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RE: Phil Steele's SBC Power Ratings
Any objective power rating system will throw out some whacky results, because there will always be results that one average mean one thing but in one particular Saturday meant that the team lost because, eg, the quarterback's mother was in the hospital and he wasn't getting any sleep that week or won because, eg, food poisoning went through the opposition team on their road trip.

That's why they threw out the outliers and took the average of the rankings in the middle in the BCS computer poll.

My philosophy is to just take any individual power ranking with a grain of salt. If it says you are going to be great, enjoy it, if it says you are going to suck, bookmark it to say "oh, yeah, suck this" if you go on to have a great season.
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RE: Phil Steele's SBC Power Ratings
(05-21-2014 08:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So having to replace your all EVERYTHING QB didn't play a huge part in the ASU offense being what it was? And just because UL-L had a major let down after losing a starting QB and let ASU tie them...

doesn't mean ASU didn't fall.

2012 10 wins 2013 8 dropping 2 more games with more returning starters coming back is a big drop.

Surprisingly no. Kennedy was more than admirable. We wouldn't have gotten where we did without him sacrificing his body and playing over his head in a style he wasn't suited for.

Harsin appears to be the sort of guy who has a style and fits his players to it. Unfortunately our players were not designed for his style. We spent a lot of time banging our head into a wall. Incredibly frustrating for all. Luckily he was smart enough to see it wasn't working and fired himself in time.

We definitely have some thin spots this year, but we still have a lot of firepower in the right hands. Whether we have the right hands is the question.

This league doesn't get easier. It gets harder each year.
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RE: Phil Steele's SBC Power Ratings
(05-21-2014 08:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 02:47 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 02:08 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 01:34 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 01:13 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I don't disagree with the method persay, but some of the results are obviously wrong. The list says Arkansas State is going to have the 6th worst offense in the country. I'd lay my house down that they won't finish anywhere near 123rd out of 128. Their team is ranked 108th and I'll call BS on that too. Louisiana's offense ranked 59th makes sense, but to rank Troy's at 84 is a mistake. Troy could lose games on defense, sure, but Troy's offense won't be 25 spots behind Louisiana's. Both are very good offenses.

Troy won't finish 116th out of 128 no matter how bad some people want them to.
Yeah, having our offense at 123 is a joke. He has ODU ranked way ahead of us. UNC beat ODU 80-20 last year. This year, the coaches behind that 80 points will be at ASU and have established FBS players to work with and ODU is in their first full year.

Makes total sense... 07-coffee3

The returning starter data is not reliable either. We are typically listed as not having a returning starter at RB. Truth is that Michael Gordon replaced David Oku with 4 games left in the regular season and ended up with almost 1000 yards of total offense and 11 TDs for the year. I don't care what ESPN thinks, Gordon is a returning starter. He was second team all-conference with only 4 starts in the regular season.

The coaching change improving the team's offense is an opinion. It may turn out to be correct, but the system the used penalizes a winning team for a coaching change and gives a bonus to a losing team making a coaching change. It's a pretty logical way to assess it.
Who said anything about a coaching change improving the offense? I happen to think that will happen for us because Harsin nearly wrecked our offense but my point was that there is no way our offense will be that BAD, not that a new coach will make it better.

We had the most players make all-conference in 2013 (12). We lost only 4 of those, including our kicker, so we return 8 who made all-conference.

We have the players but every year the prognosticators will predict a drastic fall because they are really just playing odds more than analyzing data. Our schedule is brutal though.


So having to replace your all EVERYTHING QB didn't play a huge part in the ASU offense being what it was? And just because UL-L had a major let down after losing a starting QB and let ASU tie them...

doesn't mean ASU didn't fall.

2012 10 wins 2013 8 dropping 2 more games with more returning starters coming back is a big drop.
It always hurts to lose a great player but no, that was not the problem last year and any ASU fan can tell you. We were faked out when we hired Harsin or at least didn't do our research. The offensive philosophy that had worked so well the previous 3 seasons was abandoned in favor of a more vertical passing game and a power running game. It wasn't until the playcalling duties were turned over to a Malzahn holdover that things started clicking.

To be fair, UL struggled down the stretch but didn't "let" us do anything and we happened to have lost our QB early in the game against WKU in the last game or we might have been outright champs again rather than co-champs.

All is well now that we got a fat check from Boise and hired a staff that is dedicated to the style of offense that we have been built to run.
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RE: Phil Steele's SBC Power Ratings
(05-22-2014 08:50 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 08:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 02:47 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 02:08 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 01:34 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yeah, having our offense at 123 is a joke. He has ODU ranked way ahead of us. UNC beat ODU 80-20 last year. This year, the coaches behind that 80 points will be at ASU and have established FBS players to work with and ODU is in their first full year.

Makes total sense... 07-coffee3

The returning starter data is not reliable either. We are typically listed as not having a returning starter at RB. Truth is that Michael Gordon replaced David Oku with 4 games left in the regular season and ended up with almost 1000 yards of total offense and 11 TDs for the year. I don't care what ESPN thinks, Gordon is a returning starter. He was second team all-conference with only 4 starts in the regular season.

The coaching change improving the team's offense is an opinion. It may turn out to be correct, but the system the used penalizes a winning team for a coaching change and gives a bonus to a losing team making a coaching change. It's a pretty logical way to assess it.
Who said anything about a coaching change improving the offense? I happen to think that will happen for us because Harsin nearly wrecked our offense but my point was that there is no way our offense will be that BAD, not that a new coach will make it better.

