(07-22-2014 08:26 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:32 PM)panama Wrote:  Which is of course his only point. We exist and that is wrong.

Actually, I readily acknowledge your existence. I'm disputing the deluded perception of your relevance. Good idea on the coasters, though

(07-22-2014 08:26 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:32 PM)panama Wrote:  Which is of course his only point. We exist and that is wrong.

Actually, I readily acknowledge your existence. I'm disputing the deluded perception of your relevance. Good idea on the coasters, though

Perception is reality. Thing is... we are relevant. Relevant enough to be selected by the Sun Belt and upgrade to FBS as a 9-13 FCS team. We're here, and we made it before you for that matter. We were relevant enough for all these college presidents to look past our record, our high school gym, our dysfunctional AD, and bring us in. I think the bigger matter at hand is that you got here after us with all your history and championships... and we are just as relevant with our 10-35 record. Now, you have to deal with a burn that just won't go away.

(07-20-2014 10:10 AM)Hammer 22 Wrote:  I'll take it. This city is waiting on a team that they can call their very own. UGA is the state of Georgia's team. GA Tech is no one's team unless you went there or your parents went there. Only a matter of time before the city fully embraces the football team. We're paying our dues now, but it'll change soon.

Atlanta is like Charlotte on steroids. The people that live there didn't grow up in Atlanta and pro and college affiliations to other areas for the most part. That said they love winners and are quick to jump on and off a bandwagon.

The biggest obstacle I see for GA St. (which many think is their largest advantage) is the GA dome. It is too big to build demand for a young program. Fans know they don't need to invest in season tickets (which makes fans much stickier). I know tarps can make the stadium smaller, but that is a band aid.

Step 1 - win
Step 2 - get a right sized stadium
Step 3 - win some more

(07-22-2014 09:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:10 AM)Hammer 22 Wrote:  I'll take it. This city is waiting on a team that they can call their very own. UGA is the state of Georgia's team. GA Tech is no one's team unless you went there or your parents went there. Only a matter of time before the city fully embraces the football team. We're paying our dues now, but it'll change soon.

Atlanta is like Charlotte on steroids. The people that live there didn't grow up in Atlanta and pro and college affiliations to other areas for the most part. That said they love winners and are quick to jump on and off a bandwagon.

The biggest obstacle I see for GA St. (which many think is their largest advantage) is the GA dome. It is too big to build demand for a young program. Fans know they don't need to invest in season tickets (which makes fans much stickier). I know tarps can make the stadium smaller, but that is a band aid.

Step 1 - win
Step 2 - get a right sized stadium
Step 3 - win some more

That's pretty much the long and short of it.

(07-22-2014 09:01 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:26 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:32 PM)panama Wrote:  Which is of course his only point. We exist and that is wrong.

Actually, I readily acknowledge your existence. I'm disputing the deluded perception of your relevance. Good idea on the coasters, though

Perception is reality. Thing is... we are relevant. Relevant enough to be selected by the Sun Belt and upgrade to FBS as a 9-13 FCS team. We're here, and we made it before you for that matter. We were relevant enough for all these college presidents to look past our record, our high school gym, our dysfunctional AD, and bring us in. I think the bigger matter at hand is that you got here after us with all your history and championships... and we are just as relevant with our 10-35 record. Now, you have to deal with a burn that just won't go away.

You do realize were "invited" by the Sun Belt after our 5th/6th NC's, right? Then our previous administration threw it back in their faces with a big fat "no thanks, the SoCon is better". That's part of the reason F_U was invited so early despite their lack of preparations, part of the reason PJ left to go to Navy, part of the reason the SBC was initially reluctant to invite us again...

Our previous administration wanted nothing to do with it as they weren't prepared to face that challenge and focused mainly on academics.

So, if you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill, then I will rebut with facts. We could have been here 10+ years before the possibility of your invite, if things even worked out the same.

Ya'll got lucky that the SBC was playing the market vs. performance for a year or two, or I'm not so sure you would have gotten the invite, especially after the dismal beginning. Your dream home of CUSA may have called because of, ya know, "TV sets".

