That's what the Mountain Worst got in their first year.

I read something similar during the championship game blitz about there not being much selection and competition in that late slot. If we have one, a 9 PM Central game in New Orleans or Nashville would not be the worst idea.

Every little million helps.

MWC got their game on CBS, which was a major coup, but they also own the late time slot. The difference is that we couldn't hope for near that much for a game, and if that game costs us an Access bowl berth, it could cost us 6 million dollars in revenue, for a 500K game.

(07-28-2014 04:58 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  a 9 PM Central game in New Orleans or Nashville would not be the worst idea.

I suppose compared to a 5am kickoff in Mexico City...

Neutral sight is a terrible idea for any G5 conference.

(07-28-2014 06:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:58 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  a 9 PM Central game in New Orleans or Nashville would not be the worst idea.

I suppose compared to a 5am kickoff in Mexico City...

Neutral sight is a terrible idea for any G5 conference.

Don't hate on Mexico. Arkansas State is talking about hosting a game there in the future.

(07-28-2014 08:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 06:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:58 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  a 9 PM Central game in New Orleans or Nashville would not be the worst idea.

I suppose compared to a 5am kickoff in Mexico City...

Neutral sight is a terrible idea for any G5 conference.

Don't hate on Mexico. Arkansas State is talking about hosting a game there in the future.

Howl yeah at El Azteca?

(07-28-2014 09:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 08:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 06:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:58 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  a 9 PM Central game in New Orleans or Nashville would not be the worst idea.

I suppose compared to a 5am kickoff in Mexico City...

Neutral sight is a terrible idea for any G5 conference.

Don't hate on Mexico. Arkansas State is talking about hosting a game there in the future.

Howl yeah at El Azteca?

Nah, we're building our own campus in Mexico. Arkansas State-Queretaro. Talking about hosting a basketball tourney, and possibly a football game in the future.

It will be the first ever American Style College Campus south of the border.

http://www.astate.mx/

(07-28-2014 05:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  MWC got their game on CBS, which was a major coup, but they also own the late time slot. The difference is that we couldn't hope for near that much for a game, and if that game costs us an Access bowl berth, it could cost us 6 million dollars in revenue, for a 500K game.

You are trying to make the same argument that Terry Mohajir was making. It just doesn't work. If you can't win the CCG, you are not good enough.

In the example Mohajir likes to use of Northern Illinois, they were not good enough. NIU was very suspect on defense. There is a reason they lost to Bowling Green 47-27 in the MAC Championship. Bowling Green was ranked #10 in the nation in total defense, NIU #78. NIU was not a good defensive team. NIU gave up 35 points and over 400 yards to a bad Idaho team, a game they pulled out in the 4th quarter 45-35.

The CCG can work in your favor or against you. In most cases, it will make no difference, but it will give the conference a chance to showcase Sun Belt football on ESPN in a CCG. Whatever the money starts out at, it is shortsighted to worry about an event that may never happen to miss an opportunity to grow the SBC brand through a CCG.

(07-28-2014 11:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 05:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  MWC got their game on CBS, which was a major coup, but they also own the late time slot. The difference is that we couldn't hope for near that much for a game, and if that game costs us an Access bowl berth, it could cost us 6 million dollars in revenue, for a 500K game.

You are trying to make the same argument that Terry Mohajir was making. It just doesn't work. If you can't win the CCG, you are not good enough.

In the example Mohajir likes to use of Northern Illinois, they were not good enough. NIU was very suspect on defense. There is a reason they lost to Bowling Green 47-27 in the MAC Championship. Bowling Green was ranked #10 in the nation in total defense, NIU #78. NIU was not a good defensive team. NIU gave up 35 points and over 400 yards to a bad Idaho team, a game they pulled out in the 4th quarter 45-35.

The CCG can work in your favor or against you. In most cases, it will make no difference, but it will give the conference a chance to showcase Sun Belt football on ESPN in a CCG. Whatever the money starts out at, it is shortsighted to worry about an event that may never happen to miss an opportunity to grow the SBC brand through a CCG.

Mohajir was right about that. And it makes sense...why play a game when chances are your league is going to come out a loser because of it. Especially if playing the game means we have to add a team that would not benefit the league.

(07-28-2014 11:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 05:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  MWC got their game on CBS, which was a major coup, but they also own the late time slot. The difference is that we couldn't hope for near that much for a game, and if that game costs us an Access bowl berth, it could cost us 6 million dollars in revenue, for a 500K game.

You are trying to make the same argument that Terry Mohajir was making. It just doesn't work. If you can't win the CCG, you are not good enough.

In the example Mohajir likes to use of Northern Illinois, they were not good enough. NIU was very suspect on defense. There is a reason they lost to Bowling Green 47-27 in the MAC Championship. Bowling Green was ranked #10 in the nation in total defense, NIU #78. NIU was not a good defensive team. NIU gave up 35 points and over 400 yards to a bad Idaho team, a game they pulled out in the 4th quarter 45-35.

The CCG can work in your favor or against you. In most cases, it will make no difference, but it will give the conference a chance to showcase Sun Belt football on ESPN in a CCG. Whatever the money starts out at, it is shortsighted to worry about an event that may never happen to miss an opportunity to grow the SBC brand through a CCG.

