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(04-29-2014 09:17 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:11 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  Liberty may be in play, but only as the fall back in UMass doesn't work out. I'm sure negotiations are on going between UMass and the SB, but that doesn't mean it is a done deal. There could be issues with revenue arrangements, tie ins for basketball, or buyouts that stop the deal from going through. UMass is also likely in contact with the AAC to see if there is any chance at them getting an invite. The only way I see them joining the AAC is if another schools goes with them (Army?) to balance the conference.
Some have said that UConn would keep UMass out of the AAC. Others claim UConn would welcome them. Doubt AAC is looking for anyone anyway, but some have said that UMass wouldn't really fit into the AAC with their budget versus the typical AAC budget. May be wrong on some of that, just what has been posted.

UMass has some home repairs to do and maybe some landscaping before they are ready to put their home on the market for AAC.

Incredibly good potential fit if they take of business and that seems to be their intent.
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(04-29-2014 09:16 AM)panama Wrote:  Are we getting WACed? Because otherwise Liberty doesnt have the necessary votes.

There you go again.

We have heard Liberty is close on votes but not quite there for a while. Then JMU, EKU, and MoSt left the process. There have been reports of visits from LU pres and SBC members. Things change my friend. What if they do have the votes now? I have no inside info, but the situation is fluid.
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If they have the votes why haven't they been added? It's April 29th.
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(04-29-2014 09:27 AM)panama Wrote:  If they have the votes why haven't they been added? It's April 29th.

Baseball season maybe? LU is a top 25 team this year so maybe they don't want to ruin getting a bid for the tourny. Just an idea I really don't know.
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RE: Why UMass?
(04-29-2014 09:11 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  Liberty may be in play, but only as the fall back in UMass doesn't work out. I'm sure negotiations are on going between UMass and the SB, but that doesn't mean it is a done deal. There could be issues with revenue arrangements, tie ins for basketball, or buyouts that stop the deal from going through. UMass is also likely in contact with the AAC to see if there is any chance at them getting an invite. The only way I see them joining the AAC is if another schools goes with them (Army?) to balance the conference.

I hope/think the fall back should be to stay at 11 for now.
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(04-29-2014 09:27 AM)panama Wrote:  If they have the votes why haven't they been added? It's April 29th.

The SBC meeting is mid-may, right? And, Liberty is in the middle of winning the BSC baseball title. I've said I feel we wouldn't know anything till late May for a long time. Who knows, but that's my opinion.
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(04-29-2014 09:30 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:27 AM)panama Wrote:  If they have the votes why haven't they been added? It's April 29th.

Baseball season maybe? LU is a top 25 team this year so maybe they don't want to ruin getting a bid for the tourny. Just an idea I really don't know.

You're not in the CAA. You're not losing a bid. Talk about a reach.
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RE: Why UMass?
(04-29-2014 09:18 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:12 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 08:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 08:48 AM)buryyourduke Wrote:  I can't speak for other Liberty fans here...

in general?

I think there is some guy named Lang that said that Liberty was still in it. Think he may be a beat writer instead of just a blogger.

He is the beat writer, and one of the best. He has rarely commented on realignment. If he put that out there, he has solid info. Others also claim that Liberty is still very much in consideration. Again, it's all very fluid, and anything could happen. There have been a lot of instances of reporting that Liberty was in play, and others even tweeting Liberty was a done deal. Where is ANY Umass smoke? I just don't see it.

I'm sure Liberty administrators are still working their tails off to try and wrangle that invitation. Since one of them is no doubt Lang's source, of course he has heard that they are still in it because Liberty has not surrendered and has obviously been told there is some circumstance where they could still get invited.
You're being obtuse if you don't think UMass and the SBC are talking.
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RE: Why UMass?
(04-29-2014 09:33 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:30 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:27 AM)panama Wrote:  If they have the votes why haven't they been added? It's April 29th.

Baseball season maybe? LU is a top 25 team this year so maybe they don't want to ruin getting a bid for the tourny. Just an idea I really don't know.

You're not in the CAA. You're not losing a bid. Talk about a reach.

Im not sure if the BSC would get butthurt if LU left or not. It is possible BUT all this was just a guess so I could answer your question. It goes both ways with other schools too. Why hasn't UMASS been invited if the situation was so cut and dry?
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(04-29-2014 09:16 AM)panama Wrote:  Are we getting WACed? Because otherwise Liberty doesnt have the necessary votes.

The WAC situation was different. Fewer teams and no one willing to join that far west. Sure Liberty may not have the votes now but they'd get in in over a total collapse. Plus teams like UL, stAte, and GSU would likely have to get snagged by someone else for a WAC to happen and that would probably get rid of some of the nos.
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(04-29-2014 09:18 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  He is the beat writer, and one of the best. He has rarely commented on realignment. If he put that out there, he has solid info. Others also claim that Liberty is still very much in consideration. Again, it's all very fluid, and anything could happen. There have been a lot of instances of reporting that Liberty was in play, and others even tweeting Liberty was a done deal. Where is ANY Umass smoke? I just don't see it.

No offense, but the UMass smoke is all around you and you choose not to see it. Why would the EKU pres. say that the SBC is not looking at FCS schools; EKU was a lot further down the road to membership than Liberty. Clearly there's back room discussions with an FBS program, that leaves a universe of one. If it wasn't UMass, why wouldn't EKU be in play? Go back to the EKU comment for your answer.

Did the SB make a comment to EKU about FBS only to just turn around and invite Liberty a month later? Again, this is the real world not some bizzaro land, conferences are all about relationships; the SBC has no reason to mislead EKU.

Finally, if UMass falls apart, wouldn't the SBC go back to EKU first anyways?
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Given that this situation has been highly volatile with connected people talking of ever changing opinions among the decision makers, Liberty sure as heck wouldn't ask for the Sun Belt to cut some slack for baseball and Big South to my knowledge as never booted teams from post-season for leaving.

