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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
I say forget JMU. They can stay in the CAA with such juggernauts as Elon and Albany.

I do believe many SBC schools however expected JMU to join.
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(05-15-2014 09:05 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Liberty does not make us look bad but JMU thumbing their noses at the Sun Belt does. JMU was who we wanted as #12 and they just weren't interested.
AKA held the sbc hostage for 2 years. JMU must knew the sbc had no school to join if JMU said no. JMU could hold out longer because sbc will always be there waiting.
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(05-15-2014 09:10 PM)panama Wrote:  
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(05-15-2014 09:05 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Liberty does not make us look bad but JMU thumbing their noses at the Sun Belt does. JMU was who we wanted as #12 and they just weren't interested.

But that would still give the SBC a CCG, which apparently is now something to be avoided because 1 team will lose!03-weeping

To be clear, the decision made is that it's not worth adding Liberty just to get a championship game which is not the same thing.

I believe panic has set in with nasty lash-out going on.

AState is one vote. Takes two more to block a team.

And the response is straight from the political war room.

Some way or another, we don't want to add a member whose only value is a title game is being spun into "being afraid of title game".

It's trashy and low class. I've been agnostic on Liberty but my mind is firmly made up after this trash.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
(05-15-2014 09:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 08:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not convinced this is the true feeling of the Sun Belt Conference,
but if it is then we will have a perception of being with a bunch of scared administrators.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. You cannot hope to compete
in the four team playoff or have any chance of getting in without
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Unbelievable.

So just any toad that hops up should be admitted?

Liberty tried for years to get in the Southern. Why weren't they admitted?

Did App advocate for Liberty?

Are we that screwed up of a league that we will take a team that the Southern turned down just for the magic number 12?

Hell let's just take anyone who applies, saves the trouble of bothering to evaluate them.

Unbelievable.
Who said anything about adding just anyone?
Or anything about adding Liberty? Not once did
I mention that. You are crediting me with other people's posts.
You are way off base on what you are assuming.

If you are too scared to want a championship game,
just tell us.
It's OK. You can tell us.
(now is that what you were talking about?)
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(05-15-2014 09:37 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I say forget JMU. They can stay in the CAA with such juggernauts as Elon and Albany.

I do believe many SBC schools however expected JMU to join.

I would say the door is officially closed on JMU, short of JMU approaching the Sun Belt and asking for an invite.
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70 would you rather them come out and alienate fanbases of those available or take the high road?

No one is scared, they are running a business. The assets available for acquisition do not produce returns great enough to justify their addition.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
(05-15-2014 09:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:10 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:07 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:05 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Liberty does not make us look bad but JMU thumbing their noses at the Sun Belt does. JMU was who we wanted as #12 and they just weren't interested.

But that would still give the SBC a CCG, which apparently is now something to be avoided because 1 team will lose!03-weeping

To be clear, the decision made is that it's not worth adding Liberty just to get a championship game which is not the same thing.

I believe panic has set in with nasty lash-out going on.

AState is one vote. Takes two more to block a team.

And the response is straight from the political war room.

Some way or another, we don't want to add a member whose only value is a title game is being spun into "being afraid of title game".

It's trashy and low class. I've been agnostic on Liberty but my mind is firmly made up after this trash.

It wasn't an LU poster who brought it up. I believe it was a SBC AD who said a CCG was wrought with danger. And he's being rightly castigated for it. If the SBC doesn't want LU than fine, say that. He would take a lot less abuse.
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(05-15-2014 09:13 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I am not pessimistic about the Sun Belt however. If JMU didn't want to join, so be it.

I am a firm believer that the Sun Belt has good football and I remain convinced that us and App will make it better -- it just make take us a couple of years to get up to speed. Louisiana and Ark. St. are very good teams and teams like South Alabama, Texas St., Troy and ULM are also on the upswing. I also believe Ga. State has a good coach and better days are ahead for them. Idaho and NMSU -- I just don't know much about. But all in all I see no reason why the Sun Belt cannot continue to get better and better.

Let me expand a bit.

ULM used to concern me but the early signs from their new AD encourage me greatly, Staub was a good guy but he lacked the vision thing. When I walk into an old house I see an old cruddy house, my cousin sees things he can do to make it a highly desired home. ULM seems to have hired a person who understands changing culture and thinking big.

