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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 04:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
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(06-19-2014 02:46 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I'll rephrase.

They're short sighted.

New Mexico State is already a FB member. UMASS is not.

New Mexico State basketball will probably generate revenue for the league and replace an important departing basketball revenue generator.
The SBC is almost always going to be a 1 bid league. NMSU isn't going to make it a multi bid league, so I seriously doubt they contribute any additional revenue. They have a solid basketball program, but it isn't THAT good. I don't think they're really any more likely to make the tournament and pull an upset than anyone else in the SBC because whoever wins is almost always going to be a 14 seed or worse. Don't win games as a 14 seed very often.

+1. They don't bring a 2nd bid so all they do is run up travel costs.

Their sub 80 RPI juuuust might be helpful

I wonder if NMSU basketball program would become worse by joining the Sun Belt. Not sure recruits would want to fly all over the country to play a bunch of football oriented schools that are terrible in basketball.

So, could we really count on them for an 80 RPI every year? Not so sure.

More likely than anyone else added recently.

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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 04:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 03:59 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 02:46 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I'll rephrase.

They're short sighted.

New Mexico State is already a FB member. UMASS is not.

New Mexico State basketball will probably generate revenue for the league and replace an important departing basketball revenue generator.
The SBC is almost always going to be a 1 bid league. NMSU isn't going to make it a multi bid league, so I seriously doubt they contribute any additional revenue. They have a solid basketball program, but it isn't THAT good. I don't think they're really any more likely to make the tournament and pull an upset than anyone else in the SBC because whoever wins is almost always going to be a 14 seed or worse. Don't win games as a 14 seed very often.

+1. They don't bring a 2nd bid so all they do is run up travel costs.

Their sub 80 RPI juuuust might be helpful

I wonder if NMSU basketball program would become worse by joining the Sun Belt. Not sure recruits would want to fly all over the country to play a bunch of football oriented schools that are terrible in basketball.

So, could we really count on them for an 80 RPI every year? Not so sure.

The first thing we need to know before expanding is if the 12 member requirement for a championship game will be lifted.

Well I can see the desire to play Chicago State, Utah Valley, Seattle, Texas-Pan Am, and Cal St Bakersfield being much higher. 07-coffee3
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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
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(06-19-2014 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 03:59 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  The SBC is almost always going to be a 1 bid league. NMSU isn't going to make it a multi bid league, so I seriously doubt they contribute any additional revenue. They have a solid basketball program, but it isn't THAT good. I don't think they're really any more likely to make the tournament and pull an upset than anyone else in the SBC because whoever wins is almost always going to be a 14 seed or worse. Don't win games as a 14 seed very often.

+1. They don't bring a 2nd bid so all they do is run up travel costs.

Their sub 80 RPI juuuust might be helpful

I wonder if NMSU basketball program would become worse by joining the Sun Belt. Not sure recruits would want to fly all over the country to play a bunch of football oriented schools that are terrible in basketball.

So, could we really count on them for an 80 RPI every year? Not so sure.

The first thing we need to know before expanding is if the 12 member requirement for a championship game will be lifted.

Well I can see the desire to play Chicago State, Utah Valley, Seattle, Texas-Pan Am, and Cal St Bakersfield being much higher. 07-coffee3

Which is why their RPI will drop whether they join the SBC or not. Point is I am not so sure you can expect their strong RPI to continue so you may not be adding a 70 RPI program as some are touting as a reason to add them.
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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
i've been listening to terry's interview a little bit more...

in basketball the presidents voted for double header games (really SBC presidents??) you want our men's teams to play games starting at 8-9 at night after the womens?
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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 05:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 04:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
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(06-19-2014 03:59 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  +1. They don't bring a 2nd bid so all they do is run up travel costs.

Their sub 80 RPI juuuust might be helpful

I wonder if NMSU basketball program would become worse by joining the Sun Belt. Not sure recruits would want to fly all over the country to play a bunch of football oriented schools that are terrible in basketball.

