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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 03:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You guys didn't actually read this right.

Here is sort of what the argument is. The 5 P5 conferences form a new Subdivision in August. Nothing changes competition wise, but they work to create the rules for that new Sub-Division. In January, the rules are announced, and G5 conferences are given the option of moving up to join this new Sub-division, or dropping to FCS. At which point all of the others will move up and join. The way things work is, they cant create an exclusive division, but they can create a new one and set up the rules for it, at which point other leagues will move up or move down. They cant force anyone down without a lawsuit.

That's the way I've been told it will work at least.

The article says a new sub-division will be created not a remake of the current sub-division. Also, there is no mention of allowing G5 schools in at any point in the future. Don't underestimate the greed of the P5 or as stated in the article the "Equity" Conferences.
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(04-23-2014 04:38 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  http://www.dnj.com/article/20140421/BLUE...open-forum

The SBC has already come out in favor of a stipend. It will get interesting if they try to use a cost of attendance based on the varying cost of living from city to city as that will harm a lot of traditional football powerhouses. I suspect it will end up being a set amount across the board.

As for whether they will only provide these benefits to football? You shouldn't have to have a law degree to see where that would end up. There is no way they can enhance the compensation for football players only. My concern is how doe this affect the schools that don't play football? Do only our football playing schools provide a stipend to all athletes along with the other benefits? That will help the budgets of the non-football but it will kill them in recruiting. How does a Wichita State compete with South Alabama if they are not paying a stipend and USA does?

It isn't as easy as it is being portrayed but those five conference ALREADY get the vast share of the revenue and have nicer toys than the rest of us. That isn't going to change. As long as we still play those schools, have access to the postseason and have the "FBS" label we will all still be better off than our FCS counterparts. It will be up to us to find ways to enhance our revenue outisde of what the big conferences share.

I believe I remember a female basketball coach suing to be paid the same base salary as the mens basketball coach and the court ruled that they don't have to be the same based on the revenue the respective teams brought in. I dont know if this can be applied in stipends. UCONN womens team probably brings in money while the vast majority of even good womens programs probably do not. Its gonna be a mess.
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(04-23-2014 02:59 PM)slycat Wrote:  I would think if any non P5 school wanted to provide those same benefits they would be allowed in as well. Thats how it works now with 85 scholarships.

I doubt teams in the AAC, MWC, and otehrs will give up that easy. Sure it may hurt teams like ULM but UH and Boise won't roll over.

Does this seprate football only? What about basketball or Title IX? Pay those kids and all athletes will want equal treatment.

I have said several times NO MATTER WHAT these schools can not reconcile Title IX without paying everyone the same....
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 03:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  What paragraph does it say that other conferences may be invited? Once they form their own
division what incentive do they have to want other conferences from the G-5 to join?

Perhaps our attorney friends can join in but Does Anti-Trust come into this???
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I think that the BIG news out of this is that we are going to essentially lose our voice in most or all rule changes.

If they are allowed to make all the rules without our input then they are certainly going to use that to maintain every advantage they can.

If we begin to be able to compete with them, and wind up landing big recruits based on the success and growing of our programs? Well - they just raise the "allowed" pay outs per athlete to a level we cant afford to "opt" into. An amount that no high school kid is going to say no to. The programs inside their own conferences will be covered with the pools of money created and already divided by bowl games/TV contracts etc.

I don't believe for a minute that the welfare of the student athletes is their number one priority anymore than I bought Nick Saban's claim that slowing the game down for his defense was needed for player safety. In this area to - they will be allowed to make any rule changes that give them any advantage. We don't have their size, but use a fast pace offense to offset that? - They slow it down. Now hopefully enough of them will use the same tactics that such rules wouldn't get passed, but Alabama would vote for it TODAY! You can bet that they will all agree on some though.