Georgia State, I have no idea if they can be a hit at the box office but they will improve their roster and they will be much more competitive.

Never had a single worry about GaSo or App from the day announced. They may have growing pains but the fans won't tolerate letting the program slip and the admins have demonstrated they can run a successful program.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
I think the door is closed on JMU for sure and I also think it is closed on Liberty. We have had 2 years to add Liberty if the votes were there. It is very obvious that the votes are not there. UMass doesn't have the votes either.

So we go forward with 11. In a few years Eastern Kentucky or possible Missouri St. could be the 12th.
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(05-15-2014 09:51 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I think the door is closed on JMU for sure and I also think it is closed on Liberty. We have had 2 years to add Liberty if the votes were there. It is very obvious that the votes are not there. UMass doesn't have the votes either.

So we go forward with 11. In a few years Eastern Kentucky or possible Missouri St. could be the 12th.

In truth, the door will never be closed on Liberty until the spot is taken.

Liberty is the ugly girl at the dance. The Sun Belt can walk past her trying to get someone else to dance with us all night long, but she'll still be there waiting, hoping that the Sun Belt invites her onto the floor.
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(05-15-2014 09:35 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 07:41 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 07:39 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 06:57 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  Read the comments closely. This is one AD saying he is afraid of competition and doesn't want another home game during a good season because he is afraid of an upset. I'm so glad that A-State speaks for the entire league and has declared the search over... And that the conference has no interest in a championship game even if we can have one with 11 schools.

A CCG has cost CUSA and the MAC a BCS bowl game before. Unless there is money gained from a CCG then why have one?

Wow. Just wow. If that is the way the SBC thinks I'm glad JMU took a pass. Those teams wouldn't have gone BCS Bowling without of CCG. The fact they lost speaks more about the actual quality of the MAC and CUSA teams than anything else.

Wow. Just wow. If that's how JMU thinks glad you took a pass as well. NIU had the BCS locked up last year and lost their title game. Houston had it locked up three years ago and lost their title game.

$6 million loss to each conference plus massive publicity.

Here's what is the true joke in this.

JMU didn't join the Sun Belt because your school didn't want to rub elbows with "inferior" programs but you think we should lower our standards and take a program that isn't up to snuff just for the sake of a title game that is just as likely to hurt the league as help it, but saddle us with a team we aren't in agreement should even be in the league.

JMU gets to take pass on the Sun Belt because we aren't worthy of your presence but if we don't act like $20 hookers for the sake of a title game there is something wrong with us?

And if they'd have won....... You know it's why you play the game. JMU was right in their read of the SBC if this is truly the reason. Could have proved em wrong, but guess they don't have it in em to be anything other than parochial. All the off field crap that was spouted about LU doesn't make any difference. The SBC whiffed on their 1 and 2 choices and lost a chance to at least be relevant. Say what you will but in this day and age whe every other conference has a CCG and you don't.....well

I've got tickets for the Big XII title game to sell you.

Big XII doesn't have a title game because so far they've not found two teams they want to add.

Sun Belt so far doesn't have a title game because we've not found a team we want to add.

You are spinning crap because you are mad that there are apparently not 9 schools willing to vote for Liberty and you are being dishonest in your claims.
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(05-15-2014 09:47 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:37 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I say forget JMU. They can stay in the CAA with such juggernauts as Elon and Albany.

I do believe many SBC schools however expected JMU to join.

I would say the door is officially closed on JMU, short of JMU approaching the Sun Belt and asking for an invite.

Haha, you wanna bet. SBC choose no one, next year everyone including sbc will be begging jmu much like this year.
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Big XII > SBC. So that's not really a good comparison. They don't need a CCG at this point because they have 1 or 2 teams that are household names.
As for upset LU isn't in you are wrong. As I said if you didn't want them then come out and say it. Don't hide behind a lame 'We might ruin a special season with a CCG upset' excuse.
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(05-15-2014 09:45 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 08:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not convinced this is the true feeling of the Sun Belt Conference,
but if it is then we will have a perception of being with a bunch of scared administrators.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. You cannot hope to compete
in the four team playoff or have any chance of getting in without
going for the Hail Mary. You don't hit a home run by bunting.
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Unbelievable.

