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RE: Texas AD comments regarding autonomy........
Always thought the Big12 was a great conference and didn't realize how unstable it really was/is. Most current G5's could only dream of being in that conference. I remember when it almost did fall apart, but some last minute deals kept it together. Would UT go the ND route? Where would OU go (SEC, PAC?). I could see ACC or Big10 wanting KU for B-ball. The rest would left in limbo trying to save the conference and it's P5 status. Could the P5 turn into the P4 and then they would pull further away and keep the playoff at 4 teams (Champ of each conference) with each conference having a CCG.

Then you have the G5+1. the Big12 would still be a huge conference for the others to compete against, but eventually the P5 money would fade away. it is an interesting scenario, but very unlikely to happen (at least in any way we can predict). I would like to see the big12 turn into a G6 and then those conferences realign for better travel and rivalries. Could have our own 8 team playoff, but then it would be the new FCS and the current FCS would really be D2. Uggh. Why can't we just play the game and let players decide who is best and not set artificial boundaries.
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The Big 12 isn't going anywhere. More hoping than anything.
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(08-13-2014 01:52 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The Big 12 isn't going anywhere. More hoping than anything.

I think that you are more likely to be right than wrong, by a long shot.

Still, we are speaking hypothetically. Hypothetically, if Texas were to leave, or worse if Texas and OU were to leave, the Big 12 would no longer be the conference that it is. The Big 12's presence and stature would cease to exist.
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RE: Texas AD comments regarding autonomy........
(08-13-2014 02:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 01:52 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The Big 12 isn't going anywhere. More hoping than anything.

I think that you are more likely to be right than wrong, by a long shot.

Still, we are speaking hypothetically. Hypothetically, if Texas were to leave, or worse if Texas and OU were to leave, the Big 12 would no longer be the conference that it is. The Big 12's presence and stature would cease to exist.

If Texas and OU left the Big 12 then the Big 12 would either gobble up the AAC, merge with the AAC and keep the Big 12 name, or pick the best replacements from the G5 leagues in an effort to stay afloat and relevant.
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RE: Texas AD comments regarding autonomy........
(08-13-2014 02:18 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 02:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 01:52 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The Big 12 isn't going anywhere. More hoping than anything.

I think that you are more likely to be right than wrong, by a long shot.

Still, we are speaking hypothetically. Hypothetically, if Texas were to leave, or worse if Texas and OU were to leave, the Big 12 would no longer be the conference that it is. The Big 12's presence and stature would cease to exist.

If Texas and OU left the Big 12 then the Big 12 would either gobble up the AAC, merge with the AAC and keep the Big 12 name, or pick the best replacements from the G5 leagues in an effort to stay afloat and relevant.

Do you think there is enough quality in potential G5 teams to even begin to make up for Texas and OU leaving?

Personally, I don't think ECU, Houston, or UCF can close the gap sufficiently for the new Big 12 to retain its position.

If LA Tech was willing to join it just might...05-stirthepot
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(08-13-2014 04:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 02:18 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 02:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 01:52 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The Big 12 isn't going anywhere. More hoping than anything.

I think that you are more likely to be right than wrong, by a long shot.

Still, we are speaking hypothetically. Hypothetically, if Texas were to leave, or worse if Texas and OU were to leave, the Big 12 would no longer be the conference that it is. The Big 12's presence and stature would cease to exist.

If Texas and OU left the Big 12 then the Big 12 would either gobble up the AAC, merge with the AAC and keep the Big 12 name, or pick the best replacements from the G5 leagues in an effort to stay afloat and relevant.

Do you think there is enough quality in potential G5 teams to even begin to make up for Texas and OU leaving?

Personally, I don't think ECU, Houston, or UCF can close the gap sufficiently for the new Big 12 to retain its position.

