There is always a big argument as to who is #2. There will be an argument and a lot of drama over #4 now. If there were six or eight it would be much the same. Someone is always going to feel like they are getting the shaft. That said... I would favor eight just to maybe give a really good G5 school a chance once in a while.

(08-16-2014 12:07 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  There is always a big argument as to who is #2. There will be an argument and a lot of drama over #4 now. If there were six or eight it would be much the same. Someone is always going to feel like they are getting the shaft. That said... I would favor eight just to maybe give a really good G5 school a chance once in a while.

The point of a National Tournament is to figure out whom is number 1.

It is much easier to say to the #9 team that they havnt proved that they deserve a shot at being crowned the national champion than it would be to tell that to the #5 school. That is especially true as long as we have five major conferences. What about any undefeated teams arising out of the other conferences?

If we stay at 5 major conferences then eight teams is inevitable.

If we are at 4 major conferences then we might see 6 teams in the Tournament but there might be an issue with payouts considering the top two teams would have a bye in the first round. That could cause a bit of an issue when figuring out overall payments to all of the participating schools and their conferences.

(08-15-2014 01:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 12:15 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:34 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Maybe I'm minority, but the absolute last thing I want in college is for it to become an NFL junior. I care more about the tradition, the bowls, and having national champions truly earn it over a whole season (meaning losses week 1 and 2 matter). I'll take a little drama and hurt feeling if it means these elements remain. Please, nothing bigger than this 4 team playoff and never any conference semi-finals.

I understand that sentiment. If fact I was quite content with the BCS. Unfortunately far more people believe that the playoff format is the only way to crown a true champion.

Actually Vandiver the playoff is a network construct that delivers 1 more weekend of high yield commercials after the New Year. The push back was growing against the National Championship Game coming almost 10 days after the New Year's bowls. Now the networks get that extension and get a hype about the New Year's bowls utilized as the playoff. It was also a compromise with the bowl system to keep them relevant.

Most years I found no fault with the BCS and it was so much better than the true beauty pageant of the rigged AP poll results it was welcomed change when it occurred.

I agree the bowl Game schedule was a disaster during the BCS era. But I think people missed on the fact that for over 50 years, polls crowned the National Champs in CFB. Regardless of its flaws, the BCS was designed to do two things; give the fans what they want while simultaneously protect the bowl system. This new system does the exact same thing.

(08-17-2014 05:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-16-2014 12:07 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  There is always a big argument as to who is #2. There will be an argument and a lot of drama over #4 now. If there were six or eight it would be much the same. Someone is always going to feel like they are getting the shaft. That said... I would favor eight just to maybe give a really good G5 school a chance once in a while.

The point of a National Tournament is to figure out whom is number 1.

It is much easier to say to the #9 team that they havnt proved that they deserve a shot at being crowned the national champion than it would be to tell that to the #5 school. That is especially true as long as we have five major conferences. What about any undefeated teams arising out of the other conferences?

If we stay at 5 major conferences then eight teams is inevitable.

If we are at 4 major conferences then we might see 6 teams in the Tournament but there might be an issue with payouts considering the top two teams would have a bye in the first round. That could cause a bit of an issue when figuring out overall payments to all of the participating schools and their conferences.

You bring up a good point here. I figured in the bye scenario that the money would be pro-rated in favor of the higher rated teams prior to the post-season starting. Say the pot is $100 million; seeds 1 and 2 get $25 million each; 3 and 4 get $15 million and teams 5 and 6 get $10 million.

I like 8 and I think that will be what it goes to.

The problem will be with who gets in. If you give 5 auto bids to the P5, then G5 will scream and cry about how unfair it is that the winner of the mighty MAC or Sunbelt doesn't get an automatic bid to a 16 team championship.

So I think you have to get rid of auto-bids completely and take the best teams. I like a points based system similar to RPI that factors in wins, SOS and where you won (home/away/neutral) I'd also favor rules that give preference to a team that won their conference over another team that did not within a certain RPI of that non champion.

That way no one an say the P5 has preference and past deserving G5 teams like TCU, Boise and Utah would easily get in under this system.

Now of course all the other P5, especially the B1G, and ACC will want assurances that their champ gets in since they're the ones most likely to be left out of a 8 team tournament. Both would have missed several playoffs in the past decade.

(08-18-2014 03:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I like 8 and I think that will be what it goes to.

The problem will be with who gets in. If you give 5 auto bids to the P5, then G5 will scream and cry about how unfair it is that the winner of the mighty MAC or Sunbelt doesn't get an automatic bid to a 16 team championship.

So I think you have to get rid of auto-bids completely and take the best teams. I like a points based system similar to RPI that factors in wins, SOS and where you won (home/away/neutral) I'd also favor rules that give preference to a team that won their conference over another team that did not within a certain RPI of that non champion.

That way no one an say the P5 has preference and past deserving G5 teams like TCU, Boise and Utah would easily get in under this system.

Now of course all the other P5, especially the B1G, and ACC will want assurances that their champ gets in since they're the ones most likely to be left out of a 8 team tournament. Both would have missed several playoffs in the past decade.

If the G5 gets a spot, all they have to due is craft a tourney to play for the spot. If the other two are at-large bids, G5 teams could also qualify for entry if they are ranked high enough. Throw a little more cash in as well and I think that would placate many outside of the P5. The alternative for not accepting such a deal would be irrelevance.

