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Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School
Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School?
Is it because it will help the people of Virginia. Odd since LU is private, but maybe that's how it works.

http://hamptonroads.com/2014/06/assembly...-expansion

"In addition to the aborted job discussions with Puckett, Toscano said, any investigation should look at what he called questionable expenditures of the commission, including a $20 million grant for a new medical school at Liberty University, a private institution."

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(06-25-2014 12:49 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School?
Is it because it will help the people of Virginia. Odd since LU is private, but maybe that's how it works.

http://hamptonroads.com/2014/06/assembly...-expansion

"In addition to the aborted job discussions with Puckett, Toscano said, any investigation should look at what he called questionable expenditures of the commission, including a $20 million grant for a new medical school at Liberty University, a private institution."

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I don't see why Liberty being private matters. Vanderbilt and Wake Forest are private as well. Practicing medicine is a special calling in life. With a shortage of doctors looming, and the Affordable Healthcare Act effecting a doctor's ability to earn, who's going to set up in the inner cities or in rural Virginia. Students at Liberty are mission/service minded.
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RE: Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School
(06-25-2014 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 12:49 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School?
Is it because it will help the people of Virginia. Odd since LU is private, but maybe that's how it works.

http://hamptonroads.com/2014/06/assembly...-expansion

"In addition to the aborted job discussions with Puckett, Toscano said, any investigation should look at what he called questionable expenditures of the commission, including a $20 million grant for a new medical school at Liberty University, a private institution."

Last paragraph.

I don't see why Liberty being private matters. Vanderbilt and Wake Forest are private as well. Practicing medicine is a special calling in life. With a shortage of doctors looming, and the Affordable Healthcare Act effecting a doctor's ability to earn, who's going to set up in the inner cities or in rural Virginia. Students at Liberty are mission/service minded.
That's what I suspect also. However is not normal for a private school to get appropriations from their state, so has to be a reason, and that one seems most likely.
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RE: Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School
Just curious if other medical colleges at private schools started with private investments/donations and not state/government funding. I don't see anything wrong with this, but wondering if one of the VA state schools might feel slighted if they also wanted to start a medical school?
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RE: Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School
(06-26-2014 08:00 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Just curious if other medical colleges at private schools started with private investments/donations and not state/government funding. I don't see anything wrong with this, but wondering if one of the VA state schools might feel slighted if they also wanted to start a medical school?

Not sure. But I know most Virginians like I are delighted to have one of the largest private universities in the country located in the state. The tobacco allotment is designated to help the Piedmont Virginia economy.

[Image: construction-liberty-medical-school-2014...143KMs.jpg]

The first class begins in the spring.
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(06-26-2014 09:48 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(06-26-2014 08:00 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Just curious if other medical colleges at private schools started with private investments/donations and not state/government funding. I don't see anything wrong with this, but wondering if one of the VA state schools might feel slighted if they also wanted to start a medical school?

Not sure. But I know most Virginians like I are delighted to have one of the largest private universities in the country located in the state. The tobacco allotment is designated to help the Piedmont Virginia economy.

[Image: construction-liberty-medical-school-2014...143KMs.jpg]

The first class begins in the spring.

What is the tobacco allotment?
Thought the first Liberty medical students had started until saw your post then the two pages talking about it.
That is a great way to attract good medical students, to pay for their education. Seems will ensure a good medical school by virtue of such good students.
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(06-25-2014 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 12:49 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School?
Is it because it will help the people of Virginia. Odd since LU is private, but maybe that's how it works.

http://hamptonroads.com/2014/06/assembly...-expansion

"In addition to the aborted job discussions with Puckett, Toscano said, any investigation should look at what he called questionable expenditures of the commission, including a $20 million grant for a new medical school at Liberty University, a private institution."

Last paragraph.

I don't see why Liberty being private matters. Vanderbilt and Wake Forest are private as well. Practicing medicine is a special calling in life. With a shortage of doctors looming, and the Affordable Healthcare Act effecting a doctor's ability to earn, who's going to set up in the inner cities or in rural Virginia. Students at Liberty are mission/service minded.
Are they also getting taxpayer money to fund themselves? Also, does Old Dominion or George Mason have a medical school?
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RE: Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School
(06-27-2014 01:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Are they also getting taxpayer money to fund themselves? Also, does Old Dominion or George Mason have a medical school?


