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RE: W&M Medical School - EVMS merger
(11-05-2020 08:52 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  
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(11-04-2020 12:44 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  So many pre-med students at W&M. Experience just isn't the same without a hospital at or near the school. Not sure EVMS is the right situation, but having a medical school would be a huge step up for us.

Not hard to find partnerships with local hospitals to bring them into a consortium for pre-med exposure (Sentara williamsburg, Riverside Williamsburg etc). Regardless, pre-med requirements for true clinical time is essentially zero. It is only recommended that you have observation time so that you know what youre getting into. It does not make you a more competitive applicant per se. Again, remember the Cornell example. Now VA Tech has a similar setup. Their medical schools are nowhere near the main campus. Lastly, 45 minutes drive to EVMS is NOT FAR!!!

I didn't read that as Tribe32 saying EVMS was far. I read it as saying having no hospital near the school wasn't great for all our pre-meds, with the implication that EVMS would be a positive change.

Wasnt trying to fight 32's comments...just trying to set the record straight on these purported hurdles.

Having a med school directly on your campus is great, but that is unrealistic given Williamsburg's small size and its location sandwiched between nearby population centers of Richmond/MCV and Hampton Roads/EVMS. If WM ever wants a medical school, EVMS is the only realistic option.
11-05-2020 08:59 AM
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RE: W&M Medical School - EVMS merger
Let me be more clear. I left out a key word in my post. I should have said "teaching" hospital. I know we already have access to the local ones, but it isn't the same as if we had a relationship like EVMS. My point about not being sold on EVMS was not about the distance. It was more about ratings, etc. Perhaps the partnership could eventually bring the ratings up. Being unbiased, it makes more sense to me for the state of Virginia to create an alignment with ODU, Norfolk State, and Maybe Hampton.
11-05-2020 09:48 AM
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RE: W&M Medical School - EVMS merger
(11-05-2020 09:48 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Let me be more clear. I left out a key word in my post. I should have said "teaching" hospital. I know we already have access to the local ones, but it isn't the same as if we had a relationship like EVMS. My point about not being sold on EVMS was not about the distance. It was more about ratings, etc. Perhaps the partnership could eventually bring the ratings up. Being unbiased, it makes more sense to me for the state of Virginia to create an alignment with ODU, Norfolk State, and Maybe Hampton.

Cant start a med school from scratch and expect it to be in the top 25. EVMS has done well for a 50 year old school. Affiliating with W&M will surely help bring at minimum, an air of improved prestige, but the ability to pool resources should help truly improve things for both. Given the way rankings are tabulated, the medical school rankings may rise without lifting a finger.

EVMS recent gains:
Broke top 50 in Primary Care
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sch...hool-04119

#89 in research
https://www.evms.edu/pulse/archive/evmsm...categories

The new Virginia Tech affiliation was with a school that was arguably worse than EVMS-
Carilion hospital
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sch...sity-04159

New Academic building, paid for largely by donation (second largest in school history)
https://www.evms.edu/about_evms/promise/waitzer_hall/

Largest donation ($15M) in school history supports new institute
https://www.evms.edu/pulse/archive/15mil...titute.php
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11-05-2020 07:58 PM
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RE: W&M Medical School - EVMS merger
Wake Forest just merged its Medical School and Hospital with Atrium as they couldn't go it alone after more than 50 years. This train left the station a long time ago and to think that WM could enter this business now doesn't make a lot of sense.



(11-03-2020 10:24 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(11-03-2020 07:33 PM)TribeDeac Wrote:  Medical School Education is terribly expensive and not a money maker. Teaching hospitals are even worse with most running operating deficits. The biggest leadership mistakes WM ever made were letting VCU and ODU spit off and become stand alone institutions. We not compete with those schools for State Funding rather than find ourself the "crown jewel" of a system of 3 campus' with 50K students. We are wise to stay away from a conversation about adding a medical school to WM.

Of course you dont make money off of the students. The money is made in scientific grants and patents as well as by the many alumni with high-incomes who can then donate back to the school.Teaching hospitals are no longer typically owned by the medical schools either, but instead have been sold off to corporate chains, who usually invest in the school and pay many of the salaries of the staff and physicians. Sentara already owns the main teaching hospital of EVMS. If medical schools are such dead weight, why does every major university in the US have one? Are we more similar to Bucknell or Duke, JMU or UVA? Talk about losing out on being a crown jewel...we are letting one of the ONLY ways "up" slip away.
11-09-2020 07:20 PM
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