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NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
Read it and weep or get mad as heck.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ubdivision

The NCAA expects to create the five-conference subdivision in August. Slive estimated that it will take until at least the first of the year to draw up the rules by which the schools will govern themselves. In the current model, presidents make decisions as members of the NCAA Board of Directors. The five conferences want more responsibility in the hands of their athletic administrators.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
I would think if any non P5 school wanted to provide those same benefits they would be allowed in as well. Thats how it works now with 85 scholarships.

I doubt teams in the AAC, MWC, and otehrs will give up that easy. Sure it may hurt teams like ULM but UH and Boise won't roll over.

Does this seprate football only? What about basketball or Title IX? Pay those kids and all athletes will want equal treatment.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
He says he is not in favor of student athletes being employees, but what would anyone think for all this.

Slive laid out seven goals for the new subdivision of Division I that will house the following conferences: SEC, Atlantic Coast, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12.

• providing the full cost of attendance to grant-in-aid recipients

• fulfilling the health, safety and nutrition needs of student-athletes

• allowing student-athletes who have exhausted their eligibility to complete their undergraduate degree without cost

• ending the cold war against agents and advisers so that players testing the professional waters can receive better information

• harnessing the demands of sports so that student-athletes get more balance in their lives -- i.e., another crack at the "20-hour rule"

• more and better assistance for academically at-risk student-athletes

• giving student-athletes a role and a vote in NCAA governance that affects them
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I'm kind of stupid, is this the split that everyone has been talking about?
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(04-23-2014 03:02 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  I'm kind of stupid, is this the split that everyone has been talking about?

Seems to be since these changes, Slive said, "require a 21st century governance model within the NCAA and its structure that will preserve the collegiate model and allows our schools to make decisions that put student-athletes first. This is the No. 1 priority of the five conferences and we are committed to seeing it through."

Slive and the other commissioners hope delivering more benefits to student-athletes will forestall the judicial and executive branches of the federal government from doing the same. The future of intercollegiate athletics will hinge on whether they are right.

Doesn't sound like any other conferences will be admitted or get a choice if they wanted to be included.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
You guys didn't actually read this right.

Here is sort of what the argument is. The 5 P5 conferences form a new Subdivision in August. Nothing changes competition wise, but they work to create the rules for that new Sub-Division. In January, the rules are announced, and G5 conferences are given the option of moving up to join this new Sub-division, or dropping to FCS. At which point all of the others will move up and join. The way things work is, they cant create an exclusive division, but they can create a new one and set up the rules for it, at which point other leagues will move up or move down. They cant force anyone down without a lawsuit.

That's the way I've been told it will work at least.
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(04-23-2014 03:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You guys didn't actually read this right.

Here is sort of what the argument is. The 5 P5 conferences form a new Subdivision in August. Nothing changes competition wise, but they work to create the rules for that new Sub-Division. In January, the rules are announced, and G5 conferences are given the option of moving up to join this new Sub-division, or dropping to FCS. At which point all of the others will move up and join. The way things work is, they cant create an exclusive division, but they can create a new one and set up the rules for it, at which point other leagues will move up or move down. They cant force anyone down without a lawsuit.

That's the way I've been told it will work at least.

So this is not creating FBS-A and FBS-AA?
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(04-23-2014 03:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You guys didn't actually read this right.

Here is sort of what the argument is. The 5 P5 conferences form a new Subdivision in August. Nothing changes competition wise, but they work to create the rules for that new Sub-Division. In January, the rules are announced, and G5 conferences are given the option of moving up to join this new Sub-division, or dropping to FCS. At which point all of the others will move up and join. The way things work is, they cant create an exclusive division, but they can create a new one and set up the rules for it, at which point other leagues will move up or move down. They cant force anyone down without a lawsuit.

That's the way I've been told it will work at least.

I think some of these proposed rule changes are necessary however I also think that some should be optional. For example paying college athletes for the full cost of attendance would be a non-optional rule but requiring 95 scholarships should be optional for FBS.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 03:19 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You guys didn't actually read this right.

Here is sort of what the argument is. The 5 P5 conferences form a new Subdivision in August. Nothing changes competition wise, but they work to create the rules for that new Sub-Division. In January, the rules are announced, and G5 conferences are given the option of moving up to join this new Sub-division, or dropping to FCS. At which point all of the others will move up and join. The way things work is, they cant create an exclusive division, but they can create a new one and set up the rules for it, at which point other leagues will move up or move down. They cant force anyone down without a lawsuit.

That's the way I've been told it will work at least.

So this is not creating FBS-A and FBS-AA?


