From their conference schedule Maryland should/could beat South Florida, Syracuse, and Indiana. The rest of the schedule is going to be tough. Link.... http://espn.go.com/college-football/team...-terrapins

(08-30-2014 10:53 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 10:09 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 10:02 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  We got creamed 45-10 by West Virginia in 2004. Did that mean much by the end of the season? Plenty for this team to work on but not ready to throw the towel in. Hopefully better play and a better outcome next week. Maryland was better than I thought they would be.

Stop referencing that game. JMU went toe to toe with that WVU team.


Today was a polar opposite. To say anything else is ignorant.

Against WV in 2004, statistically JMU played well, especially on defense and stopping the WV running game (I was at the game.....only JMU score was by the defense....a fumble return late in the game). The 2004 team was a better team than the current version but losing by 35 points is not necessarily going "toe to toe". I am not comparing the two games, merly pointing out the 35 point loss to WV in the Championship year.

Yep the week before Harris rushed for like 300 yards , we were 0-0 after first quarter. But "score" wise the end result was similar.

Decidedly underwhelmed.

We can't tackle. Anyone. How many "he bounces outside for..." were there? When you hear that garbage, it's cause he was stopped and no one decided to actually tackle the guy.

Undisciplined. How many punts did we screw up early? Those are essentially turnovers.

This was a carnival of errors and I'd call it the same if Lombardi himself put on this sideshow. Decidely underwhelmed, guess I'll leave it at that for now. Shoot.

Listening to an old Randy Travis song right now, "I told you so, I told you so."

(08-30-2014 09:51 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 09:48 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  -Withers had them completely unprepared at the start of the game. In the 1st 5 minutes of the game alone 6 penalties for 70 yds, including four 15 yarders. Interfering with the punt returner should never happen, but to happen twice in a row is unbelievable and absolutely inexcusable.
-Lee looked way over hyped. Poor passing, and didn't seem to be much of a runner.
-The OL struggled to pass block.
-The OL struggled to run block.
-The DL got shoved all over the place.
-The LBs looked absolutely lost.
-The secondary wasn't too bad, except for getting burned for a long bomb TD and 2 pass interference calls.
-The only 2 things I saw that were good was the punting and all the attractive co-eds in the stands.

Did I miss anything?

Your love for Mickey and random stats?

Your right on all of the above, btw

-The tackling was atrocious- how could I forget that one..
-The 3 turnovers.
-The 100+ Yds in penalties.

(08-31-2014 01:24 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Decidedly underwhelmed.

We can't tackle. Anyone. How many "he bounces outside for..." were there? When you hear that garbage, it's cause he was stopped and no one decided to actually tackle the guy.

Undisciplined. How many punts did we screw up early? Those are essentially turnovers.

This was a carnival of errors and I'd call it the same if Lombardi himself put on this sideshow. Decidely underwhelmed, guess I'll leave it at that for now. Shoot.

I agree 100%, Dunk, but you can't say that. It isn't Kool-Aid friendly.

we can dissect every aspect of the team from yesterday, but the reality is that in 2014 you are only as good as your QB. If Lee does not perform better, we are in for a long year.

when JMU has been at its best, we've had a good QB. the last 5+ years, we have not. And that's why we've been average to poor. Birdsong could sling it with the best of them. But he was a poor decision maker and that cost us too often.

I had concerns about Lee's throwing when he transferred in. Option offense or not, a sub 50 completion percentage was cause for alarm. Nothing he did yesterday shows that he has improved his accuracy.

It was more than just Maryland being bigger/faster/stronger. Lee missed a lot of throws. a lot. that is a major cause for concern. If he insists on being a pocket passer and will not use his legs as a weapon (RGIII anyone?), then we are in big, big trouble.

Lee can only be effective, and therefore, JMU can only be effective, if Lee is willing to run and be a threat to run. Not just keeping the ball on read options more but on using his legs in the passing game instead of making ill advised and poor throws. He's lucky he didn't have more INT's yesterday. it appeared quite clear to me, Lee was insistent on becoming a traditional pocket passer instead of playing more to his strengths.

(08-30-2014 11:29 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 11:18 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Does this count as the first fire withers thread? I came on here for the first time tonight hoping there would be one and there isn't. What a disappointment.
You people are slacking. He couldn't beat a bcs program in his first game ever. He's basically worthless.

No, he couldn't prepare a team to compete and keep from getting absolutely embarrassed by a mediocre BCS program in his 1st game at JMU..

Bingo

How can we talk about a move to FBS after this horrible outing? I'm depressed ...

Why is everyone jumping on lee and few are acknowledging the poor o line performance that had pressure in the QB's face on virtually every play.
The o line looked just like last years... Easily pushed around and controlled.