If LA Tech was willing to join it just might...05-stirthepot

The choice would be Houston, UTSA, UCF, USF, Boise State. OU can't leave without OSU.
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The OU/OSU tie is a myth. It's been harped on endlessly elsewhere.
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Still, even if you say OU/OSU and Texas leave the rest of the conference is still just as dead.
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(08-13-2014 04:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Still, even if you say OU/OSU and Texas leave the rest of the conference is still just as dead.

That is another reason there will not be a P4. They solved the Utah problem but would now have added Iowa, Kansas and West Virginia to the list of Senators who would be aggravated. Plus Baylor and TCU are very powerful lobby in Texas. Not to mention pissed off Texas Tech folks.
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(08-13-2014 04:44 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Still, even if you say OU/OSU and Texas leave the rest of the conference is still just as dead.

That is another reason there will not be a P4. They solved the Utah problem but would now have added Iowa, Kansas and West Virginia to the list of Senators who would be aggravated. Plus Baylor and TCU are very powerful lobby in Texas. Not to mention pissed off Texas Tech folks.

I think the Baylor folks would like to agree with you but the only reason they didn't get left out with Houston and SMU years ago was only because the governor at the time was a Baylor alum. That is the extent of their influence.

I tend to disagree and think that a move by Texas, which I think is highly unlikely because they like having a pet conference to dominate, would ensure a P4 and would then serve to even further ensure no expansion of the playoff.
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(08-13-2014 04:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:44 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Still, even if you say OU/OSU and Texas leave the rest of the conference is still just as dead.

That is another reason there will not be a P4. They solved the Utah problem but would now have added Iowa, Kansas and West Virginia to the list of Senators who would be aggravated. Plus Baylor and TCU are very powerful lobby in Texas. Not to mention pissed off Texas Tech folks.

I think the Baylor folks would like to agree with you but the only reason they didn't get left out with Houston and SMU years ago was only because the governor at the time was a Baylor alum. That is the extent of their influence.

I tend to disagree and think that a move by Texas, which I think is highly unlikely because they like having a pet conference to dominate, would ensure a P4 and would then serve to even further ensure no expansion of the playoff.

Then you still have the problem of having the majority of the schools in Texas and Florida not being able to play for the National Championship. That is a lot of political pressure on Governors and Senators to do something.
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(08-13-2014 04:58 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:44 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Still, even if you say OU/OSU and Texas leave the rest of the conference is still just as dead.

That is another reason there will not be a P4. They solved the Utah problem but would now have added Iowa, Kansas and West Virginia to the list of Senators who would be aggravated. Plus Baylor and TCU are very powerful lobby in Texas. Not to mention pissed off Texas Tech folks.

I think the Baylor folks would like to agree with you but the only reason they didn't get left out with Houston and SMU years ago was only because the governor at the time was a Baylor alum. That is the extent of their influence.

I tend to disagree and think that a move by Texas, which I think is highly unlikely because they like having a pet conference to dominate, would ensure a P4 and would then serve to even further ensure no expansion of the playoff.

Then you still have the problem of having the majority of the schools in Texas and Florida not being able to play for the National Championship. That is a lot of political pressure on Governors and Senators to do something.

The people who run those states see that as a good thing.
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(08-13-2014 05:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:58 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:44 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Still, even if you say OU/OSU and Texas leave the rest of the conference is still just as dead.

That is another reason there will not be a P4. They solved the Utah problem but would now have added Iowa, Kansas and West Virginia to the list of Senators who would be aggravated. Plus Baylor and TCU are very powerful lobby in Texas. Not to mention pissed off Texas Tech folks.

I think the Baylor folks would like to agree with you but the only reason they didn't get left out with Houston and SMU years ago was only because the governor at the time was a Baylor alum. That is the extent of their influence.

I tend to disagree and think that a move by Texas, which I think is highly unlikely because they like having a pet conference to dominate, would ensure a P4 and would then serve to even further ensure no expansion of the playoff.

