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RE: Would you rather - Heisman, NC, or P5
(05-07-2014 05:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Kill the Heisman, **** the NC, marry the P5.

That's how this works, right?

That might have been a better question.

Kill
Marry
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The best pick for you as an individual fan is obviously the NC, if you have the best interest of your program in mind, it's the P5 invite and it's not close.
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(05-07-2014 05:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Kill the Heisman, **** the NC, marry the P5.

That's how this works, right?


The Heisman is the dude at the table, the NC is the slutty hot chick, and the P5 is the girl at the table you secretly have a crush on.
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Would you rather - Heisman, NC, or P5
National title hands down. I could care less about the heisman. The power 5 is intriguing, sure it would put you with the top dogs, but wouldn't winning a title do that as well?
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(05-08-2014 12:37 AM)bamaEagle Wrote:  National title hands down. I could care less about the heisman. The power 5 is intriguing, sure it would put you with the top dogs, but wouldn't winning a title do that as well?

Again, ask BYU.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_BYU_...tball_team

P5 is worth easily well over $100 million a decade at minimum.

Ask yourself this question, do you really believe Boise would be in a P5 conference had they just won a national championship? Because two BCS bowls in three years is what? Small time?

A national championship guarantees you nothing beyond the one title, the one big payday, the one crystal football. Don't get me wrong, all those things are great, but suppose you win that title and over the next decade you make a few more major bowl games, but never get back in the playoff and at the decade you take a step back and end up 6-6 and a decade removed from your title. And no other sports have reaped the benefits, your MBB team has made one NCAA tournament and two NIT appearances.

P5 membership at the end of the decade you've brought in well over $100 million, maybe over $200 million and your MBB team has made three NCAA tournaments and 5 NIT's.

The P5 invite is worth exponentially more in guaranteed tangible benefits.
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college football in 1984 I don't think was near the revenue and money maker, and attention getter it is today. So I don't think you can really compare BYU winning one in 84 to winning one today.
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IF every conference has a legit shot at the playoff (conference champ goes to playoffs) and you win a NC and are competing for one on a regular basis then getting into a P5 doesn't matter as much. Yes the money would be better, but you obviously don't need it if you are already competing at that level. Also, like others have said, if you win a NC then the P5's will coming knocking at your door. Winning a NC would also raise donation and ticket sales giving you a lot of added funding (which is even more important to P5 conferences, they want numbers).
People might cite BYU or Boise, but neither team has one a NC in recent times or ever. So I would ask if you'd rather be a bottom level P5 school that never competes (but hey we got the money), or a G5 school that competes for a NC on a regular basis?

You win a NC and are regularly a top 10 team then all else will follow. You will get that Heisman player, you will get that invite, you will get the money, etc....
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Being in a P5 conference raises the national visibility.

This results in better TV revenues, and access to better paying/exposure on bowls.
It also results in more hits on ESPN.

The above things help sustain donations and attendance more than a one off NC year.

Remember, the question is do you want A (as in singular) National Championship, A (as in singular) Heisman winner, or a seat at P5.

The first two are immediate gratifications. The last? It's like herpes. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
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(05-08-2014 08:35 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Being in a P5 conference raises the national visibility.

This results in better TV revenues, and access to better paying/exposure on bowls.
It also results in more hits on ESPN.

The above things help sustain donations and attendance more than a one off NC year.

Remember, the question is do you want A (as in singular) National Championship, A (as in singular) Heisman winner, or a seat at P5.

The first two are immediate gratifications. The last? It's like herpes. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

All true, but I was just putting a little twist on the question. IF it is just a one time NC and your school never competes again, then I'd take the P5. But IF you are competing each year for a NC, then all the other things will come to you. You will get the ESPN coverage, your school's name will be out there, you will get the big time recruits which leads to a potential Heisman, you'll get that P5 invite (or just continue winning without them).
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(05-08-2014 01:45 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-08-2014 12:37 AM)bamaEagle Wrote:  National title hands down. I could care less about the heisman. The power 5 is intriguing, sure it would put you with the top dogs, but wouldn't winning a title do that as well?

Again, ask BYU.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_BYU_...tball_team

P5 is worth easily well over $100 million a decade at minimum.

Ask yourself this question, do you really believe Boise would be in a P5 conference had they just won a national championship? Because two BCS bowls in three years is what? Small time?

