NCAA Tournament committee only picks a little more than half the field after the auto bids take care of nearly half and the field is so large no one outside of the teams involved loses much sleep over last team in and last team left out. Seeding usually creates more stir than a who is in debate.

You are always going to have at least five viable contenders for the four slots and most years 6 or 7 that the public thinks is legit selection candidate. So you will basically always leave out 2 or 3 teams with a defensible resume to be at least #4.

Going into the major pro sports seasons and the college basketball season everyone knows what they have to do. In the NFL you have to win your division or have the #1 or #2 best record in your conference among the teams not winning the division. In the NBA, win your division or have one of the 5 best records in your conference among teams that didn't win the division. In college basketball you either have to win your conference's automatic berth or be selected as one of the 36 at-large.

In the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, MLS you control your destiny. Win enough to meet the pre-determined criteria and you are in.

In NCAA basketball, win your conference's automatic berth (which is the conference post-season tournament unless you are in the Ivy League) or cast your fate upon something you cannot control, the thought process of the selection committee.

In the CFP every year 6 conference champions will be excluded. Many years I expect that 7 champions will be excluded and if things fall right, 8 of the ten could be excluded.

Winning your conference does not assure you playing in the CFP. Winning all of your games will not assure you a spot in the CFP. While we tend to think in terms of G5's being left out, it is possible (but not likely) that the champions of all five P5 leagues could finish the year undefeated and one will be excluded.

The selection committee has a terrible job to deal with. I suspect the committee members after a year or two will quietly start telling the powers that be that an 8 team format where they only have to fill 3 spots is a better path.

Whether the format is the 5 P5 champs and the committee choses three at-large and seeds the field or it is 5 champs, with 3 at-large and one of the three at-large is guaranteed to be a G5 champ and the committee seeds the field, it is a far less controversial task than selecting 1-4 and seeding them.

(09-09-2014 10:50 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  My long time tailgate partner and friend goes to church with the AD of a ACC school. This Saturday he told me they had a discussion about the Power Five schools and what it meant to schools like App. The AD said there are basically 5 schools - Alabama, Florida, LSU, Ohio State and Michigan - who are pushing radical change and the rest simply want to have more control over how they can spend their money. He also said there are P5 AD's with budgets in the $90 to $100 million range saying they will not be able to balance their budgets if this handful of schools get their way. I got the impression he doesn't think the other P5 schools will let these few get out of line.

How in the hell is UT-Austin not in that group?

(09-09-2014 11:36 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 11:20 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  With the Big 10 ( I can't bring myself to use the ridiculous B1G ) playing itself out of the playoff in the 2nd week,
they're probably not as keen on things today as when the season began.

You think 2-0 Penn State having their sanctions suddenly removed wasn't due to the fact that the Big 10 is suddenly on the outside looking in for the 4 team playoff with the terrible weekend? I don't. Big 10 isn't out yet now. What just happened with Penn State just further tells me certain conferences/people run everything. It will never be a fair system.

Football is a reflection of this country over past couple decades. Rich getting richer, corporations running the world, middle class shrinking, poverty increasing ...

(09-12-2014 01:28 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 11:36 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 11:20 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  With the Big 10 ( I can't bring myself to use the ridiculous B1G ) playing itself out of the playoff in the 2nd week,
they're probably not as keen on things today as when the season began.

You think 2-0 Penn State having their sanctions suddenly removed wasn't due to the fact that the Big 10 is suddenly on the outside looking in for the 4 team playoff with the terrible weekend? I don't. Big 10 isn't out yet now. What just happened with Penn State just further tells me certain conferences/people run everything. It will never be a fair system.

Football is a reflection of this country over past couple decades. Rich getting richer, corporations running the world, middle class shrinking, poverty increasing ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk

"Football is a reflection of this country over past couple decades. Rich getting richer, corporations running the world, middle class shrinking, poverty increasing ..."

Every bit courtesy of your elected officials who set government policy.

It's not the system, it's who we've put in charge.

Put the blame where it belongs......536 -vs- the rest of us.

(09-13-2014 08:37 AM)Senatobia Wrote:  "Football is a reflection of this country over past couple decades. Rich getting richer, corporations running the world, middle class shrinking, poverty increasing ..."

Every bit courtesy of your elected officials who set government policy.

It's not the system, it's who we've put in charge.

Put the blame where it belongs......536 -vs- the rest of us.

Not to go too deep here, but many of these "leaders" aren't following the documents that our country was founded on, see: The US Constitution for further inquiry.

They will expand the playoff because the power brokers of TV will want it. BUT don't expect them to invite the G5 conference winners. They will go with the highest ranked teams after the P5 conference winners and manipulate the rankings as much as possible to avoid a G5 school participating.