(07-21-2014 03:08 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Thanks for the locker room material!

What a farse.

Dude, the sun comes up in the sky and you call it bulletin board material.

(07-23-2014 11:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:15 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

The three you mentioned are certainly standouts on the team, but without an offensive line and a decent defense, Broadway, McGuire, and Harris couldn't accomplish everything that was accomplished over the last 3 years. Lightly recruited players may be players who underperformed in high school, or may simply represent talent that others didn't see. To this point, I trust Hud to do the best with what he's got.

Well Q Lee and Young were the two lightly recruited players for ASU.

Remember I make it very clear that my projections are base only on a variety of recruiting rankings, and saying ASU has the best roster of talent in the SBC, is base only on the composite rankings of the players actually on their roster, vs those on the other SBC teams. At this point I don't know who their 2-deep consist of , so I don't really know if they have the best 2-deep in the SBC.

There is absolutely no doubt what so ever that a 22 to 23 year old former 2-star player that has played 3-4 years of FBS football, will probably be more than a 19 year old 3-star athlete can handle, especially in the trenches.

UL is picked #1 for a reason, but the data says their could be a kink in their armor. Think that was evident last year also.

Some of the newbies here might wonder why ASU, who has a new coaching staff and returns only 11 or so starters, is ranked so high.

uh huh

(07-23-2014 11:10 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  For the newbies here, what does the talent data say about ASU and UL.

This year, it again appears that UL is ill prepared to absorb injuries to a small number of very key players. If they do they are likely to have a precipitous drop-off in their performance in the here and now.

It also says their program is likely to have a very noticeable drop-off next year.

ASU again appears to have the overall talent to be able to maintain a reasonable level of performance even if the injury bug bites them. They should also be as good, or better next year.

Why, for only one reason, they have more overall talent.

We're doomed!! DOOMED I tell you!

In case you forgot: Seminole Indian is not an A-State fan. He is an independent "expert".

(07-23-2014 12:41 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  In case you forgot: Seminole Indian is not an A-State fan. He is an independent "expert".

For sure not an ASU fan, but pretty much considered an expert in productivity.

As I have said, recruiting is really all I focus on and I like posting where the recruiting data about the players actually on a teams roster that I use says the season should go.

Know it will be challenged, and a few will actually know something about the subject, which is a good way to find out if you are missing data about the talent at other schools.

I don't say this often, but... LOL

(07-23-2014 12:48 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 12:41 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  In case you forgot: Seminole Indian is not an A-State fan. He is an independent "expert".

For sure not an ASU fan, but pretty much considered an expert in productivity.

As I have said, recruiting is really all I focus on and I like posting where the recruiting data about the players actually on a teams roster that I use says the season should go.

Know it will be challenged, and a few will actually know something about the subject, which is a good way to find out if you are missing data about the talent at other schools.

I tend to go with people that just don't look at stars or rankings, but actually attend camps, watch film and talk to coaches. Someone like CajunT that has been covering football recruiting for over 20 years, been to a number of camps and helped run camps. BTW, highlight films are exactly that, the best plays of an athlete. What it doesn't show is the plays the athlete doesn't make, how often he takes downs off and how instinctive or reactive the kid is at his position.

(07-23-2014 06:16 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 12:48 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 12:41 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  In case you forgot: Seminole Indian is not an A-State fan. He is an independent "expert".

For sure not an ASU fan, but pretty much considered an expert in productivity.

As I have said, recruiting is really all I focus on and I like posting where the recruiting data about the players actually on a teams roster that I use says the season should go.

Know it will be challenged, and a few will actually know something about the subject, which is a good way to find out if you are missing data about the talent at other schools.

I tend to go with people that just don't look at stars or rankings, but actually attend camps, watch film and talk to coaches. Someone like CajunT that has been covering football recruiting for over 20 years, been to a number of camps and helped run camps. BTW, highlight films are exactly that, the best plays of an athlete. What it doesn't show is the plays the athlete doesn't make, how often he takes downs off and how instinctive or reactive the kid is at his position.

Exactly........spent 9 years as a Recruiting assistant and Coordinator....you can get a feel of how good an athlete a prospect is from Highlight Video but you have to have full game video to evaluate what type of player he is. Even better if you see games in person....I used to love it when a line prospect played basketball.....