(07-22-2014 09:25 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:01 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:26 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:32 PM)panama Wrote:  Which is of course his only point. We exist and that is wrong.

Actually, I readily acknowledge your existence. I'm disputing the deluded perception of your relevance. Good idea on the coasters, though

Perception is reality. Thing is... we are relevant. Relevant enough to be selected by the Sun Belt and upgrade to FBS as a 9-13 FCS team. We're here, and we made it before you for that matter. We were relevant enough for all these college presidents to look past our record, our high school gym, our dysfunctional AD, and bring us in. I think the bigger matter at hand is that you got here after us with all your history and championships... and we are just as relevant with our 10-35 record. Now, you have to deal with a burn that just won't go away.

You do realize were "invited" by the Sun Belt after our 5th/6th NC's, right? Part of the reason F_U was invited...

Our previous administration wanted nothing to do with it as they weren't prepared to face that challenge and focused mainly on academics.

So, if you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill, then I will rebut with facts. We could have been here 10+ years before the possibility of your invite, if things even worked out the same.

Ya'll got lucky that the SBC was playing the market vs. performance for a year or two, or I'm not so sure you would have gotten the invite, especially after the dismal beginning.

Still doesn't change the fact that in the time since we've had a football team (it would be hard for us to be invited to play football before the idea of having a team was entertained) we were picked over southern.

(07-22-2014 09:25 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:01 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:26 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:32 PM)panama Wrote:  Which is of course his only point. We exist and that is wrong.

Actually, I readily acknowledge your existence. I'm disputing the deluded perception of your relevance. Good idea on the coasters, though

Perception is reality. Thing is... we are relevant. Relevant enough to be selected by the Sun Belt and upgrade to FBS as a 9-13 FCS team. We're here, and we made it before you for that matter. We were relevant enough for all these college presidents to look past our record, our high school gym, our dysfunctional AD, and bring us in. I think the bigger matter at hand is that you got here after us with all your history and championships... and we are just as relevant with our 10-35 record. Now, you have to deal with a burn that just won't go away.

You do realize were "invited" by the Sun Belt after our 5th/6th NC's, right? Then our previous administration threw it back in their faces with a big fat "no thanks, the SoCon is better". That's part of the reason F_U was invited so early despite their lack of preparations, part of the reason PJ left to go to Navy, part of the reason the SBC was initially reluctant to invite us again...

Our previous administration wanted nothing to do with it as they weren't prepared to face that challenge and focused mainly on academics.

So, if you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill, then I will rebut with facts. We could have been here 10+ years before the possibility of your invite, if things even worked out the same.

Ya'll got lucky that the SBC was playing the market vs. performance for a year or two, or I'm not so sure you would have gotten the invite, especially after the dismal beginning. Your dream home of CUSA may have called because of, ya know, "TV sets".

so....can we like...talk about the coasters?

IJS

(07-22-2014 09:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:10 AM)Hammer 22 Wrote:  I'll take it. This city is waiting on a team that they can call their very own. UGA is the state of Georgia's team. GA Tech is no one's team unless you went there or your parents went there. Only a matter of time before the city fully embraces the football team. We're paying our dues now, but it'll change soon.

Atlanta is like Charlotte on steroids. The people that live there didn't grow up in Atlanta and pro and college affiliations to other areas for the most part. That said they love winners and are quick to jump on and off a bandwagon.

The biggest obstacle I see for GA St. (which many think is their largest advantage) is the GA dome. It is too big to build demand for a young program. Fans know they don't need to invest in season tickets (which makes fans much stickier). I know tarps can make the stadium smaller, but that is a band aid.

Step 1 - win
Step 2 - get a right sized stadium
Step 3 - win some more

Most big city schools have gone through this. When they lose nobody shows up for SMU, UH, Memphis or USF games. When they win they have 35k to 50k every game (I know most people have forgotten that Memphis used to go bowling and average 40k plus in the Liberty Bowl just a decade ago). Just do Step 1 and 3. Period. Heck, GT struggles with attendance when they lose 2 or 3 in a row. Its a city of 6M in a sunny locale with way too much to do.