A national championship guarantees you nothing beyond the one title, the one big payday, the one crystal football. Don't get me wrong, all those things are great, but suppose you win that title and over the next decade you make a few more major bowl games, but never get back in the playoff and at the decade you take a step back and end up 6-6 and a decade removed from your title. And no other sports have reaped the benefits, your MBB team has made one NCAA tournament and two NIT appearances.

P5 membership at the end of the decade you've brought in well over $100 million, maybe over $200 million and your MBB team has made three NCAA tournaments and 5 NIT's.

The P5 invite is worth exponentially more in guaranteed tangible benefits.

I can agree with that. There are good points for each side of the argument. In all reality I would not complain if any of those three happened to GS.
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P5 no question! In todays version of college athletics you cannot achieve numbers 1 & 2 without being in the P5.
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lol. the question is basically this

"do you think winning a national championship will get you a p5 invite, or will being in a p5 get you to a NC"
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(05-08-2014 01:45 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-08-2014 12:37 AM)bamaEagle Wrote:  National title hands down. I could care less about the heisman. The power 5 is intriguing, sure it would put you with the top dogs, but wouldn't winning a title do that as well?

Again, ask BYU.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_BYU_...tball_team

P5 is worth easily well over $100 million a decade at minimum.

Ask yourself this question, do you really believe Boise would be in a P5 conference had they just won a national championship? Because two BCS bowls in three years is what? Small time?

A national championship guarantees you nothing beyond the one title, the one big payday, the one crystal football. Don't get me wrong, all those things are great, but suppose you win that title and over the next decade you make a few more major bowl games, but never get back in the playoff and at the decade you take a step back and end up 6-6 and a decade removed from your title. And no other sports have reaped the benefits, your MBB team has made one NCAA tournament and two NIT appearances.

P5 membership at the end of the decade you've brought in well over $100 million, maybe over $200 million and your MBB team has made three NCAA tournaments and 5 NIT's.

The P5 invite is worth exponentially more in guaranteed tangible benefits.

I would take #3

but all of those millions of extra dollars from being in a P5 is still overrated because it's all spent trying to compete with the top dogs. The real money is made from tickets/donations .

Memphis, Cinn, UNLV, Uconn all have larger budgets than some P5 schools

But across the board your tickets/donations will increase more from having those P5 schools at home in football and basketball (assuming you are not a bottom feeder) than you would get from the NC.

Throw in a NC in basketball with the football NC and I'm taking #2 no matter if it's not best for the program.
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(05-07-2014 03:47 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The only right answer is 3 if your eyes are on the big picture.

Getting into a P5 conference is worth exponentially more in the long run and benefits your entire athletic department.

One isolated national championship in football doesn't guarantee you much of anything beyond that one championship and you'd probably take home more money in your P5 conference tv money in just a few years than your one time pay out from the NC and you're making that tv money every single year and it is probably only going to go up over time. Your one NC probably costs you your head coach who presumably had a lot to do with it, five or ten years down the road you're probably only slightly better off than you are now.

You go from a perennial 1 bid MBB league to probably being guaranteed getting in to the big dance more often than not if you can simply reach 20 wins.

It's easy to get caught up in the fantasy of your team winning a national championship, but it's a shortsighted choice.

Agreed, I'd equate it to our Michigan win. Probably the most recognition we could have had at the FCS level, but long term it is just a point in time with quickly diminishing returns (unfortunately there was an FBS moratorium at the time).

A seat at the P5 table would raise all ships periodically.
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(05-08-2014 09:34 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  lol. the question is basically this

"do you think winning a national championship will get you a p5 invite, or will being in a p5 get you to a NC"

I'd rather be P5 and never win a national championship than win the NC and never be in a P5 conference. All you have to do is drive 6 miles down the road from UIdaho to see what P5 money does. Even bottom dwellers like Wazzu are making constant upgrades to their facilities. They nab good coaches and recruits. The university as a whole benefits from the exposure. Schools like Boise State have don't even catch a glimpse of that kind of money, despite consistent success.
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(05-08-2014 01:59 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(05-08-2014 09:34 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  lol. the question is basically this

"do you think winning a national championship will get you a p5 invite, or will being in a p5 get you to a NC"

I'd rather be P5 and never win a national championship than win the NC and never be in a P5 conference.

Very well said.
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(05-08-2014 07:18 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  college football in 1984 I don't think was near the revenue and money maker, and attention getter it is today. So I don't think you can really compare BYU winning one in 84 to winning one today.

