(09-06-2014 11:57 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  After today, I see it as follows:

1. SEC. The results speak for themselves. I'm not sure who the best team is, but I feel that it will boil down to the usual suspects: LSU, Bama, Auburn and Georgia. In addition to those teams, there's also Tennessee, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Mizzu. They are clearly the best conference from top to bottom.

2. PAC12. Southern Cal is a legit Top 5 team. The same can be said for Oregon. Arizona, Arizona State and Stanford are all really good teams.

3. B12. Oklahoma is one of the best in the nation and Baylor is not far behind. We'll learn more after next week's games and the Kansas State-Auburn matchup will be telling.

4. ACC. Florida State is the best in the land according to the rankings and are definitely a Top 5 team. VPI beat Ohio State today and UNC beat a good SDSU team. After that, the conference falls off, with the exception of a Clemson team that I can't get a read on.

5. B10. They've had a terrible week. Northwestern lost to Northern Illinois, MSU lost and Ohio State lost. Michigan got destroyed and Illinois nearly got beat by a good WKU team. Even the Golden Gophers struggled against MTSU.

6. AAC and CUSA (tied). I'm inclined to give CUSA the edge, but won't because I want to see how WKU, UTSA, Marshall and UAB fare next week. UCF, ECU and Cinci all have tough games next week and South Florida has a chance to redeem themselves against an overly confident NCSU squad.

ECU looked good against South Carolina and Memphis is playing UCLA really tough. On the other hand, SMU got destroyed by UNT, Tulane lost to a Georgia Tech team they could have beaten and South Florida snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against Maryland.

As for CUSA, Marshall hammered their opponent while MTSU, WKU put forth valiant efforts against middle-of-the-pack B10 teams. La Tech destroyed Louisiana.

8. MWC. There was nothing to cheer for today. Utah smashed Fresno State, UNLV is struggling against Northern Colorado, Hawaii is getting trounced, San Jose State got demolished and New Mexico got stomped. San Diego State and Nevada have nothing to be ashamed of.

9. MAC. Northern Illinois and Central Michigan won against B10 opponents today... but in CMU's case, Purdue is putrid. Ball State played admirably against Iowa but lost. South Alabama beat Kent State and Buffalo lost to Army.

10. The Sunbelt. Look at the scores and you'll understand. Arkansas State played admirably against Tennessee but that was the only bright spot. Louisiana got butt-kicked by La Tech.

on what planet is the AAC the best G5 conference? After 2 weeks the AAC is-

6-11 overall
1-7 vs P5
0-4 vs G5
5-0 vs FCS

seriously.

with the G5- you have to look at the individual teams....

undefeateds-
AAC- Cincy
CUSA- Marshall, UTEP(for now)
MAC- N Illinois, C Michigan
MWC- Wyoming, Colorado St(for now), Nevada
SBC- N Mexico St, La-Monroe, S Alabama, Texas St

that's it now- all of 12 teams.

(09-07-2014 12:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  with the G5- you have to look at the individual teams....

Ummmmm no you don't. Silly...........

(09-07-2014 12:30 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:57 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  After today, I see it as follows:

1. SEC. The results speak for themselves. I'm not sure who the best team is, but I feel that it will boil down to the usual suspects: LSU, Bama, Auburn and Georgia. In addition to those teams, there's also Tennessee, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Mizzu. They are clearly the best conference from top to bottom.

2. PAC12. Southern Cal is a legit Top 5 team. The same can be said for Oregon. Arizona, Arizona State and Stanford are all really good teams.

3. B12. Oklahoma is one of the best in the nation and Baylor is not far behind. We'll learn more after next week's games and the Kansas State-Auburn matchup will be telling.

4. ACC. Florida State is the best in the land according to the rankings and are definitely a Top 5 team. VPI beat Ohio State today and UNC beat a good SDSU team. After that, the conference falls off, with the exception of a Clemson team that I can't get a read on.

5. B10. They've had a terrible week. Northwestern lost to Northern Illinois, MSU lost and Ohio State lost. Michigan got destroyed and Illinois nearly got beat by a good WKU team. Even the Golden Gophers struggled against MTSU.

6. AAC and CUSA (tied). I'm inclined to give CUSA the edge, but won't because I want to see how WKU, UTSA, Marshall and UAB fare next week. UCF, ECU and Cinci all have tough games next week and South Florida has a chance to redeem themselves against an overly confident NCSU squad.