The current situation is very obvious. If someone had nine votes now, this would be over and done with the possible exception of UMass who may want to try to negotiate down the MAC departure fee. Face-to-face meetings can change the dynamic so the conference meetings may produce a puff of white smoke.
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It has nothing to do with baseball and everything to do with the timing of meetings. At the last meeting, which was the basketball tournament, Liberty did not have the votes. Several schools were never going to vote for Liberty when they believed JMU was an option. Since the departure of JMU from the list of options, things have changed. There isn't another meeting until May. It isn't a done deal, and things haven't been decided. There will be more meetings and visits between now and the Sun Belt meeting in May.

If EKU was told they were out, and it was because UMass was in, Liberty would have been told they were out as well. I know for a fact that this did not occur.
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RE: Why UMass?
(04-29-2014 09:38 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:33 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:30 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:27 AM)panama Wrote:  If they have the votes why haven't they been added? It's April 29th.

Baseball season maybe? LU is a top 25 team this year so maybe they don't want to ruin getting a bid for the tourny. Just an idea I really don't know.

You're not in the CAA. You're not losing a bid. Talk about a reach.

Im not sure if the BSC would get butthurt if LU left or not. It is possible BUT all this was just a guess so I could answer your question. It goes both ways with other schools too. Why hasn't UMASS been invited if the situation was so cut and dry?

The tough part is that UMass won't help App St as an oly travel partner. If you bring in NMSU it means football and the oly sports will have different division splits which would be odd.

So my guess is western schools are trying to convince the east the UMass is temporary until a EKU or MSU or someone is ready in a few years. Liberty isn't going anywhere so until the conference feels they have no other options they won't be added.

The west and east probably can't agree so it's being delayed. When Benson was in the WAC, he tried to get FBS adds over and over and then finally agreed to look at FCS. Now the UMass is available, I'm sure it put a wrench in plans and now they are looking over everything again.

There isn't the same rush as there was last year to get GSU and App St because the 11 is better than 9.
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(04-29-2014 09:46 AM)slycat Wrote:  The tough part is that UMass won't help App St as an oly travel partner. If you bring in NMSU it means football and the oly sports will have different division splits which would be odd.

So my guess is western schools are trying to convince the east the UMass is temporary until a EKU or MSU or someone is ready in a few years. Liberty isn't going anywhere so until the conference feels they have no other options they won't be added.
The west and east probably can't agree so it's being delayed. When Benson was in the WAC, he tried to get FBS adds over and over and then finally agreed to look at FCS. Now the UMass is available, I'm sure it put a wrench in plans and now they are looking over everything again.
There isn't the same rush as there was last year to get GSU and App St because the 11 is better than 9.

What delay? These things are never settled until the face to face meetings occur. That's why they hold these meeting a couple of weeks before the fiscal year deadline (i.e. so they can vote and make their official media announcements).
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RE: Why UMass?
(04-29-2014 09:41 AM)slycat Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:16 AM)panama Wrote:  Are we getting WACed? Because otherwise Liberty doesnt have the necessary votes.

The WAC situation was different. Fewer teams and no one willing to join that far west. Sure Liberty may not have the votes now but they'd get in in over a total collapse. Plus teams like UL, stAte, and GSU would likely have to get snagged by someone else for a WAC to happen and that would probably get rid of some of the nos.

That's precisely what he's saying. His stance is, Liberty will not have the votes, unless the only other option is total collapse.... aka, WACed.
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When the Sun Belt leaders meet in 2-3 weeks we will hear something. Either it will be an announcement of a 12th team or Commissioner Benson will say the conference has decided to remain at 11. But either way we will hear something in the next 3 weeks for sure.
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(04-29-2014 09:46 AM)slycat Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:38 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:33 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:30 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:27 AM)panama Wrote:  If they have the votes why haven't they been added? It's April 29th.

Baseball season maybe? LU is a top 25 team this year so maybe they don't want to ruin getting a bid for the tourny. Just an idea I really don't know.

You're not in the CAA. You're not losing a bid. Talk about a reach.

Im not sure if the BSC would get butthurt if LU left or not. It is possible BUT all this was just a guess so I could answer your question. It goes both ways with other schools too. Why hasn't UMASS been invited if the situation was so cut and dry?

The tough part is that UMass won't help App St as an oly travel partner. If you bring in NMSU it means football and the oly sports will have different division splits which would be odd.

So my guess is western schools are trying to convince the east the UMass is temporary until a EKU or MSU or someone is ready in a few years. Liberty isn't going anywhere so until the conference feels they have no other options they won't be added.

The west and east probably can't agree so it's being delayed. When Benson was in the WAC, he tried to get FBS adds over and over and then finally agreed to look at FCS. Now the UMass is available, I'm sure it put a wrench in plans and now they are looking over everything again.

There isn't the same rush as there was last year to get GSU and App St because the 11 is better than 9.

Travel partner isn't to benefit App, it is to benefit the schools traveling to App.
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(04-29-2014 09:53 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:41 AM)slycat Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 09:16 AM)panama Wrote:  Are we getting WACed? Because otherwise Liberty doesnt have the necessary votes.

The WAC situation was different. Fewer teams and no one willing to join that far west. Sure Liberty may not have the votes now but they'd get in in over a total collapse. Plus teams like UL, stAte, and GSU would likely have to get snagged by someone else for a WAC to happen and that would probably get rid of some of the nos.

That's precisely what he's saying. His stance is, Liberty will not have the votes, unless the only other option is total collapse.... aka, WACed.

Gotcha. Hard to keep up with all the changing story lines and personal opinions.
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FWIW, the admin at JMU says its UMass.
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