Does anyone know where the SBC will land with regards to stipends and basketball?

I really don't think anyone knows that yet.

I would put money on the conference offering stipends to football and basketball.

This could be a huge gain for SBC basketball. Not every conference is going stipend in basketball. I suspect about half wont.

(08-09-2014 06:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This could be a huge gain for SBC basketball. Not every conference is going stipend in basketball. I suspect about half wont.

Which half?

You would think after stipending all of the football players a few basketball thrown in would be a drop in the bucket.

I'm sure the lawyers have been busy as bees, but I haven't heard how they'd get out of paying stipends to the volleyball team, softball team, and every other athlete yet. If they offer one it seems like they'd have to offer all. It will be interesting.

I've seen head count sports mentioned. I'm not really sure exactly what those are - except I think that excludes baseball. I've also seen 200 x $5,000 = $1,000,000 cost mentioned, as if everyone on scholarship will be treated the same. Not sure how you get around title IX if you don't pay it to the ladies.

(08-09-2014 08:25 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  I've seen head count sports mentioned. I'm not really sure exactly what those are - except I think that excludes baseball. I've also seen 200 x $5,000 = $1,000,000 cost mentioned, as if everyone on scholarship will be treated the same. Not sure how you get around title IX if you don't pay it to the ladies.

Head Count Sports are sports in which only full scholarships may be offered. No partials. Those are FBS Football Men's and Women's Basketball, Volleyball, Gymnastics, and a couple others.

Its important to note that if they say only head count sports can offer stipends, that would mean FCS schools could not offer stipends as FCS Football is not a head count sport.

FCS can't offer a stipend but they can still offer a college education, which is highly valuable. Just ask any college student or graduate that is or will be paying off loans for school.

(08-10-2014 12:10 AM)bamaEagle Wrote:  FCS can't offer a stipend but they can still offer a college education, which is highly valuable. Just ask any college student or graduate that is or will be paying off loans for school.

Which is no different than any FBS school offers...

We still have no idea how any of this is going to work yet. Even in a scenario where Football is the only ones offering stipends, do ALL players get a stipend? Or is it part of your scholarship package on an individual basis. That could end up being GOOD for us. Say there is a 3 star kid that Georgia offers that they could take or leave. They have a couple more lined up on the board before him. So they don't really offer him a stipend. Georgia State, however, sees something special in the kid and REALLY wants him so offers him a stipend. He might be more likely to make that money at Georgia State.

Again, we don't really know how any of this will work.

(08-10-2014 01:41 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  We still have no idea how any of this is going to work yet. Even in a scenario where Football is the only ones offering stipends, do ALL players get a stipend? Or is it part of your scholarship package on an individual basis. That could end up being GOOD for us. Say there is a 3 star kid that Georgia offers that they could take or leave. They have a couple more lined up on the board before him. So they don't really offer him a stipend. Georgia State, however, sees something special in the kid and REALLY wants him so offers him a stipend. He might be more likely to make that money at Georgia State.

Again, we don't really know how any of this will work.

Remember these are "cost of attendance" add ons so EVERY FBS football player will have the same stipend unless some conferences do not adopt (I think for this first round of stipends every FBS will adopt).FBS cannot fracture scholarships like FCS

(08-09-2014 08:25 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  I've seen head count sports mentioned. I'm not really sure exactly what those are - except I think that excludes baseball. I've also seen 200 x $5,000 = $1,000,000 cost mentioned, as if everyone on scholarship will be treated the same. Not sure how you get around title IX if you don't pay it to the ladies.

Bowlsby recently confirmed it will be all athletes on the Doug Gotlei b show.

Twenty one training table meals and unlimited snacks.

Paying for travel for families to attend some games and bowl games.

lifetime insurance and scholarships.

How does this effect UALR or UTA.
They could actually have an advantage being able to offer stipends but fewer athletes.

We know what was proposed for stipend and later over-ridden. That was $2k and head-count only but we don't know how much of that was a compromise to try get the non-football to play along.

They might go $5k all sports with the fractions of the $5k in proportion to the value of a scholarship. For the typical Sun Belt that would mean slightly over one million.

I tend to think you are going to see some experimentation in a number of sports. For example if a student qualifies for an academic scholarship or a Pell Grant, you may see a school fund part of the $5k out of the Pell Grant or the scholarship the athlete would qualify for. Some schools may choose to go to a need based system. On the baseball team you might see a kid from a wealthy family get $0, one from a middle class family get 50% and one from a poor family 100%.

(08-10-2014 01:00 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 12:10 AM)bamaEagle Wrote:  FCS can't offer a stipend but they can still offer a college education, which is highly valuable. Just ask any college student or graduate that is or will be paying off loans for school.

Which is no different than any FBS school offers...

Not everyone will get FBS offers though. FCS will continue to exist despite popular belief. It may not be the FCS that we are used to, but it will still be around.

First will come a lawsuit over t9. The thing that will hurt the fcs is an increase in scholarships provided. If its need based a student without need will simply go to a school that doesnt discriminate in that manner.

(08-10-2014 08:41 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  First will come a lawsuit over t9. The thing that will hurt the fcs is an increase in scholarships provided. If its need based a student without need will simply go to a school that doesnt discriminate in that manner.

Yea, the Title IX thing has the potential to create immense distortions in Division I women's sports.

Everybody is talking about stipends and the impact on college football. I see this thing as having potentially a much GREATER impact on college basketball and women's olympic sports.

Imagine a NCAA D1 where half the teams don't pay stipends for example. CAA doesn't allow its teams to pay a stipend....and JMU will regret their decision to not join the Belt. The MVC refuses to allow stipends....then watch for Missouri State and Wichita State to look for a new home. However, I think the MVC and WCC go stipend. I'm not sure if the CAA does.

I think a more interesting scenario might allow us to pick up some non-football teams if we want them. Murray State anyone? How about Belmont? I would strongly suspect that the WAC will NOT go stipend. So NMSU will probably need a landing spot for basketball.

(08-10-2014 09:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 08:41 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  First will come a lawsuit over t9. The thing that will hurt the fcs is an increase in scholarships provided. If its need based a student without need will simply go to a school that doesnt discriminate in that manner.

Yea, the Title IX thing has the potential to create immense distortions in Division I women's sports.

Everybody is talking about stipends and the impact on college football. I see this thing as having potentially a much GREATER impact on college basketball and women's olympic sports.

Imagine a NCAA D1 where half the teams don't pay stipends for example. CAA doesn't allow its teams to pay a stipend....and JMU will regret their decision to not join the Belt. The MVC refuses to allow stipends....then watch for Missouri State and Wichita State to look for a new home. However, I think the MVC and WCC go stipend. I'm not sure if the CAA does.

I think a more interesting scenario might allow us to pick up some non-football teams if we want them. Murray State anyone? How about Belmont? I would strongly suspect that the WAC will NOT go stipend. So NMSU will probably need a landing spot for basketball.

I would bet it ends up being all scholarship athletes. UALR and UTA may indeed hit the jackpot but it could really boost our basketball and football across the board as a conference. If I am Missouri State I am BEGGING for that 12th spot. Basketball is their bread and butter but a lot of their league is gone and there is no guarantee they will offer stipends.

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