(05-20-2014 11:57 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have no problem with the way the basketball tourney was done this year and would have no problem expanding it to the women's tourney.

In softball and baseball however I favor an 8 team DE tourney-- no byes, no single elimination. I guess if the game is televised we would have to go to the 2 pods of 4 teams each and have the championship game be a single game. Honestly I would rather see 1 8 team DE tourney with no pods however.

The Sun Belt has to be the only conference in the country to have done the softball tourney like it was done this year. I say scrap that format.

The problem with doing that in baseball is you get seasons like this one every now and then. Louisiana will play ULM for the 7th time in this season. This is in no way helping our RPI at all. Now if the #1 & 2 seeds were rewarded with a bye it could prevent possible RPI killers. Also I do not like the idea of 2 weekend series against the same opponent every year. Troy and South Al have the advantage here as bot programs are generally in the top 3 in the Sun Belt and extra games against each other help in the RPI as well as give each program the advantage of just having to knock each other off instead of relying on help from another school.

I am assuming with 11 teams next year teams will play each of the other 10--- 5 home and 5 away series. You won't be playing a team 6 times.

I guess I am just old school-- baseball tournaments are historically double elimination. The only way I would support single elimination is if all 11 teams get in and the top 5 get byes and 6-11 play a single game to get into the 8 team DE tourney. 6-11, 7-10 and 8-9 play each other on day 1 in a single elimination, then those 3 winners join teams 1-5 to make an 8 team DE tourney. Other than that I don't really like single eliminiation baseball or softball tournies.

Also Louisiana actually moved up from #8 to #7 in RPI (Warren Nolan) from before the season ending ULM series to now. I know that is a function somewhat of how teams above them did but playing ULM in the season ending series actually did not hurt Louisiana's RPI as it went up 1 spot.

Baseball has to be DE. The best team can run into the best pitcher and be knocked out.

(05-20-2014 12:17 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:57 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have no problem with the way the basketball tourney was done this year and would have no problem expanding it to the women's tourney.

In softball and baseball however I favor an 8 team DE tourney-- no byes, no single elimination. I guess if the game is televised we would have to go to the 2 pods of 4 teams each and have the championship game be a single game. Honestly I would rather see 1 8 team DE tourney with no pods however.

The Sun Belt has to be the only conference in the country to have done the softball tourney like it was done this year. I say scrap that format.

The problem with doing that in baseball is you get seasons like this one every now and then. Louisiana will play ULM for the 7th time in this season. This is in no way helping our RPI at all. Now if the #1 & 2 seeds were rewarded with a bye it could prevent possible RPI killers. Also I do not like the idea of 2 weekend series against the same opponent every year. Troy and South Al have the advantage here as bot programs are generally in the top 3 in the Sun Belt and extra games against each other help in the RPI as well as give each program the advantage of just having to knock each other off instead of relying on help from another school.

We are abandoning the playing your rival twice idea starting next season.

As for the Tourney...the issue is that you have everyone voting, and no 8 seed is going to agree to a crazy format just to help the 1 seed out. Most years, we have three or four highly rated teams, and it works out more fair.

(05-20-2014 12:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:17 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:57 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have no problem with the way the basketball tourney was done this year and would have no problem expanding it to the women's tourney.

In softball and baseball however I favor an 8 team DE tourney-- no byes, no single elimination. I guess if the game is televised we would have to go to the 2 pods of 4 teams each and have the championship game be a single game. Honestly I would rather see 1 8 team DE tourney with no pods however.

The Sun Belt has to be the only conference in the country to have done the softball tourney like it was done this year. I say scrap that format.

The problem with doing that in baseball is you get seasons like this one every now and then. Louisiana will play ULM for the 7th time in this season. This is in no way helping our RPI at all. Now if the #1 & 2 seeds were rewarded with a bye it could prevent possible RPI killers. Also I do not like the idea of 2 weekend series against the same opponent every year. Troy and South Al have the advantage here as bot programs are generally in the top 3 in the Sun Belt and extra games against each other help in the RPI as well as give each program the advantage of just having to knock each other off instead of relying on help from another school.