So, could we really count on them for an 80 RPI every year? Not so sure.

The first thing we need to know before expanding is if the 12 member requirement for a championship game will be lifted.

Well I can see the desire to play Chicago State, Utah Valley, Seattle, Texas-Pan Am, and Cal St Bakersfield being much higher. 07-coffee3

Which is why their RPI will drop whether they join the SBC or not. Point is I am not so sure you can expect their strong RPI to continue so you may not be adding a 70 RPI program as some are touting as a reason to add them.

The best case scenario for the Sun Belt is to add NMSU in all sports and add UMASS as a football only member.

Adding UMASS gets the Sun Belt from 11 x 1,000,000 to 12 x 1,000,000.

We would have 12 members in football and 12 for m/w basketball.
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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 05:11 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  i've been listening to terry's interview a little bit more...

in basketball the presidents voted for double header games (really SBC presidents??) you want our men's teams to play games starting at 8-9 at night after the womens?

I'm sure they have the idea that they will get people watching the end of the women's games and boost women's attendance. Plus I guess reduce costs. But I doubt it will be good for men's attendance. We seem to be sort of flailing around.
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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 05:20 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 05:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 04:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  Their sub 80 RPI juuuust might be helpful

I wonder if NMSU basketball program would become worse by joining the Sun Belt. Not sure recruits would want to fly all over the country to play a bunch of football oriented schools that are terrible in basketball.

So, could we really count on them for an 80 RPI every year? Not so sure.

The first thing we need to know before expanding is if the 12 member requirement for a championship game will be lifted.

Well I can see the desire to play Chicago State, Utah Valley, Seattle, Texas-Pan Am, and Cal St Bakersfield being much higher. 07-coffee3

Which is why their RPI will drop whether they join the SBC or not. Point is I am not so sure you can expect their strong RPI to continue so you may not be adding a 70 RPI program as some are touting as a reason to add them.

The best case scenario for the Sun Belt is to add NMSU in all sports and add UMASS as a football only member.

Adding UMASS gets the Sun Belt from 11 x 1,000,000 to 12 x 1,000,000.

We would have 12 members in football and 12 for m/w basketball.

Wouldn't most of the extra $1 million go to umass?
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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 01:25 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  
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(06-19-2014 11:50 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Radio interview just now stAte's AD seems frustrated that the Sun Belt won't agree to add the Aggies as an all-sports member.

He is dead on, but he, Farmer and others should have had an agreement in place with other the other presidents before agreeing to accept Southern Georgia and App. State.

USL needs to join the Southland.

Not intentional OleSleepy, I did it by phone.
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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 05:47 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 01:25 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 01:13 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 11:50 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Radio interview just now stAte's AD seems frustrated that the Sun Belt won't agree to add the Aggies as an all-sports member.

He is dead on, but he, Farmer and others should have had an agreement in place with other the other presidents before agreeing to accept Southern Georgia and App. State.

USL needs to join the Southland.

Not intentional OleSleepy, I did it by phone.

So your brain gets words backwards when you use the phone? That a new one for me!
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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 03:25 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 03:03 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 02:46 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 02:20 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Even though I am in favor of adding NMSU, I imagine they would equate addding
NMSU to adding UMass just for football. Imagine Western schools do not want
to do that, so are they stupid as you put it for that?


I'll rephrase.

They're short sighted.

New Mexico State is already a FB member. UMASS is not.

New Mexico State basketball will probably generate revenue for the league and replace an important departing basketball revenue generator.

UMASS is FBS.

FB=football

Oops miss read that.
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RE: Mohajir Emphatically Says not adding NMSU is a mistake
(06-19-2014 04:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 03:59 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 02:46 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I'll rephrase.

They're short sighted.

New Mexico State is already a FB member. UMASS is not.