ECU looked good against South Carolina and Memphis is playing UCLA really tough. On the other hand, SMU got destroyed by UNT, Tulane lost to a Georgia Tech team they could have beaten and South Florida snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against Maryland.

As for CUSA, Marshall hammered their opponent while MTSU, WKU put forth valiant efforts against middle-of-the-pack B10 teams. La Tech destroyed Louisiana.

8. MWC. There was nothing to cheer for today. Utah smashed Fresno State, UNLV is struggling against Northern Colorado, Hawaii is getting trounced, San Jose State got demolished and New Mexico got stomped. San Diego State and Nevada have nothing to be ashamed of.

9. MAC. Northern Illinois and Central Michigan won against B10 opponents today... but in CMU's case, Purdue is putrid. Ball State played admirably against Iowa but lost. South Alabama beat Kent State and Buffalo lost to Army.

10. The Sunbelt. Look at the scores and you'll understand. Arkansas State played admirably against Tennessee but that was the only bright spot. Louisiana got butt-kicked by La Tech.

on what planet is the AAC the best G5 conference? After 2 weeks the AAC is-

6-11 overall
1-7 vs P5
0-4 vs G5
5-0 vs FCS

seriously.

I based my opinions not on just wins or losses but against whom those losses or wins come against and by how much. With all due respect, there is no team in the MAC, CUSA, MWC or Belt that looks as good as ECU or UCF. Memphis looks good as well. The jury is out on Cinci.

BTW, I count only two "G5" losses; SMU's loss to UNT today and Houston's loss to UTSA. Who are the other two? Are you counting Navy's win over Temple and BYU's win over UConn? If so, that's a mistake. BYU is independent and is not eligible for an Access slot. Navy is Indy, too until they join The American next year.

Here is the updated G5 (and non ND independents) OOC record summary through Week 2-

Through Week 2-

AAC
.352 (6-11) Overall
.000 (0-3) vs Top 25
.125 (1-7) vs P5
.000 (0-4) vs G5
1.000 (5-0) vs FCS

CUSA
.480 (12-13) Overall
.000 (0-4) vs Top 25
.000 (0-12) vs P5
1.000 (7-0) vs G5
.833 (5-1) vs FCS

MAC
.435 (10-13) Overall
.000 (0-1) vs Top 25
.200 (2-8) vs P5
.000 (0-4) vs G5
.889 (8-1) vs FCS

MWC
.450 (9-11) Overall
.000 (0-6) vs Top 25
.166 (2-10) vs P5
.000 (0-1) vs G5
1.000 (7-0) vs FCS

SBC
.600 (9-6) Overall
N/A (0-0) vs Top 25
.200 (1-4) vs P5
.333 (1-2) vs G5
1.000 (7-0) vs FCS

IND
.800 (4-1) Overall
.000 (0-1) vs Top 25
.500 (1-1) vs P5
1.00 (3-0) vs G5
N/A (0-0) vs FCS

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My conference rankings are as follows-

1. CUSA
2. SBC
3. MWC
4. MAC
5. AAC
t-10. P5

(09-07-2014 01:36 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:30 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:57 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  After today, I see it as follows:

1. SEC. The results speak for themselves. I'm not sure who the best team is, but I feel that it will boil down to the usual suspects: LSU, Bama, Auburn and Georgia. In addition to those teams, there's also Tennessee, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Mizzu. They are clearly the best conference from top to bottom.

2. PAC12. Southern Cal is a legit Top 5 team. The same can be said for Oregon. Arizona, Arizona State and Stanford are all really good teams.

3. B12. Oklahoma is one of the best in the nation and Baylor is not far behind. We'll learn more after next week's games and the Kansas State-Auburn matchup will be telling.

4. ACC. Florida State is the best in the land according to the rankings and are definitely a Top 5 team. VPI beat Ohio State today and UNC beat a good SDSU team. After that, the conference falls off, with the exception of a Clemson team that I can't get a read on.

5. B10. They've had a terrible week. Northwestern lost to Northern Illinois, MSU lost and Ohio State lost. Michigan got destroyed and Illinois nearly got beat by a good WKU team. Even the Golden Gophers struggled against MTSU.

6. AAC and CUSA (tied). I'm inclined to give CUSA the edge, but won't because I want to see how WKU, UTSA, Marshall and UAB fare next week. UCF, ECU and Cinci all have tough games next week and South Florida has a chance to redeem themselves against an overly confident NCSU squad.