Then you still have the problem of having the majority of the schools in Texas and Florida not being able to play for the National Championship. That is a lot of political pressure on Governors and Senators to do something.

The people who run those states see that as a good thing.
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(08-13-2014 02:18 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 02:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 01:52 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The Big 12 isn't going anywhere. More hoping than anything.

I think that you are more likely to be right than wrong, by a long shot.

Still, we are speaking hypothetically. Hypothetically, if Texas were to leave, or worse if Texas and OU were to leave, the Big 12 would no longer be the conference that it is. The Big 12's presence and stature would cease to exist.

If Texas and OU left the Big 12 then the Big 12 would either gobble up the AAC, merge with the AAC and keep the Big 12 name, or pick the best replacements from the G5 leagues in an effort to stay afloat and relevant.

I could see texas leaving, but I dont think ou goes anywhere without osu..I think texas would not mind being an indy like notre dame. then every game would be some kind of marquee matchup. I dont know who the big12 would bring in to replace them, but having 2 church schools already, they might recruit byu. I dont think there are any aac schools that the big12 consider peers unless maybe the basketball schools make a push for cincy.
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(08-13-2014 04:58 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:44 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Still, even if you say OU/OSU and Texas leave the rest of the conference is still just as dead.

That is another reason there will not be a P4. They solved the Utah problem but would now have added Iowa, Kansas and West Virginia to the list of Senators who would be aggravated. Plus Baylor and TCU are very powerful lobby in Texas. Not to mention pissed off Texas Tech folks.

I think the Baylor folks would like to agree with you but the only reason they didn't get left out with Houston and SMU years ago was only because the governor at the time was a Baylor alum. That is the extent of their influence.

I tend to disagree and think that a move by Texas, which I think is highly unlikely because they like having a pet conference to dominate, would ensure a P4 and would then serve to even further ensure no expansion of the playoff.

Then you still have the problem of having the majority of the schools in Texas and Florida not being able to play for the National Championship. That is a lot of political pressure on Governors and Senators to do something.

Problem is, most of the fan bases of that majority of schools are also Gator, Seminole, Aggie, or Longhorn fans. The pressure will have to come from states like Wyoming, Montana, Connecticutt, and Hawaii that have no P-5 representation at all. The people in those states can't be happy with the way things have gone.
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(08-11-2014 10:49 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  Quote in the New York Times/taken from AAC site

...Steve Patterson, the men’s athletic director at the University of Texas, was more ruthless in describing the Big 5’s decision to break from the group. The programs outside the Big 5 aren’t pulling their weight, he said.

“We are the ones making the money and carrying the liability,” Patterson said. “The others don’t make any money. Nobody wants to watch them on TV. I don’t accept the argument that you have to have total socialism."

He said if the Division I universities on the outside looking in want to make it to the level of the Big 5, they would have to invest more in their sports programs. Or, he offered, they could simply step aside.

“They could be the University of Chicago,” he said. “And hey, a lot of parents want to send their kids there.”

The problem there, if you happen to have a child who wants to play top-level college sports, is that the University of Chicago is Division III. It dropped big-time football in 1939, troubled by the sport’s corrupting influence on academics.

The scary thing is that Patterson was really hinting at what could be the future: The Big 5 will rule college sports. Other programs, unable to keep up, would face the choice of dropping down a division or eradicating nonrevenue sports to go all in on football and basketball....

We've never asked for their TV money.
We've never asked for their gate receipts.
We've asked for and received a small portion of the BCS and CFP if they are going to run around proclaiming the winner is the champion of all FBS.
We have asked that if we produce a good enough team that we be granted access to play in the elite bowls. Until really the BCS era bowl games mostly weren't tied to conferences other than a few champion slots (most years ACC didn't have a bowl tie). All we've asked is that if they are going to close down access to the elite bowls that one slot be left open when we have a worthy team.
We (the G5) almost universally supported the NCAA reform package that included stipends.

This socialism argument is a giant lie.
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