(08-11-2014 10:12 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Cincinnati, it may be time to put that Sunday dress on. Who else? Memphis? No one else I can think of would provide that "bridge to West Virginia."

Is that a bridge to no where???

I can't state enough how much of an opportunity the B12 missed out on in not picking up the trio of WVU, UofL and Cincinnati. Those carried the water for Big East football and the league did not implode because of them. By adding those three the B12 would truly planted a flag into a region that not only has a lot of eyeballs, but watches a lot of college sports. When all of this was going down a few years ago I commented that for the full effect the B12 needed at least two if not all three of these schools to firmly entrence themselves here.

Look at the TV ratings back during that period--- UC vs. Louisville, UC v. West Virginia, West Virginia v. Louisville all did extremely well in both football and basketball.

(08-12-2014 12:06 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 11:59 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  I have little to no interest in the Big 12. I wouldn't mind it if we were added with UofL and WVU...but no thanks now...

Who's we? You and the voices in your head?

Funny

(08-12-2014 07:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I can't state enough how much of an opportunity the B12 missed out on in not picking up the trio of WVU, UofL and Cincinnati. Those carried the water for Big East football and the league did not implode because of them. By adding those three the B12 would truly planted a flag into a region that not only has a lot of eyeballs, but watches a lot of college sports. When all of this was going down a few years ago I commented that for the full effect the B12 needed at least two if not all three of these schools to firmly entrence themselves here.

Look at the TV ratings back during that period--- UC vs. Louisville, UC v. West Virginia, West Virginia v. Louisville all did extremely well in both football and basketball.

I agree but I am happy that Louisville is in the ACC instead.

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Lenville-- I don't blame you for being happy. Everything worked out for UofL.

Cincy and Memphis would help to "bridge the gap" with WVU. However, if the Big 12 were to expand, it would probably be for TV purposes only. This is where I believe schools like BYU (Mormon viewers) and UCF (Orlando market) come into play.

Honestly speaking, the two schools that could fit in the Big 12, but are at least 5-10 years away from being serious candidates are Ark State and UL-Lafayette since both schools border Oklahoma and Texas respectively.

IMO, the Big 12 will only consider expansion when their schools start missing out on the playoffs. They will either expand to 12 or push for an 8-team playoff scenario.

(08-12-2014 08:35 AM)LUcanesfan Wrote:  Cincy and Memphis would help to "bridge the gap" with WVU. However, if the Big 12 were to expand, it would probably be for TV purposes only. This is where I believe schools like BYU (Mormon viewers) and UCF (Orlando market) come into play.

Honestly speaking, the two schools that could fit in the Big 12, but are at least 5-10 years away from being serious candidates are Ark State and UL-Lafayette since both schools border Oklahoma and Texas respectively.

I think Cincy and Memphis will be the only ones consider to bridge WVU.

But you are right that the 'Cajuns would be a good candidate to break in Louisana. Ark St is too small and in a small population state to be consider for the Big12 even 5 to 10 years away.

I doubt seriously that the Big 12 expands. There simply are no peers for Oklahoma and Texas and nobody outside of a present P5 conference adds enough revenue except possibly Connecticut and Brigham Young and both are geographical outliers.

BYU & CINCY it is a no brainer.

Connecticut
Brigham Young
Central Florida
Tulane
Memphis
Cincinnati

(08-12-2014 08:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I doubt seriously that the Big 12 expands. There simply are no peers for Oklahoma and Texas and nobody outside of a present P5 conference adds enough revenue except possibly Connecticut and Brigham Young and both are geographical outliers.

The way the TV deals are set up, and the way the conference members are anticipating sharing revenue, anyone added would need to bring at least $26M in value to the conference for the existing members to avoid reducing projected revenues. I don't think anyone out there no named ND or FSU does that, and it seems those ships have sailed.

(08-12-2014 01:37 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 12:47 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 11:04 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  BYU & Conn have to be 1 & 2
if BYU is no go, then Cin & Conn
if you can get all 3, who 14, Buffalo, UCF is on island, the problem ur trying to fix
my ? is how do u get ISU, KU & KSU to leave TexOkla

WVU too. They haven't been playing there long but they don't want to give up playing Texas and Oklahoma every year to be in the North division.

It's impossible to do. Just as it is impossible to come to agreement on whom to invite if schools actually were to be invited.

Because that is the debate that Boren chose to make, that is why we know the real point of what he is doing now.

People need to seriously stop attacking me so much. I said the Big 12 was in the sights and the fact that CBS's Dodd was the one putting the target there, it meant this was serious. Now we have Boren doing this?

When are people going to stop putting their head in the sand and instead open their eyes to just how much is possible now? The rules have been changed.

You folks think WVU, ISU and KSU would willingly agree to weaken their strength of schedule by a massive amount? That is what they would be agreeing to. They would also be agreeing to a massive cut in their funding when you considering ticket sales. The Big 12 is just too polarized. It has two Kings and both of them refuse to be split apart if they are in the same conference. Without splitting Oklahoma and Texas, there is no point in even discussing divisions for the Big 12.