ECU looked good against South Carolina and Memphis is playing UCLA really tough. On the other hand, SMU got destroyed by UNT, Tulane lost to a Georgia Tech team they could have beaten and South Florida snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against Maryland.

As for CUSA, Marshall hammered their opponent while MTSU, WKU put forth valiant efforts against middle-of-the-pack B10 teams. La Tech destroyed Louisiana.

8. MWC. There was nothing to cheer for today. Utah smashed Fresno State, UNLV is struggling against Northern Colorado, Hawaii is getting trounced, San Jose State got demolished and New Mexico got stomped. San Diego State and Nevada have nothing to be ashamed of.

9. MAC. Northern Illinois and Central Michigan won against B10 opponents today... but in CMU's case, Purdue is putrid. Ball State played admirably against Iowa but lost. South Alabama beat Kent State and Buffalo lost to Army.

10. The Sunbelt. Look at the scores and you'll understand. Arkansas State played admirably against Tennessee but that was the only bright spot. Louisiana got butt-kicked by La Tech.

on what planet is the AAC the best G5 conference? After 2 weeks the AAC is-

6-11 overall
1-7 vs P5
0-4 vs G5
5-0 vs FCS

seriously.

I based my opinions not on just wins or losses but against whom those losses or wins come against and by how much. With all due respect, there is no team in the MAC, CUSA, MWC or Belt that looks as good as ECU or UCF. Memphis looks good as well. The jury is out on Cinci.

BTW, I count only two "G5" losses; SMU's loss to UNT today and Houston's loss to UTSA. Who are the other two? Are you counting Navy's win over Temple and BYU's win over UConn? If so, that's a mistake. BYU is independent and is not eligible for an Access slot. Navy is Indy, too until they join The American next year.

I count Navy, BYU and Army as G5 teams for the purpose of this format because they are neither P5 nor FCS, and because its easier than saying non-P5 FBS teams. AAC is 0-4 vs non-P5 FBS teams, CUSA is 7-0. You can't argue style points against that, no matter how badly you want UCF and your team to be seen as the two best. Bottom line is that 2 weeks into the season the AAC has 1 FBS win over a Vanderbilt team that looks like it will struggle to win a game all season, and that's it.

(09-07-2014 01:36 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  With all due respect, there is no team in the MAC, CUSA, MWC or Belt that looks as good as ECU or UCF. Memphis looks good as well.

I think UTSA looks every bit as good as ECU and UCF. And honestly, WKU, MT, and UAB has all looked good so far. And Marshall has taking care of business and UNT and UTEP looks good so it is obvious you're showing your bias. But that's cool...lol.

AAC is a complete and total dumpster fire of a conference.

(09-07-2014 12:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  with the G5- you have to look at the individual teams....

undefeateds-
AAC- Cincy
CUSA- Marshall, UTEP(for now)
MAC- N Illinois, C Michigan
MWC- Wyoming, Colorado St(for now), Nevada
SBC- N Mexico St, La-Monroe, S Alabama, Texas St

that's it now- all of 12 teams.

I've got a feeling that Northern Illinois is on its way to picking up the autobid. If they can get past Arkansas it should be smooth sailing from that point on.

(09-07-2014 01:36 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:30 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:57 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  After today, I see it as follows:

1. SEC. The results speak for themselves. I'm not sure who the best team is, but I feel that it will boil down to the usual suspects: LSU, Bama, Auburn and Georgia. In addition to those teams, there's also Tennessee, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Mizzu. They are clearly the best conference from top to bottom.

2. PAC12. Southern Cal is a legit Top 5 team. The same can be said for Oregon. Arizona, Arizona State and Stanford are all really good teams.

3. B12. Oklahoma is one of the best in the nation and Baylor is not far behind. We'll learn more after next week's games and the Kansas State-Auburn matchup will be telling.

4. ACC. Florida State is the best in the land according to the rankings and are definitely a Top 5 team. VPI beat Ohio State today and UNC beat a good SDSU team. After that, the conference falls off, with the exception of a Clemson team that I can't get a read on.

5. B10. They've had a terrible week. Northwestern lost to Northern Illinois, MSU lost and Ohio State lost. Michigan got destroyed and Illinois nearly got beat by a good WKU team. Even the Golden Gophers struggled against MTSU.

6. AAC and CUSA (tied). I'm inclined to give CUSA the edge, but won't because I want to see how WKU, UTSA, Marshall and UAB fare next week. UCF, ECU and Cinci all have tough games next week and South Florida has a chance to redeem themselves against an overly confident NCSU squad.