In many ways you're right, but again, most people are saying a national championship is your ticket to the P5 and 30 years later, BYU is still on the outside looking in.
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(05-08-2014 10:49 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-08-2014 01:45 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-08-2014 12:37 AM)bamaEagle Wrote:  National title hands down. I could care less about the heisman. The power 5 is intriguing, sure it would put you with the top dogs, but wouldn't winning a title do that as well?

Again, ask BYU.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_BYU_...tball_team

P5 is worth easily well over $100 million a decade at minimum.

Ask yourself this question, do you really believe Boise would be in a P5 conference had they just won a national championship? Because two BCS bowls in three years is what? Small time?

A national championship guarantees you nothing beyond the one title, the one big payday, the one crystal football. Don't get me wrong, all those things are great, but suppose you win that title and over the next decade you make a few more major bowl games, but never get back in the playoff and at the decade you take a step back and end up 6-6 and a decade removed from your title. And no other sports have reaped the benefits, your MBB team has made one NCAA tournament and two NIT appearances.

P5 membership at the end of the decade you've brought in well over $100 million, maybe over $200 million and your MBB team has made three NCAA tournaments and 5 NIT's.

The P5 invite is worth exponentially more in guaranteed tangible benefits.

I would take #3

but all of those millions of extra dollars from being in a P5 is still overrated because it's all spent trying to compete with the top dogs. The real money is made from tickets/donations .

Memphis, Cinn, UNLV, Uconn all have larger budgets than some P5 schools

All those extra millions of dollars will go to trying to compete, but that doesn't mean the money isn't a great thing. Think of all your athletic program's wishlist items right now, the P5 money would probably take care of all your current wish list items into a reality within a decade and make the fantasy wish list possible down the road.
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(05-08-2014 03:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-08-2014 07:18 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  college football in 1984 I don't think was near the revenue and money maker, and attention getter it is today. So I don't think you can really compare BYU winning one in 84 to winning one today.

In many ways you're right, but again, most people are saying a national championship is your ticket to the P5 and 30 years later, BYU is still on the outside looking in.

Let us not forget that, unlike Boise, BYU is not a one trick pony. They have achieved a moderately high level of success in several sports, not just football. But after 30 years... there they are.. outside.
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(05-08-2014 07:59 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  IF every conference has a legit shot at the playoff (conference champ goes to playoffs) and you win a NC and are competing for one on a regular basis then getting into a P5 doesn't matter as much. Yes the money would be better, but you obviously don't need it if you are already competing at that level. Also, like others have said, if you win a NC then the P5's will coming knocking at your door. Winning a NC would also raise donation and ticket sales giving you a lot of added funding (which is even more important to P5 conferences, they want numbers).
People might cite BYU or Boise, but neither team has one a NC in recent times or ever. So I would ask if you'd rather be a bottom level P5 school that never competes (but hey we got the money), or a G5 school that competes for a NC on a regular basis?

You win a NC and are regularly a top 10 team then all else will follow. You will get that Heisman player, you will get that invite, you will get the money, etc....

First of all Boise doesn't have a national title, you are correct, but they have two BCS appearances and averaged what? 11 or 12 wins for a decade? How many Pac 12 or Big XII programs are nowhere near that and Boise hasn't so much as sniffed an invite. A national title for Boise would not make a difference, they'd still be in the MWC.

You're also extrapolating big time, the question was ONE national title, not perennial top ten, not multiple national titles, one. If 90% of G5 programs won a football national championship, they wouldn't get a P5 invite out of it. Think about it logically, if you win that title as a G5 member you probably have a senior laden team, so you're probably replacing at least half your starters the following season, you're almost definitely replacing your coach, so you're taking a step back the next season and I'm sorry but one national title isn't going to have 5 star or probably even 4 star recruits knocking on your door either, especially when the coach that won you that title is likely gone. There would be a bump in recruiting for sure, but not enough to make you a perennial top ten.

Put it in to real world context, if Georgia Southern won a FBS title in 2016, what P5 conference is inviting you? The SEC? Not a chance, even if the other members voted yes, Georgia would have veto power.The ACC? With your academics(same goes for my alma mater so don't take it as an insult) and MBB, not a chance.

If Georgia Southern won a national title in football, your invites would probably be full membership to CUSA or football only to the AAC, one title isnt taking you to the promised land I promise you that.
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