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(08-09-2014 12:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Or do they at some point realize that they are now completely responsible for the future of a great sport and start making an attempt to govern wisely for the good of the whole sport?

To the bolded part... BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

You stand a better chance of the Sun Belt having a run of 10 National Champions in football starting 3 years ago.

It hasn't been about the long-term health of the sport for decades. It's been about (and sadly, will continue to be about) how much money can I get for my university in the least amount of time.

At some point the money will be affected by the overall collapse in equity and competitiveness. When the product is a farce....nobody makes money.
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RE: Back to the Future: The Sun Belt in 2020
(08-09-2014 04:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 03:58 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 12:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Or do they at some point realize that they are now completely responsible for the future of a great sport and start making an attempt to govern wisely for the good of the whole sport?

To the bolded part... BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

You stand a better chance of the Sun Belt having a run of 10 National Champions in football starting 3 years ago.

It hasn't been about the long-term health of the sport for decades. It's been about (and sadly, will continue to be about) how much money can I get for my university in the least amount of time.

At some point the money will be affected by the overall collapse in equity and competitiveness. When the product is a farce....nobody makes money.

If that is true, why is there still professional wrestling? 01-wingedeagle
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RE: Back to the Future: The Sun Belt in 2020
(08-09-2014 04:39 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 04:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 03:58 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 12:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Or do they at some point realize that they are now completely responsible for the future of a great sport and start making an attempt to govern wisely for the good of the whole sport?

To the bolded part... BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

You stand a better chance of the Sun Belt having a run of 10 National Champions in football starting 3 years ago.

It hasn't been about the long-term health of the sport for decades. It's been about (and sadly, will continue to be about) how much money can I get for my university in the least amount of time.

At some point the money will be affected by the overall collapse in equity and competitiveness. When the product is a farce....nobody makes money.

If that is true, why is there still professional wrestling? 01-wingedeagle

You have to be kidding me with that argument. No university has a professional wrestling team attached to it and will not have.

If you reach a tipping point where college sports is no longer an actual athletic competition then you will indeed see some trailer park people paying big money to see Bama put a thrashing on the Washington Generals. But the vast majority of fans who are not idiots have better things to do than pay to see an obvious fiction every week.
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RE: Back to the Future: The Sun Belt in 2020
(08-09-2014 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 03:08 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 01:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If conference realignment stabilizes for the next 5.5 years, here's my prediction as to where we will be in 2020.

1) The Sun Belt will have a 12th team and CCG. I predict it will be Missouri State and either JMU or EKU. Those teams will be all sports members
2) NMSU will be an all sports member
3) Idaho will no longer be in the conference.
4) The Sun Belt will grow into a competitive loop in football
5) We will still have a sh*tty TV deal, but we will have bowl parity with CUSA,

An FCS school needs three things to go FBS: The desire, the money and an invite. Missouri State has none of the three, EKU has the desire and JMU may have none of them and may have all three.

A forgotten school is Liberty. Liberty has two of the three. For a school that stirs up a lot of emotion among SBC fans, they have a solid future schedule with P5 schools. This year at North Carolina, 2015 at West Virgina, 2016 at Virginia Tech and 2017 at Baylor.

I agree that the SBC will have a CCG and a 12th team, but well before 2020. I think if JMU is a permanent no and Liberty continues to be unacceptable, then it has to be UMASS. That should happen by 2016.

By 2020, lots of things could change. I think that the passage of time will make Liberty's candidacy appear to be more, not less problematic, unless there are changes forthcoming.

For JMU and Missouri State, there are some hard decisions they'll need t make. I actually think they both come over. Not next year. Not the year after that, but somewhere around 2017 or so.

If JMU goes into the spring of 2015 and is still not showing any interest in moving up, then I think they are in FCS for the next decade or longer. The Sun Belt cannot wait on them. UMASS leaves the MAC in 2015 and would be ready for 2016. Or they could leave early and be in the SBC in 2015. I think by 2016 the SBC will have a CCG.