ECU looked good against South Carolina and Memphis is playing UCLA really tough. On the other hand, SMU got destroyed by UNT, Tulane lost to a Georgia Tech team they could have beaten and South Florida snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against Maryland.

As for CUSA, Marshall hammered their opponent while MTSU, WKU put forth valiant efforts against middle-of-the-pack B10 teams. La Tech destroyed Louisiana.

8. MWC. There was nothing to cheer for today. Utah smashed Fresno State, UNLV is struggling against Northern Colorado, Hawaii is getting trounced, San Jose State got demolished and New Mexico got stomped. San Diego State and Nevada have nothing to be ashamed of.

9. MAC. Northern Illinois and Central Michigan won against B10 opponents today... but in CMU's case, Purdue is putrid. Ball State played admirably against Iowa but lost. South Alabama beat Kent State and Buffalo lost to Army.

10. The Sunbelt. Look at the scores and you'll understand. Arkansas State played admirably against Tennessee but that was the only bright spot. Louisiana got butt-kicked by La Tech.

on what planet is the AAC the best G5 conference? After 2 weeks the AAC is-

6-11 overall
1-7 vs P5
0-4 vs G5
5-0 vs FCS

seriously.

I based my opinions not on just wins or losses but against whom those losses or wins come against and by how much. With all due respect, there is no team in the MAC, CUSA, MWC or Belt that looks as good as ECU or UCF. Memphis looks good as well. The jury is out on Cinci.

BTW, I count only two "G5" losses; SMU's loss to UNT today and Houston's loss to UTSA. Who are the other two? Are you counting Navy's win over Temple and BYU's win over UConn? If so, that's a mistake. BYU is independent and is not eligible for an Access slot. Navy is Indy, too until they join The American next year.

You're still drinking the AAC koolaid? I'm sure your opinion has nothing to do with being an ECU fan. I mean, no bias on your part, right? Funny stuff.

It's only been two weeks, people. Besides, there are a few G5 schools that intentionally went "hard" on the schedule and will not have a good record because of it.

It's easy to cook up a 7-5 or 8-4 record if you just dumb down the schedule.

(09-06-2014 11:57 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  After today, I see it as follows:

1. SEC. The results speak for themselves. I'm not sure who the best team is, but I feel that it will boil down to the usual suspects: LSU, Bama, Auburn and Georgia. In addition to those teams, there's also Tennessee, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Mizzu. They are clearly the best conference from top to bottom.

2. PAC12. Southern Cal is a legit Top 5 team. The same can be said for Oregon. Arizona, Arizona State and Stanford are all really good teams.

3. B12. Oklahoma is one of the best in the nation and Baylor is not far behind. We'll learn more after next week's games and the Kansas State-Auburn matchup will be telling.

4. ACC. Florida State is the best in the land according to the rankings and are definitely a Top 5 team. VPI beat Ohio State today and UNC beat a good SDSU team. After that, the conference falls off, with the exception of a Clemson team that I can't get a read on.

5. B10. They've had a terrible week. Northwestern lost to Northern Illinois, MSU lost and Ohio State lost. Michigan got destroyed and Illinois nearly got beat by a good WKU team. Even the Golden Gophers struggled against MTSU.

6. AAC and CUSA (tied). I'm inclined to give CUSA the edge, but won't because I want to see how WKU, UTSA, Marshall and UAB fare next week. UCF, ECU and Cinci all have tough games next week and South Florida has a chance to redeem themselves against an overly confident NCSU squad.

ECU looked good against South Carolina and Memphis is playing UCLA really tough. On the other hand, SMU got destroyed by UNT, Tulane lost to a Georgia Tech team they could have beaten and South Florida snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against Maryland.

As for CUSA, Marshall hammered their opponent while MTSU, WKU put forth valiant efforts against middle-of-the-pack B10 teams. La Tech destroyed Louisiana.

8. MWC. There was nothing to cheer for today. Utah smashed Fresno State, UNLV is struggling against Northern Colorado, Hawaii is getting trounced, San Jose State got demolished and New Mexico got stomped. San Diego State and Nevada have nothing to be ashamed of.

9. MAC. Northern Illinois and Central Michigan won against B10 opponents today... but in CMU's case, Purdue is putrid. Ball State played admirably against Iowa but lost. South Alabama beat Kent State and Buffalo lost to Army.