Transfers? Well, if the kill the sit out rule = we could become a recruiting field/training ground for the P5 if they eliminate penalties to transfer. After all - shouldn't a player be allowed to change his mind, move to another city, pick a new major, play for another program if he wants to? Other "employees", and all other students can! (Note: I don't agree that this should be allowed unless a Coaching change occurs).

We will all fall in step for step with what ever they offer if we can scrape up the money. This is why we need to raise the cost of playing us by 1Million per game. And they should gladly accept the new price for a product that is going to cost more to produce!
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(04-23-2014 05:15 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I think that the BIG news out of this is that we are going to essentially lose our voice in most or all rule changes.

If they are allowed to make all the rules without our input then they are certainly going to use that to maintain every advantage they can.

If we begin to be able to compete with them, and wind up landing big recruits based on the success and growing of our programs? Well - they just raise the "allowed" pay outs per athlete to a level we cant afford to "opt" into. An amount that no high school kid is going to say no to. The programs inside their own conferences will be covered with the pools of money created and already divided by bowl games/TV contracts etc.

I don't believe for a minute that the welfare of the student athletes is their number one priority anymore than I bought Nick Saban's claim that slowing the game down for his defense was needed for player safety. In this area to - they will be allowed to make any rule changes that give them any advantage. We don't have their size, but use a fast pace offense to offset that? - They slow it down. Now hopefully enough of them will use the same tactics that such rules wouldn't get passed, but Alabama would vote for it TODAY! You can bet that they will all agree on some though.

Transfers? Well, if the kill the sit out rule = we could become a recruiting field/training ground for the P5 if they eliminate penalties to transfer. After all - shouldn't a player be allowed to change his mind, move to another city, pick a new major, play for another program if he wants to? Other "employees", and all other students can! (Note: I don't agree that this should be allowed unless a Coaching change occurs).

We will all fall in step for step with what ever they offer if we can scrape up the money. This is why we need to raise the cost of playing us by 1Million per game. And they should gladly accept the new price for a product that is going to cost more to produce!

or... the G5 schools will have autonomy in making rules changes for themselves.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 05:05 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 04:38 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  http://www.dnj.com/article/20140421/BLUE...open-forum

The SBC has already come out in favor of a stipend. It will get interesting if they try to use a cost of attendance based on the varying cost of living from city to city as that will harm a lot of traditional football powerhouses. I suspect it will end up being a set amount across the board.

As for whether they will only provide these benefits to football? You shouldn't have to have a law degree to see where that would end up. There is no way they can enhance the compensation for football players only. My concern is how doe this affect the schools that don't play football? Do only our football playing schools provide a stipend to all athletes along with the other benefits? That will help the budgets of the non-football but it will kill them in recruiting. How does a Wichita State compete with South Alabama if they are not paying a stipend and USA does?

It isn't as easy as it is being portrayed but those five conference ALREADY get the vast share of the revenue and have nicer toys than the rest of us. That isn't going to change. As long as we still play those schools, have access to the postseason and have the "FBS" label we will all still be better off than our FCS counterparts. It will be up to us to find ways to enhance our revenue outisde of what the big conferences share.

I believe I remember a female basketball coach suing to be paid the same base salary as the mens basketball coach and the court ruled that they don't have to be the same based on the revenue the respective teams brought in. I dont know if this can be applied in stipends. UCONN womens team probably brings in money while the vast majority of even good womens programs probably do not. Its gonna be a mess.

Most schools already have sports with fractional scholarship athletes such as baseball. Would it really make a difference legally by having only football players getting stipends vs the current football players getting disproportionate scholarships than other athletes?
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 04:36 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:55 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:52 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  This is what many have been predicting for years and the primary reason many at App were so adamant about moving out of FCS. This will essentially create a third D-I division. The only way to view this is FBS-A and AA. I don't know of any rational App State supporter, favoring the move to FBS, ever envisioned us on the same level as those major schools. Most are happy to be associated with peer schools playing at a higher level than FCS. Our goal was to not be stuck in the SmallCon and FCS when the hammer dropped.