(07-22-2014 09:28 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:25 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:01 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:26 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:32 PM)panama Wrote:  Which is of course his only point. We exist and that is wrong.

Actually, I readily acknowledge your existence. I'm disputing the deluded perception of your relevance. Good idea on the coasters, though

Perception is reality. Thing is... we are relevant. Relevant enough to be selected by the Sun Belt and upgrade to FBS as a 9-13 FCS team. We're here, and we made it before you for that matter. We were relevant enough for all these college presidents to look past our record, our high school gym, our dysfunctional AD, and bring us in. I think the bigger matter at hand is that you got here after us with all your history and championships... and we are just as relevant with our 10-35 record. Now, you have to deal with a burn that just won't go away.

You do realize were "invited" by the Sun Belt after our 5th/6th NC's, right? Part of the reason F_U was invited...

Our previous administration wanted nothing to do with it as they weren't prepared to face that challenge and focused mainly on academics.

So, if you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill, then I will rebut with facts. We could have been here 10+ years before the possibility of your invite, if things even worked out the same.

Ya'll got lucky that the SBC was playing the market vs. performance for a year or two, or I'm not so sure you would have gotten the invite, especially after the dismal beginning.

Still doesn't change the fact that in the time since we've had a football team (it would be hard for us to be invited to play football before the idea of having a team was entertained) we were picked over southern.

Can't say you were picked over us if we didn't even have our hat in contention for a slot. It wasn't until you guys were invited did we even publicly mention any desire to go FBS. Certain preparations were being made behind the scenes, but not at an accelerated rate.

Within a year of us even mentioning the term "FBS" in any official capacity, we were invited.

Coasters, awesome idea!

(07-22-2014 09:43 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:28 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:25 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:01 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:26 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Actually, I readily acknowledge your existence. I'm disputing the deluded perception of your relevance. Good idea on the coasters, though

Perception is reality. Thing is... we are relevant. Relevant enough to be selected by the Sun Belt and upgrade to FBS as a 9-13 FCS team. We're here, and we made it before you for that matter. We were relevant enough for all these college presidents to look past our record, our high school gym, our dysfunctional AD, and bring us in. I think the bigger matter at hand is that you got here after us with all your history and championships... and we are just as relevant with our 10-35 record. Now, you have to deal with a burn that just won't go away.

You do realize were "invited" by the Sun Belt after our 5th/6th NC's, right? Part of the reason F_U was invited...

Our previous administration wanted nothing to do with it as they weren't prepared to face that challenge and focused mainly on academics.

So, if you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill, then I will rebut with facts. We could have been here 10+ years before the possibility of your invite, if things even worked out the same.

Ya'll got lucky that the SBC was playing the market vs. performance for a year or two, or I'm not so sure you would have gotten the invite, especially after the dismal beginning.

Still doesn't change the fact that in the time since we've had a football team (it would be hard for us to be invited to play football before the idea of having a team was entertained) we were picked over southern.

Can't say you were picked over us if we didn't even have our hat in contention for a slot. It wasn't until you guys were invited did we even publicly mention any desire to go FBS. Certain preparations were being made behind the scenes, but not at an accelerated rate.

Within a year of us even mentioning the term "FBS" in any official capacity, we were invited.

Coasters, awesome idea!

Coasters are a great idea. Way to market your team. Hope you get the Turner field land and biuld your new sports complex. I just hope GS can stay ahead of GSU.

(07-22-2014 09:31 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:25 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:01 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:26 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:32 PM)panama Wrote:  Which is of course his only point. We exist and that is wrong.