10. The Sunbelt. Look at the scores and you'll understand. Arkansas State played admirably against Tennessee but that was the only bright spot. Louisiana got butt-kicked by La Tech.

And for this I give you the "Homer of the Week Award". I know the AAC has some homers that believe they are really a P5, but no logical person believes the AAC is playing as well as C-USA in the OOC. Your biased opinion is completely based on what you hope some of the AAC teams will do in the coming weeks, not on what has actually happened. C-USA has beaten every G5 program in the OOC so far, and took several P5 programs to the wire this weekend. There is no tie for 6th. In fact the AAC probably deserves to be behind the MWC.

(09-07-2014 10:03 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  And for this I give you the "Homer of the Week Award". I know the AAC has some homers that believe they are really a P5, but no logical person believes the AAC is playing as well as C-USA in the OOC. Your biased opinion is completely based on what you hope some of the AAC teams will do in the coming weeks, not on what has actually happened. C-USA has beaten every G5 program in the OOC so far, and took several P5 programs to the wire this weekend. There is no tie for 6th. In fact the AAC probably deserves to be behind the MWC.

No kidding. AAC is now like 1-11 against FBS opponents, and C-USA is 7-0 against the G-5 with the wins including Houston, Louisiana Lafayette, Bowling Green and New Mexico.

Reminds me of when Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, Memphis, UCF, and ECU were all part of C-USA. On paper that sure looked good. On Scoreboard we got kicked around by the Sunbelt and wondered why the conference got no respect.

(09-07-2014 08:15 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  with the G5- you have to look at the individual teams....

undefeateds-
AAC- Cincy
CUSA- Marshall, UTEP(for now)
MAC- N Illinois, C Michigan
MWC- Wyoming, Colorado St(for now), Nevada
SBC- N Mexico St, La-Monroe, S Alabama, Texas St

that's it now- all of 12 teams.

I've got a feeling that Northern Illinois is on its way to picking up the autobid. If they can get past Arkansas it should be smooth sailing from that point on.

@ Ball State has a good chance of being a roadblock for them

(09-07-2014 11:02 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:03 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  And for this I give you the "Homer of the Week Award". I know the AAC has some homers that believe they are really a P5, but no logical person believes the AAC is playing as well as C-USA in the OOC. Your biased opinion is completely based on what you hope some of the AAC teams will do in the coming weeks, not on what has actually happened. C-USA has beaten every G5 program in the OOC so far, and took several P5 programs to the wire this weekend. There is no tie for 6th. In fact the AAC probably deserves to be behind the MWC.

No kidding. AAC is now like 1-11 against FBS opponents

You conveniently left off the little fact that the 9 of the 11 were against Penn State, South Carolina, UCLA, Maryland, Baylor, Georgia Tech, Navy, Oklahoma and BYU.

I guess that did not fit your bull narrative. No doubt CUSA would have won those 8 games though; oh wait but CUSA couldn't even handle light weight P5 schools like Illinois, Minnesota or pathetic North Carolina State; or middle weight programs like, Texas Tech, Arizona and Mississippi State.

Once again I'm not being biased. If it makes y'all feel better to say it, that's fine.

Look at things this way: all I am saying is that quality of wins and losses matters. Houston's loss against UTSA is the only shocker so far. SMU is horrible, just like we knew they would be. In addition, I don't put BYU and Navy into this debate because they are not, in fact, in a conference. It's really that simple.

I could go look at all of the "G5" wins on a conference to conference basis but I'm too lazy to do so. Someone else do it. I will bet you this: the OOC losses by the MAC, MWC and Sunbelt look much, much worse on paper when compared to the losses from CUSA or the AAC. As for the CUSA vs. AAC debate, I would say this: no team from either conference has a marquee win. UTSA beating Houston -while surprising at the time- means nothing until we have more data to draw upon; Houston might be bad (I think that they are bad) or they might be good. The UTSA victory and it's impact will be better understood as the season progresses.

Like I said, we'll have a much better idea of where things stand after next week. Memphis plays MTSU (in two weeks), Marshall hosts Ohio, WKU travels to Navy (which is good because Navy beat Temple this week and we'll get a common-opponent comparison) and Cinci hosts Toledo.

UConn plays host to Boise State. Boise is definitely a Top 2 MWC team and UConn is definitely a Bottom 3 team in the AAC. Boise is really in a no-win situation here; if they win big, it does nothing in the grand scheme of things. If they lose or if the game is tight, it might affect the rankings. I would compare this game to the UNT vs. SMU games in that one team is heavily favored and should win the majority of the time.