Missouri State does not have the money. I cannot take schools seriously if they don't show the desire or have the money. Missouri State pays their head football coach $108,000. He is the lowest paid head coach in the MVC. JMU pays their head coach $325,000 and will increase that if they move up to the FBS level (according to their AD). Missouri State has to fix their FCS program, then decide if they want to move up and then try to figure out where the money will come from.

Liberty has the money and that will always keep them in the conversation until a 12th team is selected.
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RE: Back to the Future: The Sun Belt in 2020
(08-09-2014 02:30 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 12:52 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 12:27 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I don't believe the Big 12 (or 10 as it is now) is going to expand. I do believe they are happy at 10.

I believe they will because I think Texas will get restless and bolt one of these days for what they believe are greener pastures. Perhaps another team or two will go with them. Big 12 then adds teams like BYU and Cincy.......perhaps a team from Florida like UCF.

AAC merges with MWC.

Sun Belt merges with C-USA.

MAC keeps chugging along being the MAC.

Since everything done at the FBS level is about money, how does any of this make additional money? The Big 12 this past season had the most revenue per school of any of the Power five conferences ($26.2 million per team). Texas has a third tier TV contract (Longhorn Network) that pays them $15 million per year. They don't share this with the rest of the Big 12. I can't see them being restless.

The Big 12 has a Grant of Rights agreement so their is no incentive to leave for any school in the Big 12. The GOR is good through 2025.

How does a G5 conference merger translate into additional money?

The BIG 12 will expand....but not for revenue reasons or Texas bolting that most are thinking about.....with this new college structure, all rule decisions from the 5 money conferences will come down to votes based on membership numbers. currently the BIG 12 with only 10 member has the least amount of voting power, and will need to get at least to 12 member to have equal power as PAC12, still less percentage power than the SEC,ACC, and i think BIG 10 ..................

Now how the dominoes fall after the BIG 12 expands is far to cloudy to even have a good guess at this time. BUT the biggest thing to me is how long can the BIG 12 stand pat? seems if a few votes dont go their way, the additions will come soon after. if the other conferences vote in line with the BIG 12, the addition will be pushed down the road. Just more food for thought!
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RE: Back to the Future: The Sun Belt in 2020
(08-09-2014 05:07 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 04:39 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 04:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 03:58 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 12:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Or do they at some point realize that they are now completely responsible for the future of a great sport and start making an attempt to govern wisely for the good of the whole sport?

To the bolded part... BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

You stand a better chance of the Sun Belt having a run of 10 National Champions in football starting 3 years ago.

It hasn't been about the long-term health of the sport for decades. It's been about (and sadly, will continue to be about) how much money can I get for my university in the least amount of time.

At some point the money will be affected by the overall collapse in equity and competitiveness. When the product is a farce....nobody makes money.

If that is true, why is there still professional wrestling? 01-wingedeagle

You have to be kidding me with that argument. No university has a professional wrestling team attached to it and will not have.

If you reach a tipping point where college sports is no longer an actual athletic competition then you will indeed see some trailer park people paying big money to see Bama put a thrashing on the Washington Generals. But the vast majority of fans who are not idiots have better things to do than pay to see an obvious fiction every week.

It was a joke.
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(08-09-2014 07:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Missouri State does not have the money. I cannot take schools seriously if they don't show the desire or have the money. Missouri State pays their head football coach $108,000. He is the lowest paid head coach in the MVC. JMU pays their head coach $325,000 and will increase that if they move up to the FBS level (according to their AD). Missouri State has to fix their FCS program, then decide if they want to move up and then try to figure out where the money will come from.

