The Sun Belt website includes Idaho and NMSU on the members list and has their logo across the bottom. They are affiliates for 1 sport only. However there is no mention in the same area for Hartwick, Howard, and NJIT for men's soccer. Seems a bit unfair. I know FB is THE game at present for college, but it seems there could be some consistency for all 5 schools.

Did Idaho and NMSU request this (a prominent and equal part of the website.) if they were to come back in for football? Seems the SB was doing them more of a favor than those schools doing the SB a favor by joining so it seems the bargaining power would be with the SB if this was even discussed. I am guessing there is just more emphasis on Football than soccer and nothing more than that, but I thought it a bit odd and had to ask.

Well...you generally don't advertise your Men's soccer programs.

(07-07-2014 02:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...you generally don't advertise your Men's soccer programs.

That was generally my thought as well in practice, though I think all five should get some mention or none of the five. But that is just me. But I know what sport drive college athletics in most cases, so I am not surprised.

I can see your point, but you have to remember that the only reason that the conference now has mens soccer under the conference banner is because 3 of the new allsports conference members field a team in that sport.

(07-07-2014 03:20 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  I can see your point, but you have to remember that the only reason that the conference now has mens soccer under the conference banner is because 3 of the new allsports conference members field a team in that sport.

Its really more that our 3 new all sports members were left high and dry by their original conferences in Men's soccer and were facing life as independents.

We wouldn't have started the league had the SOCON not booted you and App.

(07-07-2014 03:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-07-2014 03:20 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  I can see your point, but you have to remember that the only reason that the conference now has mens soccer under the conference banner is because 3 of the new allsports conference members field a team in that sport.

Its really more that our 3 new all sports members were left high and dry by their original conferences in Men's soccer and were facing life as independents.

We wouldn't have started the league had the SOCON not booted you and App.

Going back to the announcement of the new schools, the SB did present Idaho and NMSU on the same day as they did GaSo and App as new members. Men's soccer did come a bit later after the fact of adding GaSo and App.

I would assume the main 11 schools have a say in SB matters and outside of Men's Soccer, the 3 affiliates don't have any input in SB matters, but does NMSU and Idaho have as much in matters as the other 11 schools since they are presented as a member, or it their input the same as the other 3 affiliates. Or is there a 3rd option where NMSU and Idaho have more official weight in the conf than the soccer schools but not quite as much as the full members?

Affiliate members only have a say in the sport they are involved in.

(07-07-2014 02:48 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  The Sun Belt website includes Idaho and NMSU on the members list and has their logo across the bottom. They are affiliates for 1 sport only. However there is no mention in the same area for Hartwick, Howard, and NJIT for men's soccer. Seems a bit unfair. I know FB is THE game at present for college, but it seems there could be some consistency for all 5 schools.

Did Idaho and NMSU request this (a prominent and equal part of the website.) if they were to come back in for football? Seems the SB was doing them more of a favor than those schools doing the SB a favor by joining so it seems the bargaining power would be with the SB if this was even discussed. I am guessing there is just more emphasis on Football than soccer and nothing more than that, but I thought it a bit odd and had to ask.

I am sorry that our schools logo takes up space on the SBC website and that NMSU has a page under the members list. I think once this travesty is corrected, NMSU should remove the SBC logo from it's Athletics Website. To add to that I don't think it is necessary to see the SBC logo on our field or on the FB teams uni's. All the SBC teams logos and banners that are shown/flown around our stadium should then be removed too. Maybe our football coach shouldn't go to SBC media days either. Our AD and President can then abstain from voting on FB matters. We will only mention the SBC for recruiting purposes only. I think that sounds fair and reasonable.





Seriously why publicize a conference that doesn't publicize your school? I can't believe someone actually has an issue with our logo being present on the SBC website.

FYI, NMSU and Idaho along with App State and Georgia Southern have been present on the SBC website since it was announced that the schools would be joining the conference.

(07-07-2014 08:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  I am sorry that our schools logo takes up space on the SBC website and that NMSU has a page under the members list. I think once this travesty is corrected, NMSU should remove the SBC logo from it's Athletics Website. To add to that I don't think it is necessary to see the SBC logo on our field or on the FB teams uni's. All the SBC teams logos and banners that are shown/flown around our stadium should then be removed too. Maybe our football coach shouldn't go to SBC media days either. Our AD and President can then abstain from voting on FB matters. We will only mention the SBC for recruiting purposes only. I think that sounds fair and reasonable.

It reminds me of those girls who were clearly out of my league and told me not to tell anyone after we hooked up cause they were embarrassed to be associated with me... That happens to everyone, right??? ...I'm going to go cry into my ice cream and finish watching the Bachelorette.

(07-07-2014 08:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(07-07-2014 02:48 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  The Sun Belt website includes Idaho and NMSU on the members list and has their logo across the bottom. They are affiliates for 1 sport only. However there is no mention in the same area for Hartwick, Howard, and NJIT for men's soccer. Seems a bit unfair. I know FB is THE game at present for college, but it seems there could be some consistency for all 5 schools.

Did Idaho and NMSU request this (a prominent and equal part of the website.) if they were to come back in for football? Seems the SB was doing them more of a favor than those schools doing the SB a favor by joining so it seems the bargaining power would be with the SB if this was even discussed. I am guessing there is just more emphasis on Football than soccer and nothing more than that, but I thought it a bit odd and had to ask.