(09-07-2014 11:25 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  You conveniently left off the little fact that the 9 of the 11 were against Penn State, South Carolina, UCLA, Maryland, Baylor, Georgia Tech, Navy, Oklahoma and BYU.

I guess that did not fit your bull narrative. No doubt CUSA would have won those 8 games though; oh wait but CUSA couldn't even handle light weight P5 schools like Illinois, Minnesota or pathetic North Carolina State; or middle weight programs like, Texas Tech, Arizona and Mississippi State.

Navy is still G5, and I would put Penn State, Maryland and Georgia tech in that middle weight category. But whatever floats your boat. C-USA has put up with a year of degrading comments from several ECU fans. We are enjoying this season, and expect the results to show up later in conference power rankings.

(09-07-2014 11:33 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  As for the CUSA vs. AAC debate, I would say this: no team from either conference has a marquee win.

What about the Louisiana Tech win at ULL? Our Bulldogs were expected to struggle to get to 6 total wins, but they won convincingly on the road against a Sunbelt favorite who beat AAC teams (ECU and Tulane) in the last two New Orleans bowls.

I also give Temple credit for getting it done over a weak P5 opponent.

(09-07-2014 11:37 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:25 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  You conveniently left off the little fact that the 9 of the 11 were against Penn State, South Carolina, UCLA, Maryland, Baylor, Georgia Tech, Navy, Oklahoma and BYU.

I guess that did not fit your bull narrative. No doubt CUSA would have won those 8 games though; oh wait but CUSA couldn't even handle light weight P5 schools like Illinois, Minnesota or pathetic North Carolina State; or middle weight programs like, Texas Tech, Arizona and Mississippi State.

Navy is still G5, and I would put Penn State, Maryland and Georgia tech in that middle weight category. But whatever floats your boat. C-USA has put up with a year of degrading comments from several ECU fans. We are enjoying this season, and expect the results to show up later in conference power rankings.

I am stubborn only about one issue: BYU, Navy and Army are not G5 teams in the same way that Notre Dame is not a P5 team; all are independents. Notre Dame might be able to be defined as such due to their arrangement with the ACC, I'll grant you that.

As for what other ECU fans have said, I have no control over that.

I just thought of this: look at the Saragin rankings. Through September 6th, they are as follows:

CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 86.26 84.95 ( 1) 7 85.28 ( 1)
2 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 79.85 78.62 ( 2) 6 79.45 ( 2)
3 SEC-EAST (A) = 78.57 78.57 ( 3) 7 78.71 ( 3)
4 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 77.79 77.74 ( 5) 7 77.92 ( 4)
5 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 77.40 78.01 ( 4) 6 77.52 ( 5)
6 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 76.85 76.89 ( 7) 4 76.88 ( 6)
7 BIG 12 (A) = 76.72 77.06 ( 6) 10 76.82 ( 7)
8 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 76.37 76.26 ( 8) 7 76.30 ( 8)
9 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 74.67 73.96 ( 9) 7 74.21 ( 9)
10 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 70.63 70.55 ( 10) 7 70.80 ( 10)
11 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 63.69 63.45 ( 13) 10 63.53 ( 13)
12 AMERICAN ATHLETIC (A) = 63.65 64.62 ( 11) 11 64.09 ( 11)
13 MWC-WEST (A) = 63.60 64.03 ( 12) 6 63.86 ( 12)
14 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 61.61 61.18 ( 15) 6 61.37 ( 15)
15 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 61.57 61.40 ( 14) 6 61.46 ( 14)
16 MAC-WEST (A) = 61.17 61.16 ( 16) 6 61.14 ( 16)
17 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 59.63 60.11 ( 17) 7 59.96 ( 17)
18 SUN BELT (A) = 58.34 58.08 ( 18) 11 58.17 ( 18)
19 MAC-EAST (A) = 57.60 57.04 ( 19) 7 57.30 ( 19)

(09-07-2014 11:44 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:33 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  As for the CUSA vs. AAC debate, I would say this: no team from either conference has a marquee win.

What about the Louisiana Tech win at ULL? Our Bulldogs were expected to struggle to get to 6 total wins, but they won convincingly on the road against a Sunbelt favorite who beat AAC teams (ECU and Tulane) in the last two New Orleans bowls.

I also give Temple credit for getting it done over a weak P5 opponent.

What happened in previous years has no impact on this poll. Why should it? The ECU loss was two year's ago and Tulane's was last year.