The women's basketball coach makes more than the football coach because he sucks and doesn't deserve a raise. He is a lame duck and will be replaced after this season anyways, you will see the next coach making a lot more money.

our mens basketball coach makes 450,000/year, that is more than some sun belt football coaches make and our $15.1 million athletic budget is on par with Arkansas State.
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(08-09-2014 08:32 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 07:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Missouri State does not have the money. I cannot take schools seriously if they don't show the desire or have the money. Missouri State pays their head football coach $108,000. He is the lowest paid head coach in the MVC. JMU pays their head coach $325,000 and will increase that if they move up to the FBS level (according to their AD). Missouri State has to fix their FCS program, then decide if they want to move up and then try to figure out where the money will come from.

The women's basketball coach makes more than the football coach because he sucks and doesn't deserve a raise. He is a lame duck and will be replaced after this season anyways, you will see the next coach making a lot more money.

our mens basketball coach makes 450,000/year, that is more than some sun belt football coaches make and our $15 million athletic budget is on par with Arkansas State.

Your men's basketball program is a crapload better than most Belt bb programs.
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(08-09-2014 08:32 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 07:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Missouri State does not have the money. I cannot take schools seriously if they don't show the desire or have the money. Missouri State pays their head football coach $108,000. He is the lowest paid head coach in the MVC. JMU pays their head coach $325,000 and will increase that if they move up to the FBS level (according to their AD). Missouri State has to fix their FCS program, then decide if they want to move up and then try to figure out where the money will come from.

The women's basketball coach makes more than the football coach because he sucks and doesn't deserve a raise. He is a lame duck and will be replaced after this season anyways, you will see the next coach making a lot more money.

our mens basketball coach makes 450,000/year, that is more than some sun belt football coaches make and our $15.1 million athletic budget is on par with Arkansas State.

Texas State fans really seem to not care for MoSt.
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RE: Back to the Future: The Sun Belt in 2020
(08-09-2014 07:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 03:08 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 01:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If conference realignment stabilizes for the next 5.5 years, here's my prediction as to where we will be in 2020.

1) The Sun Belt will have a 12th team and CCG. I predict it will be Missouri State and either JMU or EKU. Those teams will be all sports members
2) NMSU will be an all sports member
3) Idaho will no longer be in the conference.
4) The Sun Belt will grow into a competitive loop in football
5) We will still have a sh*tty TV deal, but we will have bowl parity with CUSA,

An FCS school needs three things to go FBS: The desire, the money and an invite. Missouri State has none of the three, EKU has the desire and JMU may have none of them and may have all three.

A forgotten school is Liberty. Liberty has two of the three. For a school that stirs up a lot of emotion among SBC fans, they have a solid future schedule with P5 schools. This year at North Carolina, 2015 at West Virgina, 2016 at Virginia Tech and 2017 at Baylor.

I agree that the SBC will have a CCG and a 12th team, but well before 2020. I think if JMU is a permanent no and Liberty continues to be unacceptable, then it has to be UMASS. That should happen by 2016.

By 2020, lots of things could change. I think that the passage of time will make Liberty's candidacy appear to be more, not less problematic, unless there are changes forthcoming.

For JMU and Missouri State, there are some hard decisions they'll need t make. I actually think they both come over. Not next year. Not the year after that, but somewhere around 2017 or so.

If JMU goes into the spring of 2015 and is still not showing any interest in moving up, then I think they are in FCS for the next decade or longer. The Sun Belt cannot wait on them. UMASS leaves the MAC in 2015 and would be ready for 2016. Or they could leave early and be in the SBC in 2015. I think by 2016 the SBC will have a CCG.

Missouri State does not have the money. I cannot take schools seriously if they don't show the desire or have the money. Missouri State pays their head football coach $108,000. He is the lowest paid head coach in the MVC. JMU pays their head coach $325,000 and will increase that if they move up to the FBS level (according to their AD). Missouri State has to fix their FCS program, then decide if they want to move up and then try to figure out where the money will come from.

Liberty has the money and that will always keep them in the conversation until a 12th team is selected.