New Mexico State basketball will probably generate revenue for the league and replace an important departing basketball revenue generator.
The SBC is almost always going to be a 1 bid league. NMSU isn't going to make it a multi bid league, so I seriously doubt they contribute any additional revenue. They have a solid basketball program, but it isn't THAT good. I don't think they're really any more likely to make the tournament and pull an upset than anyone else in the SBC because whoever wins is almost always going to be a 14 seed or worse. Don't win games as a 14 seed very often.

+1. They don't bring a 2nd bid so all they do is run up travel costs.

Their sub 80 RPI juuuust might be helpful

I wonder if NMSU basketball program would become worse by joining the Sun Belt. Not sure recruits would want to fly all over the country to play a bunch of football oriented schools that are terrible in basketball.

So, could we really count on them for an 80 RPI every year? Not so sure.

The first thing we need to know before expanding is if the 12 member requirement for a championship game will be lifted.
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It has been related to me by someone from another Sun Belt school other than Ga. Southern that NMSU being added in all sports, Liberty as an all sports add and UMass as a FB only add were discussed at the recent meetings around a month ago. This official told me that none of those possible additions had more than 6 yes votes. I tried to press him for what schools voted for each but he would not give me that information. He said the conference decided to wait a year or two to let the new entrants get fully absorbed into the conference before considering adding other teams.

Does that mean next year (2015) this will be addressed again or will it be 2016?

I do think the conference is also waiting to see if a championship game can be held with less than 12 teams and sometime before next Spring that should be known.
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Terry definently said on radio today he was all for NMSU as a full member in conference and also said that while he's very impressed by Liberty's budget (more than twice as AstAte's as he directly said) he didn't think they could compete immediately in conference and worried about their "honor code" interfering with recruiting at the FBS level.
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What is their "honor code" and how would it interfere with recruiting at the FBS level?
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"The university also has an all-encompassing code of conduct, called €œThe Liberty Way, which governs what students can say, do, read, and watch both on and off campus €“ and sets out a regimen of reprimands and fines for violators.
The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
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No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/11...y-exposed#
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I think it is a given that Ark. St. would vote yes on NMSU, no on Liberty and no on UMass. Who knows how other schools would vote?
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(06-19-2014 07:23 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  "The university also has an all-encompassing code of conduct, called €œThe Liberty Way, which governs what students can say, do, read, and watch both on and off campus €“ and sets out a regimen of reprimands and fines for violators.
The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
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No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/11...y-exposed#
So when Liberty visits Boone for a football game in October people should dress up as witches and warlocks.
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and maybe for extra effect have someone dress has a dinosaur and other extinct species

(06-19-2014 07:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 07:23 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  "The university also has an all-encompassing code of conduct, called €œThe Liberty Way, which governs what students can say, do, read, and watch both on and off campus €“ and sets out a regimen of reprimands and fines for violators.
The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
No R-Rated Movies, Un-Godly Music, or Immodest Posters at Liberty University
No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/11...y-exposed#
So when Liberty visits Boone for a football game in October people should dress up as witches and warlocks.
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(06-19-2014 07:29 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  and maybe for extra effect have someone dress has a dinosaur and other extinct species

(06-19-2014 07:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(06-19-2014 07:23 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  "The university also has an all-encompassing code of conduct, called €œThe Liberty Way, which governs what students can say, do, read, and watch both on and off campus €“ and sets out a regimen of reprimands and fines for violators.
The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
No R-Rated Movies, Un-Godly Music, or Immodest Posters at Liberty University
No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/11...y-exposed#
So when Liberty visits Boone for a football game in October people should dress up as witches and warlocks.
Good one. Maybe with Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble.
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(06-19-2014 07:27 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I think it is a given that Ark. St. would vote yes on NMSU, no on Liberty and no on UMass. Who knows how other schools would vote?

i think you would find many are more for waiting for Missouri State and/or EKU before even considering umass
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