Big 10 vs I-AA this weekend: from closet to biggest blowout:
Iowa 31, UNI 23
Illinois 28, YSU 17
Indiana 28, Indiana State 10
Minneosta 42, E Ill 20
Mich State 45, JSU 7
MD 52, JMU 7

(08-31-2014 08:17 AM)FreshDad Wrote:  How can we talk about a move to FBS after this horrible outing? I'm depressed ...

Georgia State is FBS. Just sayin'.

2013 UMD games with large margin of victory:
FIU - 43-10
ODU - 47-10
WVU - 37-0


If given the opportunity to do so, they will run the score up. Neither team made an effort to milk game clock prior to the 4th quarter. Mickey, in a game like this, would've tried to milk clock and just end the game as soon as possible. This led to more scoring opportunities for UMD, and they took them.
Sagarin had UMD as 59th in the nation for week 1. I would expect JMU to lose to a top 60 program 99 times out of 100. This doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It's ugly, but far from unrealistic. I knew a blowout was far more likely than a competitive game.

(08-31-2014 08:28 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Why is everyone jumping on lee and few are acknowledging the poor o line performance that had pressure in the QB's face on virtually every play.
The o line looked just like last years... Easily pushed around and controlled.

I didn't think the o line was horrible at first look but I'll go back and watch the game again. I thought Vad had chances to step up in the pocket and was just inaccurate on many of his throws. He has a tendency to be high with his throwing motion which he was yesterday.

The other thing I noticed was that our receivers just weren't open and that will make a QB look bad. If you were at the game and able to see down the field, it wasn't like Vad had a lot of open targets to hit. The other strange thing was that a few times he scrambled and nobody moved. They just quit on their routes. That needs to be corrected. You have to keep moving and give your QB the ability to improvise when he's under pressure like that.

Some of you seem to have been just waiting for this. It was an embarrassing showing, but getting blown out by decent P5 teams is pretty normal for FCS schools.

(08-31-2014 10:02 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 08:28 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Why is everyone jumping on lee and few are acknowledging the poor o line performance that had pressure in the QB's face on virtually every play.
The o line looked just like last years... Easily pushed around and controlled.

I didn't think the o line was horrible at first look but I'll go back and watch the game again. I thought Vad had chances to step up in the pocket and was just inaccurate on many of his throws. He has a tendency to be high with his throwing motion which he was yesterday.

The other thing I noticed was that our receivers just weren't open and that will make a QB look bad. If you were at the game and able to see down the field, it wasn't like Vad had a lot of open targets to hit. The other strange thing was that a few times he scrambled and nobody moved. They just quit on their routes. That needs to be corrected. You have to keep moving and give your QB the ability to improvise when he's under pressure like that.

Yes, this. You're correct. Vad wasn't superman, but neither was the o-line or the receivers. The receivers were never open on most plays, then vad over threw on some when they were.
Give credit to maryland, they're a better team than I expected and I don't think their 59th rank in sagarin does them justice. Despite others claims to say "they're not that good, we're just that bad". nope. they really were that good.
When you have a QB who can evade 3 tackles and run 10-15 yards for a TD, give the man credit. he made a play.

Guys, anyone who thought we were going to hit the ground running was dreaming. So many new players, new system, coaches etc equals what you saw yesterday. I'm not saying Withers is going to be great, but for the love of God give the man some time. We were sloppy, but the issues I saw yesterday can be fixed.

Just an FYI: ODU got killed by them last year.

Delaware lost 62-0. Towson lost to CCSU. New Hampshire got destroyed. Stony Brook lost to Bryant. The conference is going to be wide open this year. We correct our mistakes and we will be in the hunt.

Why are some you even fans of JMU anymore? The level of negativity is beyond what I ever thought was possible. Anyone who defended Mickey was a "Koolaid drinker." Anyone who says it's too early to judge Withers is a "Koolaid Drinker." So I must ask...What can a fan say without being a "Koolaid drinker?"

Look I am a fan. I will criticize the program when I think it is warrented. However, I will always try to see things from an optimistic point of view. Why? Because it is makes being a fan more enjoyable. At the end of the day, football is entertainment and an escape. Just dwelling on every negative issue just sucks the enjoyment out of it. If choosing to look at things from a more positive pojnt of view makes me a "Koolaid drinker" than so be it.

Not giving up, just disappointed overall by the mental mistakes. I just never, ever can't be over reactive when losing 52-7 and being so sloppy. That's not where the program should be at any point. I was also shocked to see that Delaware lost 62-0. It doesn't really make me feel any better but at least we're not the only one.

(08-30-2014 10:09 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 10:02 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  We got creamed 45-10 by West Virginia in 2004. Did that mean much by the end of the season? Plenty for this team to work on but not ready to throw the towel in. Hopefully better play and a better outcome next week. Maryland was better than I thought they would be.

Stop referencing that game. JMU went toe to toe with that WVU team.


Today was a polar opposite. To say anything else is ignorant.

Back at you!