Nowhere does he remotely hint schools outside the P5 conferences will be forced into FCS. A little common sense goes a long way here folks. Does anyone think for a second these guys want to slug it out between themselves 12 times per season, plus a championship game, plus a playoff and bowls?

I honestly believe this is also the first step of G5 conference realignment along regional lines. The FBS playoff is going to take a lot of TV money out of the system. Once those dollars begin to dry up schools will have no other option than to realign. The money simply won't be there for the extensive travel conference members have to live with today.

Really A-AA doesn't even call it right because we'll still get access into the major Bowl games for a single champion, and could still play for a National Title if a team was to make the top 4. Especially with the leagues all following the same rules. What it does do is give the P5 the power they want to set up their own rules...without having FCS schools around to say no.

Schools moving up are essentially trading National Championships away for the exposure of an access bowl game.

Can see a day in the not so distant future the G5 schools have their own playoff.

The only way that makes sense is if the G5 schools get screwed so badly they simply leave the NCAA. And then try and peel off all the D1 basketball schools too (who are sick and tired of being treated like dirt by the football centric P5).

So long as the rules are reasonable, APPLIED evenly (meaning that if South Alabama has to meet a requirement, so does Washington State), and provide a path for a P5 team (however unlikely) to win it all, then we're still FBS and there should be no issues.
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(04-23-2014 03:43 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:38 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  This may cause some schools to drop back down tho FCS. This then will cause a realignment in the G5 conferences. I Don't see schools like Idaho being able to keep up money wise. The Sun Belt may lose some schools pretty soon.

Idaho is their own story, but I doubt we lose anyone.

Most G5 schools will have little choice but to move up. The consequences of dropping down are nearly program killing.

Many schools struggle now without the added expense.

The playoff money covers most if not all the extra expense.
Why single out Idaho our athletic budget is middle of the pack.
Wouldn't the schools at the bottom revenue wise be most effected. Any Sun Belt school would be in jeopardy as an independent.
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(04-23-2014 05:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 04:36 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:55 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:52 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  This is what many have been predicting for years and the primary reason many at App were so adamant about moving out of FCS. This will essentially create a third D-I division. The only way to view this is FBS-A and AA. I don't know of any rational App State supporter, favoring the move to FBS, ever envisioned us on the same level as those major schools. Most are happy to be associated with peer schools playing at a higher level than FCS. Our goal was to not be stuck in the SmallCon and FCS when the hammer dropped.

Nowhere does he remotely hint schools outside the P5 conferences will be forced into FCS. A little common sense goes a long way here folks. Does anyone think for a second these guys want to slug it out between themselves 12 times per season, plus a championship game, plus a playoff and bowls?

I honestly believe this is also the first step of G5 conference realignment along regional lines. The FBS playoff is going to take a lot of TV money out of the system. Once those dollars begin to dry up schools will have no other option than to realign. The money simply won't be there for the extensive travel conference members have to live with today.

Really A-AA doesn't even call it right because we'll still get access into the major Bowl games for a single champion, and could still play for a National Title if a team was to make the top 4. Especially with the leagues all following the same rules. What it does do is give the P5 the power they want to set up their own rules...without having FCS schools around to say no.

Schools moving up are essentially trading National Championships away for the exposure of an access bowl game.

Can see a day in the not so distant future the G5 schools have their own playoff.

The only way that makes sense is if the G5 schools get screwed so badly they simply leave the NCAA. And then try and peel off all the D1 basketball schools too (who are sick and tired of being treated like dirt by the football centric P5).

So long as the rules are reasonable, APPLIED evenly (meaning that if South Alabama has to meet a requirement, so does Washington State), and provide a path for a P5 team (however unlikely) to win it all, then we're still FBS and there should be no issues.

It comes to a head when one of these changes has unintended consequences for the G5. Will the G5 be able to get relief or will the voting structure be such that they can get no relief?