Actually, I readily acknowledge your existence. I'm disputing the deluded perception of your relevance. Good idea on the coasters, though

Perception is reality. Thing is... we are relevant. Relevant enough to be selected by the Sun Belt and upgrade to FBS as a 9-13 FCS team. We're here, and we made it before you for that matter. We were relevant enough for all these college presidents to look past our record, our high school gym, our dysfunctional AD, and bring us in. I think the bigger matter at hand is that you got here after us with all your history and championships... and we are just as relevant with our 10-35 record. Now, you have to deal with a burn that just won't go away.

You do realize were "invited" by the Sun Belt after our 5th/6th NC's, right? Then our previous administration threw it back in their faces with a big fat "no thanks, the SoCon is better". That's part of the reason F_U was invited so early despite their lack of preparations, part of the reason PJ left to go to Navy, part of the reason the SBC was initially reluctant to invite us again...

Our previous administration wanted nothing to do with it as they weren't prepared to face that challenge and focused mainly on academics.

So, if you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill, then I will rebut with facts. We could have been here 10+ years before the possibility of your invite, if things even worked out the same.

Ya'll got lucky that the SBC was playing the market vs. performance for a year or two, or I'm not so sure you would have gotten the invite, especially after the dismal beginning. Your dream home of CUSA may have called because of, ya know, "TV sets".

so....can we like...talk about the coasters?

IJS

Sure. The Coasters really found their groove with Yakety Yak, but Charlie Brown is a personal favorite.

And the GSU coasters are pretty sweet too.

(07-22-2014 09:44 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:43 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:28 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:25 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:01 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  Perception is reality. Thing is... we are relevant. Relevant enough to be selected by the Sun Belt and upgrade to FBS as a 9-13 FCS team. We're here, and we made it before you for that matter. We were relevant enough for all these college presidents to look past our record, our high school gym, our dysfunctional AD, and bring us in. I think the bigger matter at hand is that you got here after us with all your history and championships... and we are just as relevant with our 10-35 record. Now, you have to deal with a burn that just won't go away.

You do realize were "invited" by the Sun Belt after our 5th/6th NC's, right? Part of the reason F_U was invited...

Our previous administration wanted nothing to do with it as they weren't prepared to face that challenge and focused mainly on academics.

So, if you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill, then I will rebut with facts. We could have been here 10+ years before the possibility of your invite, if things even worked out the same.

Ya'll got lucky that the SBC was playing the market vs. performance for a year or two, or I'm not so sure you would have gotten the invite, especially after the dismal beginning.

Still doesn't change the fact that in the time since we've had a football team (it would be hard for us to be invited to play football before the idea of having a team was entertained) we were picked over southern.

Can't say you were picked over us if we didn't even have our hat in contention for a slot. It wasn't until you guys were invited did we even publicly mention any desire to go FBS. Certain preparations were being made behind the scenes, but not at an accelerated rate.

Within a year of us even mentioning the term "FBS" in any official capacity, we were invited.

Coasters, awesome idea!

(07-22-2014 08:26 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:32 PM)panama Wrote:  Which is of course his only point. We exist and that is wrong.

Actually, I readily acknowledge your existence. I'm disputing the deluded perception of your relevance. Good idea on the coasters, though

Please keep commenting on everything Georgia State. If anything, we will always be relevant to you because you have an obsession with putting in your two cents about everything Georgia State. I tend to not comment or waste my time on things that I deem unimportant. But then again, I'm just another delusional Georgia State fan.

(07-22-2014 09:18 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:10 AM)Hammer 22 Wrote:  I'll take it. This city is waiting on a team that they can call their very own. UGA is the state of Georgia's team. GA Tech is no one's team unless you went there or your parents went there. Only a matter of time before the city fully embraces the football team. We're paying our dues now, but it'll change soon.

Atlanta is like Charlotte on steroids. The people that live there didn't grow up in Atlanta and pro and college affiliations to other areas for the most part. That said they love winners and are quick to jump on and off a bandwagon.

The biggest obstacle I see for GA St. (which many think is their largest advantage) is the GA dome. It is too big to build demand for a young program. Fans know they don't need to invest in season tickets (which makes fans much stickier). I know tarps can make the stadium smaller, but that is a band aid.