108k in missouri is probably equal to 325k in va.
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(08-09-2014 09:29 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 08:32 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 07:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Missouri State does not have the money. I cannot take schools seriously if they don't show the desire or have the money. Missouri State pays their head football coach $108,000. He is the lowest paid head coach in the MVC. JMU pays their head coach $325,000 and will increase that if they move up to the FBS level (according to their AD). Missouri State has to fix their FCS program, then decide if they want to move up and then try to figure out where the money will come from.

The women's basketball coach makes more than the football coach because he sucks and doesn't deserve a raise. He is a lame duck and will be replaced after this season anyways, you will see the next coach making a lot more money.

our mens basketball coach makes 450,000/year, that is more than some sun belt football coaches make and our $15.1 million athletic budget is on par with Arkansas State.

Texas State fans really seem to not care for MoSt.

they would be a good add for us..they have good basketball and baseball and not too far for travel. many dfw area kids go there.
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I think the future path for the G5 is going to be about cost containment. If TV contracts don't block it I see a possibility that the G5 regionalize to reduce travel costs for Olympic sports. It's going to be expensive as hell to fly all these teams around, when the G5 could regionalize and get equal "or maybe slightly better) TV money for Bball and Fball and drastically reduce costs for Olympic sports.

I see a day when my school is conference mates with some SBC teams just for that reason.
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(08-10-2014 05:21 PM)gassman Wrote:  I think the future path for the G5 is going to be about cost containment. If TV contracts don't block it I see a possibility that the G5 regionalize to reduce travel costs for Olympic sports. It's going to be expensive as hell to fly all these teams around, when the G5 could regionalize and get equal "or maybe slightly better) TV money for Bball and Fball and drastically reduce costs for Olympic sports.

I see a day when my school is conference mates with some SBC teams just for that reason.

Not to mention more butts in the seats because the rivalries will be more heated. I'm convinced that those who attract actual fans to their events are the ones who are going to fare the best.
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To "regionalize" CUSA and the Sun Belt you have to have both conferences be willing to do this. I am sorry--- I just don't see it at this point.
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In 2020 James Madison's administration will be telling their fans, alums and students that they are planning to go FBS as soon as
a satisfactory conference invites them. While everyone in FBS shakes their heads. Meanwhile JMU administration keeps hoping that the Ivy League goes FBS.

Liberty in 2020 will be telling their students and worshipers that they plan to go FBS, it's getting close. They are now making twenty billion a year on their online college courses, but they do not have to laugh all the way to the bank, because they are by then a college and a bank. Also, a hardware, church, bail bondsmen, first emergency services, tax preparers, barber shop, laundry, etc.

Missouri State's administration in 2020 decides that some changes need to be made. That basketball is not the only sport. So they apply to the NBA to be an NBA prep to pro League Member.



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(08-10-2014 06:03 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  To "regionalize" CUSA and the Sun Belt you have to have both conferences be willing to do this. I am sorry--- I just don't see it at this point.

Here on fan-based message boards, we love to hate the other guys and could never dream of the other guys doing something in concert with us.

However, our conferences are businesses and if they're run by good businessmen, there sometimes comes a day when the realization hits that the pie has gotten smaller and that the only way to stay float is to economize.....which often means merging with the competition.

Businesses do it every day. It could happen here as well.
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(08-10-2014 06:35 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  In 2020 James Madison's administration will be telling their fans, alums and students that they are planning to go FBS as soon as
a satisfactory conference invites them. While everyone in FBS shakes their heads. Meanwhile JMU administration keeps hoping that the Ivy League goes FBS.

Liberty in 2020 will be telling their students and worshipers that they plan to go FBS, it's getting close. They are now making twenty billion a year on their online college courses, but they do not have to laugh all the way to the bank, because they are by then a college and a bank. Also, a hardware, church, bail bondsmen, first emergency services, tax preparers, barber shop, laundry, etc.