It is a shame that they are reigniting the flame of hope in some of these fans of "potential invites" but they must in order to set the table for what they are about to do.

Boren is a former US Senator. You've got your head in the sand if you don't realize he fits the mold of a Senator. He's an egotistical blowhard who loves attention.

(08-12-2014 08:57 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 08:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I doubt seriously that the Big 12 expands. There simply are no peers for Oklahoma and Texas and nobody outside of a present P5 conference adds enough revenue except possibly Connecticut and Brigham Young and both are geographical outliers.

The way the TV deals are set up, and the way the conference members are anticipating sharing revenue, anyone added would need to bring at least $26M in value to the conference for the existing members to avoid reducing projected revenues. I don't think anyone out there no named ND or FSU does that, and it seems those ships have sailed.

This. And Boren likes to hear himself talk.

(08-12-2014 08:53 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  BYU & CINCY it is a no brainer.

But it can't be a no brainer or they would have done it already.

Cincinnati with Louisville is a great package, and I agree with the poster above that thought UL, UC and WVU should have been the package to the B12 in 2011 -- especially once Pitt said no. The western edge of the Big East football conference would have been a great pickup -- Pitt, WVU, Cincinnati and Louisville.

Maybe there was no interest in Cincinnati, even as part of a package?

(08-12-2014 08:57 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 08:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I doubt seriously that the Big 12 expands. There simply are no peers for Oklahoma and Texas and nobody outside of a present P5 conference adds enough revenue except possibly Connecticut and Brigham Young and both are geographical outliers.

The way the TV deals are set up, and the way the conference members are anticipating sharing revenue, anyone added would need to bring at least $26M in value to the conference for the existing members to avoid reducing projected revenues. I don't think anyone out there no named ND or FSU does that, and it seems those ships have sailed.

I was trying to be kind.

I think the B12 wanted UL and thought they would be available for a while and ended up getting burned. I think their ideal realistic 12 team league (they were never getting other P5 teams to join) would have involved adding UL and BYU. Without UL there's no clear home run addition that adds monetary value in both football and basketball aside from maybe BYU and we all know the headaches that go along with them.

(08-12-2014 08:43 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 08:35 AM)LUcanesfan Wrote:  Cincy and Memphis would help to "bridge the gap" with WVU. However, if the Big 12 were to expand, it would probably be for TV purposes only. This is where I believe schools like BYU (Mormon viewers) and UCF (Orlando market) come into play.

Honestly speaking, the two schools that could fit in the Big 12, but are at least 5-10 years away from being serious candidates are Ark State and UL-Lafayette since both schools border Oklahoma and Texas respectively.

I think Cincy and Memphis will be the only ones consider to bridge WVU.

But you are right that the 'Cajuns would be a good candidate to break in Louisana. Ark St is too small and in a small population state to be consider for the Big12 even 5 to 10 years away.

I agree that Ark State has some ways to go before joining a P5 conference. The good thing about them (and UL-L) is that they're making tremendous strides in becoming football-schools. Both schools are expanding with the mindset of leaving the Sun Belt sooner rather than later...

Since the Big 12 cannot get the Razorbacks to join, Ark State might be the next best school from that state. And if they do decide to expand with Ark State and UL-L (in the long-term, of course), they will at least be in the SEC territory.

(08-12-2014 09:06 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 08:57 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 08:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I doubt seriously that the Big 12 expands. There simply are no peers for Oklahoma and Texas and nobody outside of a present P5 conference adds enough revenue except possibly Connecticut and Brigham Young and both are geographical outliers.

The way the TV deals are set up, and the way the conference members are anticipating sharing revenue, anyone added would need to bring at least $26M in value to the conference for the existing members to avoid reducing projected revenues. I don't think anyone out there no named ND or FSU does that, and it seems those ships have sailed.

I was trying to be kind.

Yes, without their own network the B12 has no way to create revenue on its own.

(08-12-2014 12:06 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 11:59 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  I have little to no interest in the Big 12. I wouldn't mind it if we were added with UofL and WVU...but no thanks now...

Who's we? You and the voices in your head?

Seriously, UConn would join up in a heartbeat. The footprint is no worse than the AAC for us.

SCHOOLS THAT THE BIG 12 COULD PLAUSIBLY ADD TODAY:
BYU
Cincinnati

SCHOOLS THAT THE BIG 12 COULD ADD TODAY IN THEORY BUT THEY'RE TOO FAR AWAY:
UConn
San Diego State

SCHOOLS THAT HAVE HIGH FUTURE POTENTIAL IF THEY COULD BE MERELY COMPETENT IN FOOTBALL:
Tulane (great academics, good market, great recruiting territory)
Memphis (great basketball fan base, good market, great recruiting territory)
New Mexico (great basketball fan base, state with no pro or P5 competition)
UNLV (great basketball fan base, largest market in country with no pro or P5 competition)
Colorado State (good academics, brings Big 12 back into fast growing state)

TOO MUCH DIRECT P5 COMPETITION?
Any school in Florida

TOO MANY MARKETS ALREADY COVERED?
Any school in Texas