Don't forget we all pay taxes!

The tobacco settlement is money the government won from private tobacco companies when they tried suing them out of business. Some of the proceeds went to the farmers they put out of business and the rest is going to private sector projects that boost the local economy in the tobacco region.
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RE: Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School
NMSU has been working on getting a medical school on campus for the last 4 years, they needed 100 residency spots, but have gotten closer to 300. It will cost $50-$70 million and will be funded completely from the private sector.

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(06-27-2014 03:18 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Are they also getting taxpayer money to fund themselves? Also, does Old Dominion or George Mason have a medical school?


Don't forget we all pay taxes!

The tobacco settlement is money the government won from private tobacco companies when they tried suing them out of business. Some of the proceeds went to the farmers they put out of business and the rest is going to private sector projects that boost the local economy in the tobacco region.

Yeah remember that now. Good use for that money. Wonder if that is all of Virginia's allocation for that fund. Cannot think of a better purpose.
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(06-27-2014 03:40 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  NMSU has been working on getting a medical school on campus for the last 4 years, they needed 100 residency spots, but have gotten closer to 300. It will cost $50-$70 million and will be funded completely from the private sector.

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Four years is not too bad if NMSU is close to getting a medical school off the ground.
App State's pathetically low number of medical programs should be doing better now that they are doing an association with Bowman Gray Medical Center at Wake Forest, actually near Wake Forest in Winston-Salem, NC.
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GoApps70 It was only a very small amount. The settlement was for billions.
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(06-27-2014 01:30 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 12:49 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Why is Liberty Getting $20,000,000 from Va for Medical School?
Is it because it will help the people of Virginia. Odd since LU is private, but maybe that's how it works.

http://hamptonroads.com/2014/06/assembly...-expansion

"In addition to the aborted job discussions with Puckett, Toscano said, any investigation should look at what he called questionable expenditures of the commission, including a $20 million grant for a new medical school at Liberty University, a private institution."

Last paragraph.

I don't see why Liberty being private matters. Vanderbilt and Wake Forest are private as well. Practicing medicine is a special calling in life. With a shortage of doctors looming, and the Affordable Healthcare Act effecting a doctor's ability to earn, who's going to set up in the inner cities or in rural Virginia. Students at Liberty are mission/service minded.
Are they also getting taxpayer money to fund themselves? Also, does Old Dominion or George Mason have a medical school?

Saw an article stating that ODU did not have a medical school, had to do with ranking in R&D of schools without medical schools.
Do not believe George Mason has a medical school. Can anyone confirm or deny that?
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(06-28-2014 10:52 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Saw an article stating that ODU did not have a medical school, had to do with ranking in R&D of schools without medical schools.
Do not believe George Mason has a medical school. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

You made me curious so I looked it up. The court settlement was for 206 billion dollars. Philip Morris, R. J. Reynolds, Brown & Williamson and Lorillard were on the hook and many farmers were put out of business. Much of which was taken directly from the Virginia, North Carolina private sector economy.

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Mercer University has a medical school, however it would not have gotten off the ground without public funding. I don't recall the amount of $$ plowed into the program when it started in 1982, but they encountered surprisingly little resistance in doing so. There was only one catch, and that was the loophole that allowed Mercer the opening they needed.

At that time, the only medical schools were in Atlanta and Augusta. There simply weren't enough physicians coming out to filter their way back to the rural and underserved parts of Georgia. Mercer sold the Georgia State Legislature on the idea that they would fill that void. For the first few classes, Mercer med students were required to practice in those underserved areas.

Once the Mercer med school got established they were able to wean themselves from that mission. They still send a portion of their grads out in that manner, but it's a far cry from the percentages that went into general practice. Partly that is the nature of the profession now, I suppose. Mercer has expanded their med school to the Savannah campus, as well as Columbus, GA.

Now, UGA has a med school that was borne with their long relationship with the Medical College of Georgia (now Georgia Regents University). I don't think there will be any other public universities to gain med schools any time soon, especially with the constriction of residencies occuring in the state.
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(07-08-2014 01:55 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  Mercer University has a medical school, however it would not have gotten off the ground without public funding. I don't recall the amount of $$ plowed into the program when it started in 1982, but they encountered surprisingly little resistance in doing so. There was only one catch, and that was the loophole that allowed Mercer the opening they needed.

