You people do understand that I was highlighting the difference between the University of Texas and NOT comparing them to the Sun Belt right?

And in no way ever did "my logic" suggest that the Sun Belt schools made billions. NOWHERE.

Try reading again.

Every one of these student athletes who wants to get paid and feels like they're being exploited should be dropped from their scholarships. Wouldn't want to keep exploiting them anymore.

Then we can see where they will get to play in front of a large audience to display their talents for future employers, get around the clock treatment, tutoring, free books, etc. I am so sick of this crap, people should be happy that they get the opportunity to go to college and get a great education for FREE, plus then some. THis notion that because the school is making money, that they somehow deserve it is sickening. The reason these kids get to go to school for free is BECAUSE the programs are making money.

If they want to get paid to play, don't go to college find some other avenue to cash in on your "talents", stop recruiting kids that have no desire at all for an education. Let them take the Brandon Jennings/Emannuel Mudiay approach. In sports where this is not possible, oh well, that should be their first lesson to get over themselves.

The only area i will give these prima donnas any credence is in their personal ability to make an income. Student athletes, if they can even find the time for a part time job, let them. As long as they are getting schoolwork done and continuing to practice and uphold their part of the scholarship. No big deal. Same goes for personal sale of autographs, memorabilia etc. I don't want to hear complaining that the QB at UT will be making more money than his O-Line through this approach. Its a great life lesson, not everyone is equal and deserves the same compensation. Same thing happens when you get to the pros, maybe these superstar players able to make personal money will treat their teammates.

Give me, give me, give me.
Bet those millions of kids owing billions of dollars
after college for college would trade places with them.

The issue is that all this worked fine when college was college and students athletes were students athletes.

But the people running the top of college football do not give a rats butt about college...THEY are the ones that focused on money, money, money, money first.

Who can blame student athletes from following their example?

Complaining about an athlete wanting more cash from a bow-tied 1950's educator is legit.

Complaining about one wanting more cash from Slive and ESPN isn't quite the same is it?

And fans are horrible too. They want their school to be NFL junior even if they have to screw over other schools or their student athletes or every college tradition and rivalry.

There is a thread on the AAC board contemplating the demise of SBC, CUSA, MAC so their schools can be closer to bring seen as NFL Jr.

Some of us hope for FCS to get screwed into nonexistence.

Not admirable.

Of course athletes want more. Doesn't everyone.
Life is rough. They have it pretty good as is.

(07-23-2014 02:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  The issue is that all this worked fine when college was college and students athletes were students athletes.

But the people running the top of college football do not give a rats butt about college...THEY are the ones that focused on money, money, money, money first.

Who can blame student athletes from following their example?

Complaining about an athlete wanting more cash from a bow-tied 1950's educator is legit.

Complaining about one wanting more cash from Slive and ESPN isn't quite the same is it?

And fans are horrible too. They want their school to be NFL junior even if they have to screw over other schools or their student athletes or every college tradition and rivalry.

There is a thread on the AAC board contemplating the demise of SBC, CUSA, MAC so their schools can be closer to bring seen as NFL Jr.

Some of us hope for FCS to get screwed into nonexistence.

Not admirable.

Good post....more and more fan bases are getting warm to pulling offers,cutting kids,helping kids transfer cough,cough,making roster space....etc.

Thank goodness most coaches are ethical because if it was left up to some fans then no father that pays attention would want their son to play college football.

Even though it goes against the trend, since it seems there is more and more PC liberal type pressure to give
athletes four year scholarships, what happens to the players that come on board and then have multiple
incidents with the police, or continuously disrespect or show up for meetings late or talk bad about their
programs. Feel that if they go to four year scholarships some mechanism has to be in place to ensure their
scholarships can still be pulled for atrocious behavior.

(07-25-2014 08:11 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Even though it goes against the trend, since it seems there is more and more PC liberal type pressure to give
athletes four year scholarships, what happens to the players that come on board and then have multiple
incidents with the police, or continuously disrespect or show up for meetings late or talk bad about their
programs. Feel that if they go to four year scholarships some mechanism has to be in place to ensure their
scholarships can still be pulled for atrocious behavior.

That's a good discussion to have and not many are talking about it.

My view is that if we go to 4-year scholarships then you separate out team membership from the scholarship.

The criteria for getting kicked off the team is the same as always...the coach decides.

The criteria for losing the scholarship is the same as for any other student with a similar scholarship through the same process. Would these grades cause a regular student to lose it? Yes? You lose it. Would this arrest result in a regular student losing it? Yes? You lose it.

Not sure if it would work but that's what I've figured.

(07-23-2014 12:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 10:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My biggest issue is shortchanging these kids when it comes to education.

My problem is that the focus is on those that play football for schools that earn billions. They aren't getting their "share" of the billions. It's mostly elite athletes at elite schools not getting the big revenue they generate. And not getting money off of their likeness. And not being able to talk to agents.

But what about the female swimmer at Weber State? She is an NCAA student-athlete. What about the basketball player at Florida Atlantic? He is an NCAA student-athlete. What about the bowler at Arkansas State? She is an NCAA student-athlete. How much is a wrestler at Northern Iowa going to get off of their likeness? How will rules on getting an agent help a Lacrosse player at Widener?

Some animals are more equal than other animals.

They are all student-athletes at NCAA member schools. The NCAA is supposed to be about student-athletes....not some football players at some particular schools.

People are outraged that Alabama's 5-star football player is not getting a stipend...legislation is pushed through....Senate hearings are held....autonomy is demanded...pundits scream. But nobody gives a flying flip about Grambling's student-athletes having to reuse old crappy unsafe equipment.