We are abandoning the playing your rival twice idea starting next season.

As for the Tourney...the issue is that you have everyone voting, and no 8 seed is going to agree to a crazy format just to help the 1 seed out. Most years, we have three or four highly rated teams, and it works out more fair.

Tsk, tsk. Your the one that frequently suggests that the Cajuns act against self interest for some vague notion of "the good of the conference". Conference good is served by protecting its teams who are having good years.

We've been seeded all over the place and have even missed the tournament before too. But I wouldnt begrudge a conference mate who has a legit shot at hosting a regional and/or a super regional over a team that needed help to get in the tournament.

(05-20-2014 04:57 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:17 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:57 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have no problem with the way the basketball tourney was done this year and would have no problem expanding it to the women's tourney.

In softball and baseball however I favor an 8 team DE tourney-- no byes, no single elimination. I guess if the game is televised we would have to go to the 2 pods of 4 teams each and have the championship game be a single game. Honestly I would rather see 1 8 team DE tourney with no pods however.

The Sun Belt has to be the only conference in the country to have done the softball tourney like it was done this year. I say scrap that format.

The problem with doing that in baseball is you get seasons like this one every now and then. Louisiana will play ULM for the 7th time in this season. This is in no way helping our RPI at all. Now if the #1 & 2 seeds were rewarded with a bye it could prevent possible RPI killers. Also I do not like the idea of 2 weekend series against the same opponent every year. Troy and South Al have the advantage here as bot programs are generally in the top 3 in the Sun Belt and extra games against each other help in the RPI as well as give each program the advantage of just having to knock each other off instead of relying on help from another school.

We are abandoning the playing your rival twice idea starting next season.

As for the Tourney...the issue is that you have everyone voting, and no 8 seed is going to agree to a crazy format just to help the 1 seed out. Most years, we have three or four highly rated teams, and it works out more fair.

Tsk, tsk. Your the one that frequently suggests that the Cajuns act against self interest for some vague notion of "the good of the conference". Conference good is served by protecting its teams who are having good years.

We've been seeded all over the place and have even missed the tournament before too. But I wouldnt begrudge a conference mate who has a legit shot at hosting a regional and/or a super regional over a team that needed help to get in the tournament.

I'm just telling you it will never pass because no coach is going to agree to making their SBC Tourney run harder.

You guys have a regional host locked up. Its the National Seed you need help with, and that will be decided well before that final game Sunday.

(05-20-2014 05:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 04:57 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:17 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:57 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have no problem with the way the basketball tourney was done this year and would have no problem expanding it to the women's tourney.

In softball and baseball however I favor an 8 team DE tourney-- no byes, no single elimination. I guess if the game is televised we would have to go to the 2 pods of 4 teams each and have the championship game be a single game. Honestly I would rather see 1 8 team DE tourney with no pods however.

The Sun Belt has to be the only conference in the country to have done the softball tourney like it was done this year. I say scrap that format.

The problem with doing that in baseball is you get seasons like this one every now and then. Louisiana will play ULM for the 7th time in this season. This is in no way helping our RPI at all. Now if the #1 & 2 seeds were rewarded with a bye it could prevent possible RPI killers. Also I do not like the idea of 2 weekend series against the same opponent every year. Troy and South Al have the advantage here as bot programs are generally in the top 3 in the Sun Belt and extra games against each other help in the RPI as well as give each program the advantage of just having to knock each other off instead of relying on help from another school.

We are abandoning the playing your rival twice idea starting next season.

As for the Tourney...the issue is that you have everyone voting, and no 8 seed is going to agree to a crazy format just to help the 1 seed out. Most years, we have three or four highly rated teams, and it works out more fair.