We had the most players make all-conference in 2013 (12). We lost only 4 of those, including our kicker, so we return 8 who made all-conference.

We have the players but every year the prognosticators will predict a drastic fall because they are really just playing odds more than analyzing data. Our schedule is brutal though.


So having to replace your all EVERYTHING QB didn't play a huge part in the ASU offense being what it was? And just because UL-L had a major let down after losing a starting QB and let ASU tie them...

doesn't mean ASU didn't fall.

2012 10 wins 2013 8 dropping 2 more games with more returning starters coming back is a big drop.
It always hurts to lose a great player but no, that was not the problem last year and any ASU fan can tell you. We were faked out when we hired Harsin or at least didn't do our research. The offensive philosophy that had worked so well the previous 3 seasons was abandoned in favor of a more vertical passing game and a power running game. It wasn't until the playcalling duties were turned over to a Malzahn holdover that things started clicking.

To be fair, UL struggled down the stretch but didn't "let" us do anything and we happened to have lost our QB early in the game against WKU in the last game or we might have been outright champs again rather than co-champs.

All is well now that we got a fat check from Boise and hired a staff that is dedicated to the style of offense that we have been built to run.

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RE: Phil Steele's SBC Power Ratings
(05-22-2014 11:21 AM)swampbear Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 08:50 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 08:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 02:47 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 02:08 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  The coaching change improving the team's offense is an opinion. It may turn out to be correct, but the system the used penalizes a winning team for a coaching change and gives a bonus to a losing team making a coaching change. It's a pretty logical way to assess it.
Who said anything about a coaching change improving the offense? I happen to think that will happen for us because Harsin nearly wrecked our offense but my point was that there is no way our offense will be that BAD, not that a new coach will make it better.

We had the most players make all-conference in 2013 (12). We lost only 4 of those, including our kicker, so we return 8 who made all-conference.

We have the players but every year the prognosticators will predict a drastic fall because they are really just playing odds more than analyzing data. Our schedule is brutal though.


So having to replace your all EVERYTHING QB didn't play a huge part in the ASU offense being what it was? And just because UL-L had a major let down after losing a starting QB and let ASU tie them...

doesn't mean ASU didn't fall.

2012 10 wins 2013 8 dropping 2 more games with more returning starters coming back is a big drop.
It always hurts to lose a great player but no, that was not the problem last year and any ASU fan can tell you. We were faked out when we hired Harsin or at least didn't do our research. The offensive philosophy that had worked so well the previous 3 seasons was abandoned in favor of a more vertical passing game and a power running game. It wasn't until the playcalling duties were turned over to a Malzahn holdover that things started clicking.

To be fair, UL struggled down the stretch but didn't "let" us do anything and we happened to have lost our QB early in the game against WKU in the last game or we might have been outright champs again rather than co-champs.

All is well now that we got a fat check from Boise and hired a staff that is dedicated to the style of offense that we have been built to run.

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RE: Phil Steele's SBC Power Ratings
(05-22-2014 08:50 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 08:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 02:47 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 02:08 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(05-21-2014 01:34 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yeah, having our offense at 123 is a joke. He has ODU ranked way ahead of us. UNC beat ODU 80-20 last year. This year, the coaches behind that 80 points will be at ASU and have established FBS players to work with and ODU is in their first full year.

Makes total sense... 07-coffee3

The returning starter data is not reliable either. We are typically listed as not having a returning starter at RB. Truth is that Michael Gordon replaced David Oku with 4 games left in the regular season and ended up with almost 1000 yards of total offense and 11 TDs for the year. I don't care what ESPN thinks, Gordon is a returning starter. He was second team all-conference with only 4 starts in the regular season.

The coaching change improving the team's offense is an opinion. It may turn out to be correct, but the system the used penalizes a winning team for a coaching change and gives a bonus to a losing team making a coaching change. It's a pretty logical way to assess it.
Who said anything about a coaching change improving the offense? I happen to think that will happen for us because Harsin nearly wrecked our offense but my point was that there is no way our offense will be that BAD, not that a new coach will make it better.

We had the most players make all-conference in 2013 (12). We lost only 4 of those, including our kicker, so we return 8 who made all-conference.

We have the players but every year the prognosticators will predict a drastic fall because they are really just playing odds more than analyzing data. Our schedule is brutal though.


So having to replace your all EVERYTHING QB didn't play a huge part in the ASU offense being what it was? And just because UL-L had a major let down after losing a starting QB and let ASU tie them...

doesn't mean ASU didn't fall.

2012 10 wins 2013 8 dropping 2 more games with more returning starters coming back is a big drop.
It always hurts to lose a great player but no, that was not the problem last year and any ASU fan can tell you. We were faked out when we hired Harsin or at least didn't do our research. The offensive philosophy that had worked so well the previous 3 seasons was abandoned in favor of a more vertical passing game and a power running game. It wasn't until the playcalling duties were turned over to a Malzahn holdover that things started clicking.

To be fair, UL struggled down the stretch but didn't "let" us do anything and we happened to have lost our QB early in the game against WKU in the last game or we might have been outright champs again rather than co-champs.

All is well now that we got a fat check from Boise and hired a staff that is dedicated to the style of offense that we have been built to run.

If was a 1/5th, we would all be drunk! If Terrance Broadway didn't break his arm at the end of the 3rd quarter against ULM, there would have been no co-champion.03-drunk
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