Not really. Its just the same division, with new rules.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
What paragraph does it say that other conferences may be invited? Once they form their own
division what incentive do they have to want other conferences from the G-5 to join?
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This will allow them to expand the benefits to players just enough to keep the wolves at bay. There won't be a "split" except in governance and there will be a divide in the amount of benefits provided. Not a big deal to me because those schools already have an advantage over the rest of us in recruiting. We will provide more benefits to athletes as well an will continue to be more attractive than playing FCS. Some kids will still choose strong G5 programs over the bottom of the P5 schools. The balance of power is not going to shift. We will still get our access to one playoff spot and to the bowls.

I am interested in seeing if they guarantee scholarships for 4 years and if they alter the transfer rules. Locking players in for 4 years would help us in the SBC.
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Of the five stages, what stage is Denial?
#1 isn't it.
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(04-23-2014 03:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  What paragraph does it say that other conferences may be invited? Once they form their own
division what incentive do they have to want other conferences from the G-5 to join?

ESPN took the entire thing wrong...not surprisingly. If such an idea was actually proposed, you would have G5 Presidents and AD's screaming from the mountaintops.

They cant actually tell a league they are not allowed to move up without leaving the NCAA. The NCAA sets rules on what an institution has to do in order to move up, but they cant selectively stop schools from moving up. If the AAC for example agrees to meet the new standards...the P5 couldn't just say no. Not without having a massive lawsuit on their hands, and no one wants the Federal Government to become even more involved than it already is.
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(04-23-2014 03:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You guys didn't actually read this right.

Here is sort of what the argument is. The 5 P5 conferences form a new Subdivision in August. Nothing changes competition wise, but they work to create the rules for that new Sub-Division. In January, the rules are announced, and G5 conferences are given the option of moving up to join this new Sub-division, or dropping to FCS. At which point all of the others will move up and join. The way things work is, they cant create an exclusive division, but they can create a new one and set up the rules for it, at which point other leagues will move up or move down. They cant force anyone down without a lawsuit.

That's the way I've been told it will work at least.

Just require an invite from a existing conference same exclusion as FCS teams face today.
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(04-23-2014 03:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  What paragraph does it say that other conferences may be invited? Once they form their own
division what incentive do they have to want other conferences from the G-5 to join?

All of the "sexy Issues" including full cost scholarships and training tables, and so called "health and welfare" issues for student athletes can be adopted by the G5. There will be no scholarship count differences between P5 and G5. I full expect that the G5 leagues will be in lock step with any so called "permissive" changes the P5 vote in by super-majority of p5 members. The reaction some folks are having here is a bit overblown.
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This may cause some schools to drop back down tho FCS. This then will cause a realignment in the G5 conferences. I Don't see schools like Idaho being able to keep up money wise. The Sun Belt may lose some schools pretty soon.
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(04-23-2014 03:36 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You guys didn't actually read this right.

Here is sort of what the argument is. The 5 P5 conferences form a new Subdivision in August. Nothing changes competition wise, but they work to create the rules for that new Sub-Division. In January, the rules are announced, and G5 conferences are given the option of moving up to join this new Sub-division, or dropping to FCS. At which point all of the others will move up and join. The way things work is, they cant create an exclusive division, but they can create a new one and set up the rules for it, at which point other leagues will move up or move down. They cant force anyone down without a lawsuit.

That's the way I've been told it will work at least.

Just require an invite from a existing conference same exclusion as FCS teams face today.

Sort of...but the NCAA cannot keep an entire conference from moving to FBS. For instance..If 5 SBC schools branched off with 3 MAC schools and all moved into the OVC...there would be nothing the NCAA could do to stop the entire league from moving to FBS.
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(04-23-2014 03:38 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  This may cause some schools to drop back down tho FCS. This then will cause a realignment in the G5 conferences. I Don't see schools like Idaho being able to keep up money wise. The Sun Belt may lose some schools pretty soon.

Idaho is their own story, but I doubt we lose anyone.

Most G5 schools will have little choice but to move up. The consequences of dropping down are nearly program killing.
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(04-23-2014 03:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:38 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  This may cause some schools to drop back down tho FCS. This then will cause a realignment in the G5 conferences. I Don't see schools like Idaho being able to keep up money wise. The Sun Belt may lose some schools pretty soon.

Idaho is their own story, but I doubt we lose anyone.

Most G5 schools will have little choice but to move up. The consequences of dropping down are nearly program killing.

Many schools struggle now without the added expense.
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(04-23-2014 03:43 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:38 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  This may cause some schools to drop back down tho FCS. This then will cause a realignment in the G5 conferences. I Don't see schools like Idaho being able to keep up money wise. The Sun Belt may lose some schools pretty soon.

Idaho is their own story, but I doubt we lose anyone.

Most G5 schools will have little choice but to move up. The consequences of dropping down are nearly program killing.

Many schools struggle now without the added expense.

And they'll struggle even more when they have to follow the new rules, but they'll move up.

Look at ULM. They may have a tiny budget and barely make ends meet, but there isn't a way in hades their President would ever agree to move them back to the Southland. He'd get run out of town on a rail by his own fan base. They'll learn how to make do.
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