Tsk, tsk. Your the one that frequently suggests that the Cajuns act against self interest for some vague notion of "the good of the conference". Conference good is served by protecting its teams who are having good years.

We've been seeded all over the place and have even missed the tournament before too. But I wouldnt begrudge a conference mate who has a legit shot at hosting a regional and/or a super regional over a team that needed help to get in the tournament.

I'm just telling you it will never pass because no coach is going to agree to making their SBC Tourney run harder.

You guys have a regional host locked up. Its the National Seed you need help with, and that will be decided well before that final game Sunday.

If the Cajuns are in the SBC tourney Chmpionship game Sunday, more than likely we've done enough over the week to get that national seed.

(05-20-2014 04:57 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:17 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:57 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have no problem with the way the basketball tourney was done this year and would have no problem expanding it to the women's tourney.

In softball and baseball however I favor an 8 team DE tourney-- no byes, no single elimination. I guess if the game is televised we would have to go to the 2 pods of 4 teams each and have the championship game be a single game. Honestly I would rather see 1 8 team DE tourney with no pods however.

The Sun Belt has to be the only conference in the country to have done the softball tourney like it was done this year. I say scrap that format.

The problem with doing that in baseball is you get seasons like this one every now and then. Louisiana will play ULM for the 7th time in this season. This is in no way helping our RPI at all. Now if the #1 & 2 seeds were rewarded with a bye it could prevent possible RPI killers. Also I do not like the idea of 2 weekend series against the same opponent every year. Troy and South Al have the advantage here as bot programs are generally in the top 3 in the Sun Belt and extra games against each other help in the RPI as well as give each program the advantage of just having to knock each other off instead of relying on help from another school.

We are abandoning the playing your rival twice idea starting next season.

As for the Tourney...the issue is that you have everyone voting, and no 8 seed is going to agree to a crazy format just to help the 1 seed out. Most years, we have three or four highly rated teams, and it works out more fair.

Tsk, tsk. Your the one that frequently suggests that the Cajuns act against self interest for some vague notion of "the good of the conference". Conference good is served by protecting its teams who are having good years.

We've been seeded all over the place and have even missed the tournament before too. But I wouldnt begrudge a conference mate who has a legit shot at hosting a regional and/or a super regional over a team that needed help to get in the tournament.

Isn’t it amazing, State fans have become experts on what is best for the conference and every other program in the conference. Chiefans is especially adept at lecturing Cajun fans and begrudgingly giving the UL program credit for any accomplishment.

To those that claim a DE for baseball always entails pods, that's not true. The SLC did not use pods when we were in it. It was straight winners played winners and losers played in the losers bracket; to return to the winners bracket. No sides.
Example:
1/8
2/7
3/6
4/5
I chose winners for examples' sake

(game 5)loser game 1 plays loser game 2 (elimination)
(game 6)loser game 3 plays loser game 4 (elimination)
2/8
4/6
team 6 & 8 sent packing

(game 7) winner game 1 plays winner game 2
(game 8) winner game 3 plays winner game 4
1/7
3/5

winner game 5 plays loser game 7
winner game 6 plays loser game 8
(game 9)2/1
(game 10)5/4
4 sent packing
undefeated 1 & 5 get a day off

Losers bracket
(game 11) 2/3
(game 12) 5/7
teams 2 & 7 are out

(game 13) 3 plays 5
(game 14) 3 plays 5
5 is out

Championship game - 1 vs 3

Don't say it doesn't happen like this because I've seen it except the 1 seed lost their first game and came back

(05-20-2014 06:28 PM)CatMom Wrote:  To those that claim a DE for baseball always entails pods, that's not true. The SLC did not use pods when we were in it. It was straight winners played winners and losers played in the losers bracket; to return to the winners bracket. No sides.
Example:
1/8
2/7
3/6
4/5
I chose winners for examples' sake