If this were about "student-athletes" then money would be going into the NCAA to provide for the needs for NCAA student-athletes. ALL OF THEM. Wherever they might be going to school and whatever NCAA sport they may be competing in.

Of course people will yell about socialism...and that's fine. But if so...don't wrap yourself up in the farcical idea that its for the benefit of the class of people known as "student-athlete" because it is most assuredly not...not all of them.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as the kids get a real education while playing then they shouldn't be paid. However, that is entirely contingent on them being fully taken care of financially while in school and the school doing everything required to ensure the kid doesn't get left behind.

The whole thing is about education after all. I think a huge problem with college athletics is that seems to be lost on a lot of people, fans, and administrations.

Education Education Education

Most of what we're seeing in college athletics is driven by ESPN$ and giant paychecks. The overall atmosphere is changing. Student attendance is down significantly due to several reasons the least of which is high def IMO. Interest and SUPPORT is driven by students and alumni. It'll be interesting to see if the ESPN model for college sports can continue to grow while marginalizing this support. I would argue that when you elevate the college athlete above the natural pecking order of academics within a university you risk eroding the machine that sustains the program long term. You risk creating an atmosphere that is more difficult for the student to identify with, particularly the female student. The pressures to succeed are becoming far greater than the universities responsibility to educate. This is reflected in the quality of the student athlete from an academic standpoint. Success is easy when times are good but when times are tough and there's no one there to support you the challenges are compounded making the rise back to stardom more difficult. The have nots may start showing up in strange places. Total commercialization of college athletics.

(07-26-2014 12:26 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 12:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 10:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My biggest issue is shortchanging these kids when it comes to education.

My problem is that the focus is on those that play football for schools that earn billions. They aren't getting their "share" of the billions. It's mostly elite athletes at elite schools not getting the big revenue they generate. And not getting money off of their likeness. And not being able to talk to agents.

But what about the female swimmer at Weber State? She is an NCAA student-athlete. What about the basketball player at Florida Atlantic? He is an NCAA student-athlete. What about the bowler at Arkansas State? She is an NCAA student-athlete. How much is a wrestler at Northern Iowa going to get off of their likeness? How will rules on getting an agent help a Lacrosse player at Widener?

Some animals are more equal than other animals.

They are all student-athletes at NCAA member schools. The NCAA is supposed to be about student-athletes....not some football players at some particular schools.

People are outraged that Alabama's 5-star football player is not getting a stipend...legislation is pushed through....Senate hearings are held....autonomy is demanded...pundits scream. But nobody gives a flying flip about Grambling's student-athletes having to reuse old crappy unsafe equipment.

If this were about "student-athletes" then money would be going into the NCAA to provide for the needs for NCAA student-athletes. ALL OF THEM. Wherever they might be going to school and whatever NCAA sport they may be competing in.

Of course people will yell about socialism...and that's fine. But if so...don't wrap yourself up in the farcical idea that its for the benefit of the class of people known as "student-athlete" because it is most assuredly not...not all of them.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as the kids get a real education while playing then they shouldn't be paid. However, that is entirely contingent on them being fully taken care of financially while in school and the school doing everything required to ensure the kid doesn't get left behind.

The whole thing is about education after all. I think a huge problem with college athletics is that seems to be lost on a lot of people, fans, and administrations.

Education Education Education

wizard is right. it was a great system back when athletes were playing for "good ole state". the players were more likely to be from not too far away and each school had a different persona or regional character. there was state pride and school pride. then came huge amounts of tv money and the competition level ramped up and schools had to ferret out the best players from all over the country. so now you have an inner city kid from back east playing at some school in a small town in texas or new mexico or someplace who picks his school by what offense they run, what is their tv exposure, do they have a record of players at my position being high draft picks, what color z28 are they offering...it's a hoot to go to say a tcu game where the stands are full of old white folks with gray hair that donate the big bucks and yuppie kids cheering on a team of players with tattoos and in many cases criminal records and with kids and drug habits to support.

(07-26-2014 08:40 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Most of what we're seeing in college athletics is driven by ESPN$ and giant paychecks.The overall atmosphere is changing. Student attendance is down significantly due to several reasons the least of which is high def IMO. Interest and SUPPORT is driven by students and alumni. It'll be interesting to see if the ESPN model for college sports can continue to grow while marginalizing this support. I would argue that when you elevate the college athlete above the natural pecking order of academics within a university you risk eroding the machine that sustains the program long term. You risk creating an atmosphere that is more difficult for the student to identify with, particularly the female student. The pressures to succeed are becoming far greater than the universities responsibility to educate. This is reflected in the quality of the student athlete from an academic standpoint. Success is easy when times are good but when times are tough and there's no one there to support you the challenges are compounded making the rise back to stardom more difficult. The have nots may start showing up in strange places. Total commercialization of college athletics.

Quote:wizard is right. it was a great system back when athletes were playing for "good ole state". the players were more likely to be from not too far away and each school had a different persona or regional character. there was state pride and school pride. then came huge amounts of tv money and the competition level ramped up and schools had to ferret out the best players from all over the country. so now you have an inner city kid from back east playing at some school in a small town in texas or new mexico or someplace who picks his school by what offense they run, what is their tv exposure, do they have a record of players at my position being high draft picks, what color z28 are they offering...it's a hoot to go to say a tcu game where the stands are full of old white folks with gray hair that donate the big bucks and yuppie kids cheering on a team of players with tattoos and in many cases criminal records and with kids and drug habits to support.

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