Step 1 - win
Step 2 - get a right sized stadium
Step 3 - win some more

That's pretty much the long and short of it.

Then get some big wins. Honestly, for both GaSou and GaSt Belt championships and bowl wins are not going to get it done alone. We both are going to need Boise type wins for people in any part of this state itp, otp or sticks, outside of our alumni, small percentage of locals and student to give us true respect. It does not necessarily have to be GT or thUGA but wins against them would go a lot further than most.

(07-22-2014 07:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:18 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:10 AM)Hammer 22 Wrote:  I'll take it. This city is waiting on a team that they can call their very own. UGA is the state of Georgia's team. GA Tech is no one's team unless you went there or your parents went there. Only a matter of time before the city fully embraces the football team. We're paying our dues now, but it'll change soon.

Atlanta is like Charlotte on steroids. The people that live there didn't grow up in Atlanta and pro and college affiliations to other areas for the most part. That said they love winners and are quick to jump on and off a bandwagon.

The biggest obstacle I see for GA St. (which many think is their largest advantage) is the GA dome. It is too big to build demand for a young program. Fans know they don't need to invest in season tickets (which makes fans much stickier). I know tarps can make the stadium smaller, but that is a band aid.

Step 1 - win
Step 2 - get a right sized stadium
Step 3 - win some more

That's pretty much the long and short of it.

Then get some big wins. Honestly, for both GaSou and GaSt Belt championships and bowl wins are not going to get it done alone. We both are going to need Boise type wins for people in any part of this state itp, otp or sticks, outside of our alumni, small percentage of locals and student to give us true respect. It does not necessarily have to be GT or thUGA but wins against them would go a lot further than most.

I really don't care what happens outside Atlanta. I don't need to. Nobody in San Antonio or then Rio Grande Valley cares about Houston. They will still average 35k to 40k this year. We just need to win and get people in Atlanta to come. No G5 program is getting statewide support in a big state, not even UCF.

(07-22-2014 10:02 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 07:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:18 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:10 AM)Hammer 22 Wrote:  I'll take it. This city is waiting on a team that they can call their very own. UGA is the state of Georgia's team. GA Tech is no one's team unless you went there or your parents went there. Only a matter of time before the city fully embraces the football team. We're paying our dues now, but it'll change soon.

Atlanta is like Charlotte on steroids. The people that live there didn't grow up in Atlanta and pro and college affiliations to other areas for the most part. That said they love winners and are quick to jump on and off a bandwagon.

The biggest obstacle I see for GA St. (which many think is their largest advantage) is the GA dome. It is too big to build demand for a young program. Fans know they don't need to invest in season tickets (which makes fans much stickier). I know tarps can make the stadium smaller, but that is a band aid.

Step 1 - win
Step 2 - get a right sized stadium
Step 3 - win some more

That's pretty much the long and short of it.

Then get some big wins. Honestly, for both GaSou and GaSt Belt championships and bowl wins are not going to get it done alone. We both are going to need Boise type wins for people in any part of this state itp, otp or sticks, outside of our alumni, small percentage of locals and student to give us true respect. It does not necessarily have to be GT or thUGA but wins against them would go a lot further than most.

I really don't care what happens outside Atlanta. I don't need to. Nobody in San Antonio or then Rio Grande Valley cares about Houston. They will still average 35k to 40k this year. We just need to win and get people in Atlanta to come. No G5 program is getting statewide support in a big state, not even UCF.