At that time, the only medical schools were in Atlanta and Augusta. There simply weren't enough physicians coming out to filter their way back to the rural and underserved parts of Georgia. Mercer sold the Georgia State Legislature on the idea that they would fill that void. For the first few classes, Mercer med students were required to practice in those underserved areas.

Once the Mercer med school got established they were able to wean themselves from that mission. They still send a portion of their grads out in that manner, but it's a far cry from the percentages that went into general practice. Partly that is the nature of the profession now, I suppose. Mercer has expanded their med school to the Savannah campus, as well as Columbus, GA.

Now, UGA has a med school that was borne with their long relationship with the Medical College of Georgia (now Georgia Regents University). I don't think there will be any other public universities to gain med schools any time soon, especially with the constriction of residencies occuring in the state.

Well Georgia is a state that has the blueprint on how to shoot itself in the foot with the Death Star in the name of self interest. Look how many universities in Florida have Med Schools. Instead of alumni in GA trying to stick it to their in state brethren in the name of competition they dont realize that their real competition is neighboring states.
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The problem with opening up more med school slots is that those folks have to go do their residencies somewhere. There is fast becoming a problem with smaller hospitals closing, system consolidation and additional pressure (financial and logistical) being placed on the larger medical centers. Where I work (2nd largest in Georgia), we haven't cut residency slots yet but it is happening in other places across the country where the pressures are tighter.

Add to that the influx of international students attracted to our med schools and it makes for a interesting dynamic. This year, a few of Mercer med school grads didn't get residency slots and several of the international students have been faced with the prospect of getting their degree but having to go back home before they can complete their residency. It has been favorable for me because I've been able to employ a few of these folks in jobs that 20 years ago I would have filled with folks right out of high school, due to the absence of qualified help.

I can't say if things in Georgia are better than worse than other states since Georgia is all I've known since 1980, but for certain the state politicians aren't very coordinated in trying to strengthen the healthcare infrastructure. It's a shame too, because in Atlanta, Augusta, Macon .... even Savannah and Columbus, there is a very strong economic engine in the healthcare arena and all of those leading facilities (especially the first three), have top facilities that can stand amongst the national elite.

Will be interesting to see how it unfolds in the next 20 years, as the pendulum is swinging hard and back to where hospitals employ physicians. Would hate to be a med student coming out of school now trying to make a go of it in private practice with the deck stacked against them the way it is.
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Hampton Roads has Eastern Virginia Medical School, http://www.evms.edu
Located in downtown Norfolk on campus of Sentara General Hospital.
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(06-27-2014 03:18 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Are they also getting taxpayer money to fund themselves? Also, does Old Dominion or George Mason have a medical school?


Don't forget we all pay taxes!

The tobacco settlement is money the government won from private tobacco companies when they tried suing them out of business. Some of the proceeds went to the farmers they put out of business and the rest is going to private sector projects that boost the local economy in the tobacco region.

Several hundred $billions were won in a class action suit against the tobacco companies relating to false advertising roughly 20-25 years ago. The states agreed to use the money primarily for educating the public on the cons of smoking. Now they use it for whatever their little old hearts desire. But a funny thing happened on the way to the bank that most folks don't know. To reduce tobacco production, your tax dollars were used to buy tobacco "allotments" from the farmer. These monies were to be used to pay the farmer for the loss in land value and income from the production of tobacco he would lose. The farmers collected hugh amounts from the goverment for the allotments, with these payments being more than the land value itself in several cases. The allotments were removed leaving the farmer with no allotment for tobacco. Now the real funny part? Today there is more tobacco produced than ever before. Why? After the allotments were bought, the farmer had no restriction on how many acres he could plant in tobacco (previously the allotments set the limits/pounds in production) resulting in the larger, more efficient farms placing thousands of acres more in production than ever before and the price of the crop has remained strong. The final result: more tobacco than ever from the farmer, more money than ever for the farmer, while the producer still has your tax dollars that paid for more land or benefitted him in other ways (bank, debt reduction, etc.). Great deal for the farmer, not so great for the taxpayer.
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So will taxpaying gays, Muslims, liberals be allowed to attend this school?
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