Missouri State's administration in 2020 decides that some changes need to be made. That basketball is not the only sport. So they apply to the NBA to be an NBA prep to pro League Member.

Tulane appeals to the Sun Belt for membership after several years on independant island. They put a solid offer on the table to expand their stadium to 29,000.
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(08-09-2014 09:29 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 08:32 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 07:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Missouri State does not have the money. I cannot take schools seriously if they don't show the desire or have the money. Missouri State pays their head football coach $108,000. He is the lowest paid head coach in the MVC. JMU pays their head coach $325,000 and will increase that if they move up to the FBS level (according to their AD). Missouri State has to fix their FCS program, then decide if they want to move up and then try to figure out where the money will come from.

The women's basketball coach makes more than the football coach because he sucks and doesn't deserve a raise. He is a lame duck and will be replaced after this season anyways, you will see the next coach making a lot more money.

our mens basketball coach makes 450,000/year, that is more than some sun belt football coaches make and our $15.1 million athletic budget is on par with Arkansas State.

Texas State fans really seem to not care for MoSt.

Which is funny when you consider how similar our schools are.

1) We don't need to pay our horrible coach more
2) We have one of the lowest costs of living in the country so it's kind of a moot point.
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There has to be a happy medium between regionalizing conferences and media exposure.

It's entirely possible for the Texas teams in all non P5 conferences to join together and have a pure Texas conference (there's enough teams). None would go for it though, because it limits the exposure outside of Texas, which is the entire point of FBS football. The happy medium is to basically have two overlapping conferences covering the same area, but spans across the Southeastern United States. Having 1 Texas team in a conference while another has 4 makes no sense, same as two Florida teams in one conference, but none in the other (etc etc).

To get a truly semi-regional, but optimized for media conference built out of CUSA and the Sun Belt would require a collaboration between the two conferences, and instead, both conferences are hoping to put a boot on the other conference to keep from the bottom.
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(08-09-2014 03:08 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 01:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If conference realignment stabilizes for the next 5.5 years, here's my prediction as to where we will be in 2020.

1) The Sun Belt will have a 12th team and CCG. I predict it will be Missouri State and either JMU or EKU. Those teams will be all sports members
2) NMSU will be an all sports member
3) Idaho will no longer be in the conference.
4) The Sun Belt will grow into a competitive loop in football
5) We will still have a sh*tty TV deal, but we will have bowl parity with CUSA,

An FCS school needs three things to go FBS: The desire, the money and an invite. Missouri State has none of the three, EKU has the desire and JMU may have none of them and may have all three.

A forgotten school is Liberty. Liberty has two of the three. For a school that stirs up a lot of emotion among SBC fans, they have a solid future schedule with P5 schools. This year at North Carolina, 2015 at West Virgina, 2016 at Virginia Tech and 2017 at Baylor.

I agree that the SBC will have a CCG and a 12th team, but well before 2020. I think if JMU is a permanent no and Liberty continues to be unacceptable, then it has to be UMASS. That should happen by 2016.

This ^^^^^^^.

The only openings in the next 5 years are the B-12 and the Sunbelt. The B-12 is staying at 10 until the the current TV contract runs out unless they want to get to 12 for a championship game again. If they go to 12 then there are more openings. The money they are currently making verses any additional championship money with 12 keeps the B-12 at ten where they are currently happy to be at least on the surface at this time.

The final spot at this time goes to James Madison if they have a change of heart on the Sunbelt's offer for them to join the conference. If they don't change their mind then UMass gets a four year deal similar to the MAC contract they currently have with the Sunbelt until realignment sorts thing out again. Its a win win for UMass who needs a conference and the Sunbelt who needs a 12th member for the championship game it currently desires. Without James Madison or UMass the Sunbelt apparently does not currently have a suitable school that meets all of the conference members approval to get to 12 members and the championship game it currently desires. 07-coffee3
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