The problem with saying "The best eight teams" is that you can run into the issue of becoming a very regional national championship. It is called a National Championship because the Networks want National viewership. So SEC folks are going to have to put down the pom poms and wanting to see SEC rematches in the National Tournament.

The National Tournament is about figuring out on the field whom is the best team in the nation. It isn't about finding out who is second, whom is third and whom is fourth. So if we have already figured out the rankings in the SEC, then having multiple teams from the SEC is just repetitive. It weakens the "Nationality" of the Playoff. I am confident that these very intelligent individuals on the Committee are quite aware of this and you wont see them loading up the Playoff, even if it is expanded to eight teams, with many teams from a single conference.

You might see two teams from the same conference if they didn't already play each other during the season but the monstrosity which was the Alabama/LSU championship is going to be vividly remembered and reinforced as they are making their picks.

(08-18-2014 06:50 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The problem with saying "The best eight teams" is that you can run into the issue of becoming a very regional national championship. It is called a National Championship because the Networks want National viewership. So SEC folks are going to have to put down the pom poms and wanting to see SEC rematches in the National Tournament.

The National Tournament is about figuring out on the field whom is the best team in the nation. It isn't about finding out who is second, whom is third and whom is fourth. So if we have already figured out the rankings in the SEC, then having multiple teams from the SEC is just repetitive. It weakens the "Nationality" of the Playoff. I am confident that these very intelligent individuals on the Committee are quite aware of this and you wont see them loading up the Playoff, even if it is expanded to eight teams, with many teams from a single conference.

You might see two teams from the same conference if they didn't already play each other during the season but the monstrosity which was the Alabama/LSU championship is going to be vividly remembered and reinforced as they are making their picks.

I think that as long as we are at 4 team playoff, the committee will be have to be sensitive to that issue. But if the CFB Nat'l Championship Tourney expands then I think that issue is avoided because the conferences themselves will deal with the rematch issue by creating their own internal playoff. Honestly you could keep a P5 champs only model and have a 6 team with the G5 getting the last spot. I think that's another format that would make everyone happy.*

*Save for the B12 who while having to play less games would end up with less money due to not needing a conference tourney.

(08-19-2014 09:07 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 06:50 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The problem with saying "The best eight teams" is that you can run into the issue of becoming a very regional national championship. It is called a National Championship because the Networks want National viewership. So SEC folks are going to have to put down the pom poms and wanting to see SEC rematches in the National Tournament.

The National Tournament is about figuring out on the field whom is the best team in the nation. It isn't about finding out who is second, whom is third and whom is fourth. So if we have already figured out the rankings in the SEC, then having multiple teams from the SEC is just repetitive. It weakens the "Nationality" of the Playoff. I am confident that these very intelligent individuals on the Committee are quite aware of this and you wont see them loading up the Playoff, even if it is expanded to eight teams, with many teams from a single conference.

You might see two teams from the same conference if they didn't already play each other during the season but the monstrosity which was the Alabama/LSU championship is going to be vividly remembered and reinforced as they are making their picks.

I think that as long as we are at 4 team playoff, the committee will be have to be sensitive to that issue. But if the CFB Nat'l Championship Tourney expands then I think that issue is avoided because the conferences themselves will deal with the rematch issue by creating their own internal playoff. Honestly you could keep a P5 champs only model and have a 6 team with the G5 getting the last spot. I think that's another format that would make everyone happy.*

*Save for the B12 who while having to play less games would end up with less money due to not needing a conference tourney.

Here the catalyst for 5 champions plus the best of the G5 might well be the networks more than the motivation to keep everyone happy. The issue is to keep all the viewing areas and demographics of society energized in watching the regular season, conference playoffs (hence champs only), and the finals rather than in keeping a particular conference or conferences happy.

(08-19-2014 09:52 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:07 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 06:50 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The problem with saying "The best eight teams" is that you can run into the issue of becoming a very regional national championship. It is called a National Championship because the Networks want National viewership. So SEC folks are going to have to put down the pom poms and wanting to see SEC rematches in the National Tournament.

The National Tournament is about figuring out on the field whom is the best team in the nation. It isn't about finding out who is second, whom is third and whom is fourth. So if we have already figured out the rankings in the SEC, then having multiple teams from the SEC is just repetitive. It weakens the "Nationality" of the Playoff. I am confident that these very intelligent individuals on the Committee are quite aware of this and you wont see them loading up the Playoff, even if it is expanded to eight teams, with many teams from a single conference.

You might see two teams from the same conference if they didn't already play each other during the season but the monstrosity which was the Alabama/LSU championship is going to be vividly remembered and reinforced as they are making their picks.

I think that as long as we are at 4 team playoff, the committee will be have to be sensitive to that issue. But if the CFB Nat'l Championship Tourney expands then I think that issue is avoided because the conferences themselves will deal with the rematch issue by creating their own internal playoff. Honestly you could keep a P5 champs only model and have a 6 team with the G5 getting the last spot. I think that's another format that would make everyone happy.*

*Save for the B12 who while having to play less games would end up with less money due to not needing a conference tourney.

Here the catalyst for 5 champions plus the best of the G5 might well be the networks more than the motivation to keep everyone happy. The issue is to keep all the viewing areas and demographics of society energized in watching the regular season, conference playoffs (hence champs only), and the finals rather than in keeping a particular conference or conferences happy.

I definitely think the networks could sell the idea effectively. And even with this format, the bowl system and its profitability still survives.

Which is why I have shifted to the belief that a six team playoff will be achieved rather than an 8 team playoff. All good points and reasons to keep it at 6 rather than 8.