(game 5)loser game 1 plays loser game 2 (elimination)
(game 6)loser game 3 plays loser game 4 (elimination)
2/8
4/6
team 6 & 8 sent packing

(game 7) winner game 1 plays winner game 2
(game 8) winner game 3 plays winner game 4
1/7
3/5

winner game 5 plays loser game 7
winner game 6 plays loser game 8
(game 9)2/1
(game 10)5/4
4 sent packing
undefeated 1 & 5 get a day off

Losers bracket
(game 11) 2/3
(game 12) 5/7
teams 2 & 7 are out

(game 13) 3 plays 5
(game 14) 3 plays 5
5 is out

Championship game - 1 vs 3

Don't say it doesn't happen like this because I've seen it except the 1 seed lost their first game and came back

Uhh...that is a pod system.

I just used winners/losers. No, it wasn't a pod system.. Unless you consider 1 pod a pod system Seriously, I was at several of them. They didn't use pods. Just because my example worked out that way. I was just trying to get an example up.
They did, however, go to the 2 pod system in 2013; after we left. The reason stated was the possibility of the championship game getting on TV.

Dang I wish I still had a program from one of those.

With no pod system the negative is that when you get to the championship game you could see a 2nd championship game if the team with a loss beat the no-loss team in the first game.

That being said I like the no-pod system better also. It is just a hard sell if the championship game is going to be on TV.

(05-20-2014 08:10 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  With no pod system the negative is that when you get to the championship game you could see a 2nd championship game if the team with a loss beat the no-loss team in the first game.

That being said I like the no-pod system better also. It is just a hard sell if the championship game is going to be on TV.

Yeah, we had that in 2011. It was an roller coaster and a thrill all wrapped into one long day. That we won both of those games only enhances my fond memories of that tourney.

(05-19-2014 09:19 PM)CatMom Wrote:  1. 9
2. play each team twice H/A
3. who wants to play us OOC? Get top teams on the phone and get them scheduled. Get rid of non D1 games, no exceptions
4. Less teams, not more. Bye for 1st place except baseball, softball. Softball needs to cut that crap out they did this year. Double elimination like the rest of the NCAA tourney. Softball/baseball, DE. All the rest, single elimination.

There, problems solved.

1:8 games max.
2: sixteen games, figure out how to balance it.
3: No non division one teams seems fine to say, but getting those teams is not, unless you want to be road warriors.
4: Softball has an ideal set up. Weak teams get an opportunity, one opportunity. This protects the doers. UL got a national seed because it was that close. Playing some really bad teams would have killed our RPI, and no doubt softball follows RPI almost exclusively. SEC also today is playing single elimination for the weaker team. Baseball needs this format just like softball did. ULM has no business getting two loses.

So softball is:

G1: #6 v #7 (Single Elimination)
G2: #5 v #8 (Single Elimination)

G3: W1 v #3
G4: W2 v #4

G5: W3 v #1
G6: W4 v #2

G7: L5 v L6
G8: W5 v W6
G9: W7 v L8

G10: W8 v W9 (Winner take all)

But that is for eight softball teams, with the single elimination round basically fitting eight teams into a six team bracket. The equivalent of that first round for an 11 team baseball conference is indeed the the system where #6-#11 play three single elimination games and then are seeded into spots #6, #7 and #8 into some eight team bracket.

If y'all want to be innovative once its down to eight teams, go for it.

(05-20-2014 06:43 PM)CatMom Wrote:  I just used winners/losers. No, it wasn't a pod system.. Unless you consider 1 pod a pod system Seriously, I was at several of them. They didn't use pods. Just because my example worked out that way. I was just trying to get an example up.
They did, however, go to the 2 pod system in 2013; after we left. The reason stated was the possibility of the championship game getting on TV.

Dang I wish I still had a program from one of those.

Southland was using a pod system in 2012...last year you were in the league. Must have changed it after 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Southl...Tournament