Same applies regardless of location you are not going to attract the non GaSt affiliated metro area football fan to give to craps about GaSt unless you knock off a big boy or two. You are also going to need a lot more than just ATL folks. I seriously doubt Houston or Cincy's stadiums are filled with a magority of immediate area locals attending from some silly romanticized notion of city pride. Probably a lot more students and traveling alumni than local non grads. Your undergrad students and alumni overwhelming come from the exact same counties as GaSou's, therefore you will face the same problem we have even after owning a division of football. Your alumni and students grew up SEC, ACC, GT and thUGA fans and until you are percieved as being in the same solar system as them ON THE FIELD you are not going to attract joe shmoe non grad football fans and continue to lose most of your own alumni on Saturdays. No location, market size or percieved academic superiority really matters on Saturday's to most folks or NY would own the market on college football but the entire state does not have one decent football team yet the po dunk towns in the South own college football on just about every level, NOT teams in big cities. You might as well be screaming about academics, market size, and the oh so important "culture" to a brick wall. When it comes to football folks follow big time winning and give two craps about your business school ranking, the "culture" of your campus, and or the market in which you play and they will still gladly continue drive the hour or so drive to Athens and or hours to the nearest SEC, ACC school and to ride those bandwagons and or skip your game to watch them on a flat screen in HD. Boise did not get invited to the Big East and or gain respect and decent following due to its, location, market size, facilities, academic standing, conference or any other dellusional reason I see floated on this board. They owned their conferece and knocked off about every big boy they faced end of story.

(07-23-2014 09:47 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 10:02 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 07:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:18 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Atlanta is like Charlotte on steroids. The people that live there didn't grow up in Atlanta and pro and college affiliations to other areas for the most part. That said they love winners and are quick to jump on and off a bandwagon.

The biggest obstacle I see for GA St. (which many think is their largest advantage) is the GA dome. It is too big to build demand for a young program. Fans know they don't need to invest in season tickets (which makes fans much stickier). I know tarps can make the stadium smaller, but that is a band aid.

Step 1 - win
Step 2 - get a right sized stadium
Step 3 - win some more

That's pretty much the long and short of it.

Then get some big wins. Honestly, for both GaSou and GaSt Belt championships and bowl wins are not going to get it done alone. We both are going to need Boise type wins for people in any part of this state itp, otp or sticks, outside of our alumni, small percentage of locals and student to give us true respect. It does not necessarily have to be GT or thUGA but wins against them would go a lot further than most.

I really don't care what happens outside Atlanta. I don't need to. Nobody in San Antonio or then Rio Grande Valley cares about Houston. They will still average 35k to 40k this year. We just need to win and get people in Atlanta to come. No G5 program is getting statewide support in a big state, not even UCF.

Same applies regardless of location you are not going to attract the non GaSt affiliated metro area football fan to give to craps about GaSt unless you knock off a big boy or two. You are also going to need a lot more than just ATL folks. I seriously doubt Houston or Cincy's stadiums are filled with a magority of immediate area locals attending from some silly romanticized notion of city pride. Probably a lot more students and traveling alumni than local non grads. Your undergrad students and alumni overwhelming come from the exact same counties as GaSou's, therefore you will face the same problem we have even after owning a division of football. Your alumni and students grew up SEC, ACC, GT and thUGA fans and until you are percieved as being in the same solar system as them ON THE FIELD you are not going to attract joe shmoe non grad football fans and continue to lose most of your own alumni on Saturdays. No location, market size or percieved academic superiority really matters on Saturday's to most folks or NY would own the market on college football but the entire state does not have one decent football team yet the po dunk towns in the South own college football on just about every level, NOT teams in big cities. You might as well be screaming about academics, market size, and the oh so important "culture" to a brick wall. When it comes to football folks follow big time winning and give two craps about your business school ranking, the "culture" of your campus, and or the market in which you play and they will still gladly continue drive the hour or so drive to Athens and or hours to the nearest SEC, ACC school and to ride those bandwagons and or skip your game to watch them on a flat screen in HD. Boise did not get invited to the Big East and or gain respect and decent following due to its, location, market size, facilities, academic standing, conference or any other dellusional reason I see floated on this board. They owned their conferece and knocked off about every big boy they faced end of story.

So you think people are driving accross texas, past the other 10 FBS programs to watch football at Houston or similarly driving from Akron or Toledo to watch football at Cincy? Um no...unless they are alumni that is totally not how things work. LOL. As for the boldened part I have zero idea where that came from or what you are talking about, You are not going to be Boise or Louisville. And I am not sure what our business school or any of the other things youre talking about have to do with anything. You are complicating things unnecessarily. Just win baby.