We'll see I guess.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
Dennis Dodd broke down each of the agenda items unlike ESPN:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-this-week

It seems like the P5 will be given power to make optional rule changes (for example the cost of attendance stipend) and the rest can choose whether to implement them or not without affecting their status.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
The push begins.
In the near future the p5
will not allow participation from the g5 in any playoff.
will no longer feel obliged to honor promises made
playoff money will cease
a true and definate split will occur.

rationale: why would they? Would you give money and oppurtunity to compete to those you do not have to?

the g5 will do what they can to keep up but in the end success will depend on how television treats the g5.
will they televise their games and thus provide revenue or will they be overlooked as irrelevant.
Like the fcs will they be starved for attention and dollars?
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(04-23-2014 05:50 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote:  Dennis Dodd broke down each of the agenda items unlike ESPN:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-this-week

It seems like the P5 will be given power to make optional rule changes (for example the cost of attendance stipend) and the rest can choose whether to implement them or not without affecting their status.
That is right and we will have more say than the lower divisions. The sky is not falling. We will pay a stipend.
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(04-23-2014 05:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:43 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:38 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  This may cause some schools to drop back down tho FCS. This then will cause a realignment in the G5 conferences. I Don't see schools like Idaho being able to keep up money wise. The Sun Belt may lose some schools pretty soon.

Idaho is their own story, but I doubt we lose anyone.

Most G5 schools will have little choice but to move up. The consequences of dropping down are nearly program killing.

Many schools struggle now without the added expense.

The playoff money covers most if not all the extra expense.
Why single out Idaho our athletic budget is middle of the pack.
Wouldn't the schools at the bottom revenue wise be most effected. Any Sun Belt school would be in jeopardy as an independent.
exactly. We received more in playoff money than we demanded because they want us to remain in FBS and the money will cover the stipends. This is happening to prevent litigation not to separate the already separated.
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(04-23-2014 05:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:43 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:38 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  This may cause some schools to drop back down tho FCS. This then will cause a realignment in the G5 conferences. I Don't see schools like Idaho being able to keep up money wise. The Sun Belt may lose some schools pretty soon.

Idaho is their own story, but I doubt we lose anyone.

Most G5 schools will have little choice but to move up. The consequences of dropping down are nearly program killing.

Many schools struggle now without the added expense.

The playoff money covers most if not all the extra expense.
Why single out Idaho our athletic budget is middle of the pack.
Wouldn't the schools at the bottom revenue wise be most effected. Any Sun Belt school would be in jeopardy as an independent.

Because Idaho is the go to "weak" program example. It's dumb because our program is not nearly as problematic off the field as it is on the field.
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(04-23-2014 03:28 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  This will allow them to expand the benefits to players just enough to keep the wolves at bay. There won't be a "split" except in governance and there will be a divide in the amount of benefits provided. Not a big deal to me because those schools already have an advantage over the rest of us in recruiting. We will provide more benefits to athletes as well an will continue to be more attractive than playing FCS. Some kids will still choose strong G5 programs over the bottom of the P5 schools. The balance of power is not going to shift. We will still get our access to one playoff spot and to the bowls.

I am interested in seeing if they guarantee scholarships for 4 years and if they alter the transfer rules. Locking players in for 4 years would help us in the SBC.

Media doesn't understand the proposal, very damn few people tasked to cover business, law or sports truly understand them. Your typical sports media person is someone who has an interest in writing or RTV and likes watching sports. Being able to report what happened in a game or asking a tough question like why did you use that timeout or why were you in prevent there is not a skill set that equips you for:
1. Reading and understanding the practical effects of legislation
2 Understanding how college athletics are actually financed.
3. Understanding how college presidents and athletic directors and commissioners work with one another.
4. Having institutional knowledge of past legislative proposals.

Here is the background.