So just any toad that hops up should be admitted?

Liberty tried for years to get in the Southern. Why weren't they admitted?

Did App advocate for Liberty?

Are we that screwed up of a league that we will take a team that the Southern turned down just for the magic number 12?

Hell let's just take anyone who applies, saves the trouble of bothering to evaluate them.

Unbelievable.
Who said anything about adding just anyone?
Or anything about adding Liberty? Not once did
I mention that. You are crediting me with other people's posts.
You are way off base on what you are assuming.

If you are too scared to want a championship game,
just tell us.
It's OK. You can tell us.
(now is that what you were talking about?)

You are the one off base. AState's AD doesn't want to add a team for the sake of adding a team to get a title game. He's said numerous times before that he wants to expand with the right team but you are spinning this into a lie of being afraid of a title game.

How do you get this attack you are making out of the money doesn't warrant adding just anyone into being afraid of a title game. That's Chief's spin not the AD but keep making crap up if makes you feel better.
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(05-15-2014 09:58 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  Big XII > SBC. So that's not really a good comparison. They don't need a CCG at this point because they have 1 or 2 teams that are household names.
As for upset LU isn't in you are wrong. As I said if you didn't want them then come out and say it. Don't hide behind a lame 'We might ruin a special season with a CCG upset' excuse.

Fine I will say it they don't want you
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(05-15-2014 09:50 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  70 would you rather them come out and alienate fanbases of those available or take the high road?

No one is scared, they are running a business. The assets available for acquisition do not produce returns great enough to justify their addition.

You know I agree with most of what you are saying. And the CCG is full of possibilities of a good team losing. However when your intent is to gain a spot for a national four team playoff, you have to go for it all. Half way will not get it done.
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(05-15-2014 09:58 PM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:47 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:37 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I say forget JMU. They can stay in the CAA with such juggernauts as Elon and Albany.

I do believe many SBC schools however expected JMU to join.

I would say the door is officially closed on JMU, short of JMU approaching the Sun Belt and asking for an invite.

Haha, you wanna bet. SBC choose no one, next year everyone including sbc will be begging jmu much like this year.

When did doing due diligence become begging.
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(05-15-2014 09:51 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:10 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:07 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:05 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Liberty does not make us look bad but JMU thumbing their noses at the Sun Belt does. JMU was who we wanted as #12 and they just weren't interested.

But that would still give the SBC a CCG, which apparently is now something to be avoided because 1 team will lose!03-weeping

To be clear, the decision made is that it's not worth adding Liberty just to get a championship game which is not the same thing.

I believe panic has set in with nasty lash-out going on.

AState is one vote. Takes two more to block a team.

And the response is straight from the political war room.

Some way or another, we don't want to add a member whose only value is a title game is being spun into "being afraid of title game".

It's trashy and low class. I've been agnostic on Liberty but my mind is firmly made up after this trash.

It wasn't an LU poster who brought it up. I believe it was a SBC AD who said a CCG was wrought with danger. And he's being rightly castigated for it. If the SBC doesn't want LU than fine, say that. He would take a lot less abuse.

Back to the actual quote.
Mohajir: "Unless there's a huge financial windfall, I don't see what the purpose of having a game just to have a game."

The only "heat" is from dishonestly trying to spin it in to saying, we don't want a title game because we are afraid of the possible result when it is very clear adding a team that has little or no value to the league except triggering a title is what he opposes and even then would support it if the value of a title game was really large.
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(05-15-2014 10:03 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 09:50 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  70 would you rather them come out and alienate fanbases of those available or take the high road?

No one is scared, they are running a business. The assets available for acquisition do not produce returns great enough to justify their addition.

You know I agree with most of what you are saying. And the CCG is full of possibilities of a good team losing. However when your intent is to gain a spot for a national four team playoff, you have to go for it all. Half way will not get it done.

I dislike quick fixes, UMass or Liberty is a quick fix not a long term growth strategy. Wait for the right 12th or even better a ruling to allow a CCG without 12.
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Troy Schulte ‏@TroySchulteADG · 17m
Mohajir also stood firm on his stance against a champ. game for football, citing losses by Ohio State and Northern Illinois in 2013.

His words. Not mine.
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