(07-23-2014 12:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 09:47 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 10:02 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 07:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:18 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  That's pretty much the long and short of it.

Then get some big wins. Honestly, for both GaSou and GaSt Belt championships and bowl wins are not going to get it done alone. We both are going to need Boise type wins for people in any part of this state itp, otp or sticks, outside of our alumni, small percentage of locals and student to give us true respect. It does not necessarily have to be GT or thUGA but wins against them would go a lot further than most.

I really don't care what happens outside Atlanta. I don't need to. Nobody in San Antonio or then Rio Grande Valley cares about Houston. They will still average 35k to 40k this year. We just need to win and get people in Atlanta to come. No G5 program is getting statewide support in a big state, not even UCF.

Same applies regardless of location you are not going to attract the non GaSt affiliated metro area football fan to give to craps about GaSt unless you knock off a big boy or two. You are also going to need a lot more than just ATL folks. I seriously doubt Houston or Cincy's stadiums are filled with a magority of immediate area locals attending from some silly romanticized notion of city pride. Probably a lot more students and traveling alumni than local non grads. Your undergrad students and alumni overwhelming come from the exact same counties as GaSou's, therefore you will face the same problem we have even after owning a division of football. Your alumni and students grew up SEC, ACC, GT and thUGA fans and until you are percieved as being in the same solar system as them ON THE FIELD you are not going to attract joe shmoe non grad football fans and continue to lose most of your own alumni on Saturdays. No location, market size or percieved academic superiority really matters on Saturday's to most folks or NY would own the market on college football but the entire state does not have one decent football team yet the po dunk towns in the South own college football on just about every level, NOT teams in big cities. You might as well be screaming about academics, market size, and the oh so important "culture" to a brick wall. When it comes to football folks follow big time winning and give two craps about your business school ranking, the "culture" of your campus, and or the market in which you play and they will still gladly continue drive the hour or so drive to Athens and or hours to the nearest SEC, ACC school and to ride those bandwagons and or skip your game to watch them on a flat screen in HD. Boise did not get invited to the Big East and or gain respect and decent following due to its, location, market size, facilities, academic standing, conference or any other dellusional reason I see floated on this board. They owned their conferece and knocked off about every big boy they faced end of story.

So you think people are driving accross texas, past the other 10 FBS programs to watch football at Houston or similarly driving from Akron or Toledo to watch football at Cincy? Um no...unless they are alumni that is totally not how things work. LOL. As for the boldened part I have zero idea where that came from or what you are talking about, You are not going to be Boise or Louisville. And I am not sure what our business school or any of the other things youre talking about have to do with anything. You are complicating things unnecessarily. Just win baby.

You think the Cincy or Houston crowd has a large contingent of non alumni attending due to some some silly notion of city pride? Houston has over 41,000 students and 260,000 living alumni .....that is huge and about 85,000 more than GaSt. When it comes to Akron and Toledo I hope you are not suggesting they are staying and watching those schools instead of Cincy: I also said a couple of hours not a two day drive acroos Texas. Also, are you new to the south? I have friends who drive from Bainbridge to make UGA games with FSU right down the road.

As far as the other stuff it was off topic but just some of the silly dellusional things posted of why some think their school will do better in the FBS than others. And you are right just win baby but you better do just better than beating other G5 schools like Boise did or you will never see great attendance regardless of location. We will just have to disagree on whether or not you just need itp people to be interested to post good numbers. GT has won NC's and is one of the oldest college programs in the country and never has been embraced by the ATL mainly because they are mostly thUGA fans as well.

I have actually been to a game at UH. My sister is an alum. There is nobody outside Houston Metro at those games unless it's alumni driving in. They are the third banana in the Houston Chronicle. Texas and Texas A&M rule the roost. Houston averages 33k a game. Their crowd is a mix of students, alumni and locals. I know your really don't want us to succeed but we will. :)