The NCAA is being sued in a number of cases and the FBS members have been subpoenaed in those cases and that information has the potential of forming the basis of added suits against FBS schools.

These suits prompted a series of influential media reports (most notably NY Times) questioning how student-athletes are treated.

To address those issues, the FBS conferences prodded by the NCAA President voted unanimously (with some other leagues) for a series of reforms (recruiting, stipend, guaranteed scholarships, other aid).

As is often common when the NCAA acts nimbly, big changes send illogical shockwaves throughout the membership community and generates a wave of opposition that might not always be rationally thought out.

A number of schools began filing objections to those reforms, most notably the stipend and the general basis was either I can't afford it or That gives someone else a competitive advantage (some schools most notably Wake Forest objected because Title IX consequences had not been fully explored and they raise some serious questions).

The problem with the common objections is they fail to recognize reality.

The extra spending is optional, so no school was compelled to participate or they could participate in a limited manner. Those who do not participate aren't totally out of luck. Players with the greatest financial need can receive Federal grants that put them in a similar financial position or they can turn to student loans which isn't as good of a deal.

As to competitive advantage. The reality is the FBS leagues were going to embrace the changes as would leagues like the Big East, A10, and probably Mo Valley and WCC and maybe Horizon. The other 16 or so leagues might not be able to participate because of finances but as a general rule they don't win the recruiting battles against those 12 to 15 leagues as it stands today. Competitive advantage concerns don't come into play unless the Big West participates and Big Sky doesn't or CAA participates and Southern or OVC or Metro Atlantic or Northeast, or America East doesn't.

The over-ride created justified outrage. Schools who don't have someone trying to put their neck in a noose killed legislation that was designed to create a measure of protection for the top schools against those suits and bad publicity.

The P5 have made the decision that they are not going to be put in that situation again.

They are seeking the ability to adopt some changes not in the line-up of Division I or FBS but in benefits and regulation that they can adopt by their own vote. Some matters anyone who wishes to follow can do so simply by altering their league bylaws others will require Division consent.

But they did something else as well.

They made the decision that on broader issues that aren't covered by their ability to govern themselves they would seek to change the voting structure. The structure they have requested makes the vote of a P5 conference worth more than the vote of any other conference and makes the vote of the G5 worth more than vote of any other conference that isn't FBS. In theory, if the P5 and G5 agree those ten conferences combined have the power to make all the rules for Division I.

The irresponsible and hysterical reporting of this claims this is it. THE SPLIT WE'VE BEEN REPORTING SINCE THE 1950's IS ARRIVING.

The reality is far different. The P5 aren't breaking away. They are creating a special voting group but they will continue to compete in the NCAA Tournament and compete against the G5 on the field and for votes in the same polls and compete for the CFP slots against them.

If they were looking to split how stupid are they creating a structure where the Sun Belt members can sit down and vote to follow the same rules? How stupid is it to structure Division I governance in such a way that the P5 cannot alone determine the policies of the Division but rather need to form coalitions and if they need to form coalitions why would they hand enhanced voting power to the G5 if the plan were to try to run the G5 off? They handed the G5 enhanced voting because the G5 despite having fewer resources philosophically aligns with the P5 on most everything making them a more reliable coalition partner than the Atlantic Sun or Big Sky.
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(04-23-2014 06:01 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  The push begins.
In the near future the p5
will not allow participation from the g5 in any playoff.
will no longer feel obliged to honor promises made
playoff money will cease
a true and definate split will occur.

rationale: why would they? Would you give money and oppurtunity to compete to those you do not have to?

the g5 will do what they can to keep up but in the end success will depend on how television treats the g5.
will they televise their games and thus provide revenue or will they be overlooked as irrelevant.
Like the fcs will they be starved for attention and dollars?