We're sort of at the point where we don't care if a team is actually good enough when multi-millions are on the line.

Maybe if the game itself was worth millions too. But really, its not.

Growing the brand would be better accomplished by going to the Orange Bowl and not screwing that up.

The only way it really becomes a thing is if somebody is willing to pay closer to the amount we might lose for the game....or if it becomes clear that one is required to get to that Orange Bowl.

(07-29-2014 12:27 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 11:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 05:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  MWC got their game on CBS, which was a major coup, but they also own the late time slot. The difference is that we couldn't hope for near that much for a game, and if that game costs us an Access bowl berth, it could cost us 6 million dollars in revenue, for a 500K game.

You are trying to make the same argument that Terry Mohajir was making. It just doesn't work. If you can't win the CCG, you are not good enough.

In the example Mohajir likes to use of Northern Illinois, they were not good enough. NIU was very suspect on defense. There is a reason they lost to Bowling Green 47-27 in the MAC Championship. Bowling Green was ranked #10 in the nation in total defense, NIU #78. NIU was not a good defensive team. NIU gave up 35 points and over 400 yards to a bad Idaho team, a game they pulled out in the 4th quarter 45-35.

The CCG can work in your favor or against you. In most cases, it will make no difference, but it will give the conference a chance to showcase Sun Belt football on ESPN in a CCG. Whatever the money starts out at, it is shortsighted to worry about an event that may never happen to miss an opportunity to grow the SBC brand through a CCG.

Mohajir was right about that. And it makes sense...why play a game when chances are your league is going to come out a loser because of it. Especially if playing the game means we have to add a team that would not benefit the league.

I just don't see your point. A CCG is more about the conference. The chances that the CCG might make the difference in the SBC making or not making the $6 million dollar bowl is minimal. It is a lot better to play the game and be in the national TV spotlight for three hours than to avoid a CCG on the remote possibility that it might cost you $6 million. I don't see the other G5 conferences dumping their Conference Championship games on the fear that it might cost them a shot at a $6 million dollar bowl.

If a team is too afraid of playing a conference championship game because they
might lose, they do not need to be in the championship game. Doubt any SBC
team makes the Access Bowl game without a championship game. Too much competition.

(07-29-2014 04:31 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If a team is too afraid of playing a conference championship game because they
might lose, they do not need to be in the championship game. Doubt any SBC
team makes the Access Bowl game without a championship game. Too much competition.

This has nothing to do with being afraid, it has to do with cost-benefit analysis. The same cost-benefit analysis that the Big 12 uses.

A CCG will be good for the conference (if you can get a night spot) , and will most likely be needed in the next few years to compete with the other G5 for perception, UNLESS we have a yearly powerhouse top 25 team by then, then its not really needed. Regardless of there being a chance for a potential access bowl spot to be lost on occasion with a loss in the game. BUT we cant put on a game without decent compensation, we need the payout of the game to show the value we want the conference to have. and we cant just add any member just to get to 12. so for now, and until the money and right 12th member is available to us, we don't have a CCG.

(07-29-2014 07:57 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  A CCG will be good for the conference (if you can get a night spot) , and will most likely be needed in the next few years to compete with the other G5 for perception, UNLESS we have a yearly powerhouse top 25 team by then, then its not really needed. Regardless of there being a chance for a potential access bowl spot to be lost on occasion with a loss in the game. BUT we cant put on a game without decent compensation, we need the payout of the game to show the value we want the conference to have. and we cant just add any member just to get to 12. so for now, and until the money and right 12th member is available to us, we don't have a CCG.

Correct. It's a numbers game. Make the numbers work and you get your lollipop kids. Until then, NO.

It's not a dang lollipop, or a piece of eye candy, it's another football game.
You cannot go wrong when you have more football. Especially in a conference
where no team plays the rest of their conference mates.
Glad we have bean counters, but I am after even more football.
If we make a million on the game or 45 cents, I do not care.
Until the other g5 conferences give up their championships we
need to compete with them, even when we have to compete with ourselves.

(07-29-2014 07:57 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  A CCG will be good for the conference (if you can get a night spot) , and will most likely be needed in the next few years to compete with the other G5 for perception, UNLESS we have a yearly powerhouse top 25 team by then, then its not really needed. Regardless of there being a chance for a potential access bowl spot to be lost on occasion with a loss in the game. BUT we cant put on a game without decent compensation, we need the payout of the game to show the value we want the conference to have. and we cant just add any member just to get to 12. so for now, and until the money and right 12th member is available to us, we don't have a CCG.

Exactly, Its not an urgent need. If we get the right 12th team, we'll have a title game...but there is no hurry. And the compensation must be right, which means not assuming that we'll get the same cool million in profit the MWC got.

Read my lips post, above.

(07-29-2014 08:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  It's not a dang lollipop, or a piece of eye candy, it's another football game.
You cannot go wrong when you have more football. Especially in a conference
where no team plays the rest of their conference mates.
Glad we have bean counters, but I am after even more football.
If we make a million on the game or 45 cents, I do not care.
Until the other g5 conferences give up their championships we
need to compete with them, even when we have to compete with ourselves.

The problem is... you can make a million or cost you a million if you don't have it at the right place and time. You can be all for football all you want, but the conference can't take that kind of $$$ hit.