I am sorry that our schools logo takes up space on the SBC website and that NMSU has a page under the members list. I think once this travesty is corrected, NMSU should remove the SBC logo from it's Athletics Website. To add to that I don't think it is necessary to see the SBC logo on our field or on the FB teams uni's. All the SBC teams logos and banners that are shown/flown around our stadium should then be removed too. Maybe our football coach shouldn't go to SBC media days either. Our AD and President can then abstain from voting on FB matters. We will only mention the SBC for recruiting purposes only. I think that sounds fair and reasonable.





Seriously why publicize a conference that doesn't publicize your school? I can't believe someone actually has an issue with our logo being present on the SBC website.

FYI, NMSU and Idaho along with App State and Georgia Southern have been present on the SBC website since it was announced that the schools would be joining the conference.

I don't have a problem with you being advertised on the SB webpage, your school is a part of the SB. But if they are going to advertise some 1-sport schools then I would think go ahead and advertise them all. What would it cost to add three more links on the drop down menu?

I assume the FB field at your school sports the SB logo, but I assume none of the other fields and courts do. That would make perfect sense. I would hope the three affiliated soccer schools have a blurb about the SB as well on their website, though they may not, I don't think the App website continues to have the logo for the SoCon though our Wrestling will stay in the Socon.

This may be the answer to my original question. Part of the agreement was to give NMSU and Idaho coverage on the web and in return both schools sport the SB logo on the FB fields. Maybe the three soccer schools don't want to spend money doing this for their soccer fields (if they have separate fields) and therefore the SB is not going to do as much in return.

I was just raising a question, no offense implied or intended.

The SoCon website doesn't list App as an affiliate member (wrestling) on their main page.

But they are consistent in that none of the 5 wrestling affiliates are listed (except in the standings.)

I noticed on the App State website the SB logo is on every page save two, wrestling and Field Hockey. That makes sense, but I also don't see a reason to not have the NorPac logo on the Field Hockey page if only that page, and the SoCon logo on the wrestling page, again if only on that page.

It is not my call and in the whole scheme of things very minor. I am just anal enough to notice. I think App should have the SB logo prominent on every page except the two sports above, and on those pages the appropriate conference logo. On the home page the SB logo could be bigger and better placed than the other two logos, but for those two teams that is THEIR conference and they should not be slighted. What Idaho and NMSU have is perfect in that the display all affiliations. (Though could drop the WAC or Big Sky on the page where that conference does not apply, but what they do is good and fair enough.)

The conferences should list the affiliated members in some manner even if they don't show the logos. The SB has a drop down list of member schools, include them all I say. The SoCon only shows the logos and does not have a list at any other location. They do have a link to goasu.com at the wrestling standings, but not the correct appstatesports.com

(07-07-2014 04:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Affiliate members only have a say in the sport they are involved in.

Am sure the three soccer schools would not vote on new Sun Belt members
but would NMSU and Idaho vote on new full members since they are only
in the SBC in football? Take it they would not, but not sure.
Would look it up but we all know we cannot....thanks Mr. Benson.

(07-08-2014 09:29 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-07-2014 04:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Affiliate members only have a say in the sport they are involved in.

Am sure the three soccer schools would not vote on new Sun Belt members
but would NMSU and Idaho vote on new full members since they are only
in the SBC in football? Take it they would not, but not sure.
Would look it up but we all know we cannot....thanks Mr. Benson.

Did some governing documents for the SB that was on the website go missing?

(07-08-2014 10:16 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:29 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-07-2014 04:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Affiliate members only have a say in the sport they are involved in.

Am sure the three soccer schools would not vote on new Sun Belt members
but would NMSU and Idaho vote on new full members since they are only
in the SBC in football? Take it they would not, but not sure.
Would look it up but we all know we cannot....thanks Mr. Benson.

Did some governing documents for the SB that was on the website go missing?

Yep.

(07-08-2014 12:48 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:16 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:29 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-07-2014 04:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Affiliate members only have a say in the sport they are involved in.

Am sure the three soccer schools would not vote on new Sun Belt members
but would NMSU and Idaho vote on new full members since they are only
in the SBC in football? Take it they would not, but not sure.
Would look it up but we all know we cannot....thanks Mr. Benson.

Did some governing documents for the SB that was on the website go missing?

Yep.

I wonder if something like this would be public records accessible in North Carolina or some other state with a SB presence through the university itself.

We'll see if there is even a a Sun Belt men's soccer conference next year since NJIT will probably join America East. Admittedly, it would be cool to swipe Kentucky and South Carolina out from C-USA, who has six members of their own (Charlotte, FAU, FIU, Marshall, ODU, UAB) and New Mexico as another affiliate.

(07-08-2014 07:19 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  We'll see if there is even a a Sun Belt men's soccer conference next year since NJIT will probably join America East. Admittedly, it would be cool to swipe Kentucky and South Carolina out from C-USA, who has six members of their own (Charlotte, FAU, FIU, Marshall, ODU, UAB) and New Mexico as another affiliate.

The minimums for an auto bid may be different than what the SB requires but at one point I thought I read on a Bubas Cup listing of points that the SB requires 4 teams to be a conf sport. We could lose NJIT and still qualify.