The G5 is not completely powerless. Who just won the womens and mens NCAA tournament? Basketball and baseball to a lesser extent still gives the G5 a voice. Trust me the Dukes, Wake Forests, Vandy, Colorado, etc etc of the world does not want a complete split and only have a chance at four win seasons at best in football from here to eternity and certainly does not any threat of a blown up March Madness. The P5 football schools can only horde and push so much, there is a breaking point at which the G5's will start doing the math and might come to the conclusion a split would not be the worst thing. I think we might find it soon.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 06:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 06:01 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  The push begins.
In the near future the p5
will not allow participation from the g5 in any playoff.
will no longer feel obliged to honor promises made
playoff money will cease
a true and definate split will occur.

rationale: why would they? Would you give money and oppurtunity to compete to those you do not have to?

the g5 will do what they can to keep up but in the end success will depend on how television treats the g5.
will they televise their games and thus provide revenue or will they be overlooked as irrelevant.
Like the fcs will they be starved for attention and dollars?

The G5 is not completely powerless. Who just won the womens and mens NCAA tournament? Basketball and baseball to a lesser extent still gives the G5 a voice. Trust me the Dukes, Wake Forests, Vandy, Colorado, etc etc of the world does not want a complete split and only have a chance at four win seasons at best in football from here to eternity and certainly does not any threat of a blown up March Madness. The P5 football schools can only horde and push so much, there is a breaking point at which the G5's will start doing the math and might come to the conclusion a split would not be the worst thing. I think we might find it soon.

Except the costs aren't going to be that bad.

Remember, the P5 gave the G5 more of the CFP money than the G5 were prepared to fight for. That money will cover the added costs with money left over.

The P5 are NOT going to offer student-athletes benefits in excess of the cost of attendance because it will make them true employees and endanger their tax exemption and trigger coverage under the school benefit programs, worker's comp, and even worse... create respondeat superior liability if say a football player gropes a lab partner, the class is part of his employment and the university potentially liable for the sexual assault. If a basketball player is driving from class to the arena for practice and strikes and kills a pedestrian the school is quite likely liable because that travel would be within the scope of the student's employment.

The bigger economic issue for the G5 is not matching stipends or making sure student-athletes have access to snacks when the cafeteria is closed. The threat is rising salaries. When Harsin and Anderson came to AState, there was no shock nor surprise because both went from being coordinators to head coach AND received raises. Malzahn coming to AState was a surprise because he took a cut in pay.

We are already in a place where any P5 can offer to a pay G5 head coach more than they make. But what may change is being in a position where most P5 coordinators make more than virtually any G5 head coach. That will make it more difficult to make notable hires and shrink the quality applicant pool. A P5 position coach opting to take a G5 coordinator position will less often be an easy financial and professional decision.

But that is coming whether the P5 make their own rules or not.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
The g5 better get to it. The p5 are acting deliberately and not from any sense of camaraderie.
The interest they have in mind is their own. The splits only reason is to distance themselves further from competition and garner more money.
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(04-23-2014 06:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The bigger economic issue for the G5 is not matching stipends or making sure student-athletes have access to snacks when the cafeteria is closed. The threat is rising salaries. When Harsin and Anderson came to AState, there was no shock nor surprise because both went from being coordinators to head coach AND received raises. Malzahn coming to AState was a surprise because he took a cut in pay.

We are already in a place where any P5 can offer to a pay G5 head coach more than they make. But what may change is being in a position where most P5 coordinators make more than virtually any G5 head coach. That will make it more difficult to make notable hires and shrink the quality applicant pool. A P5 position coach opting to take a G5 coordinator position will less often be an easy financial and professional decision.

But that is coming whether the P5 make their own rules or not.

Is that really a worse problem than it is now?

There are only so many head coaching positions in P5. Many coordinators who want to be a head coach will still have to do it at the G5 level despite a pay cut. Many coordinators will still care more about advancing up the ladder than they do a pay differential.

Plus, as head coach pay goes up in P5 the demand that they deliver goes up as well and the timeframe they are allowed to do it in goes down. Coordinators may be getting more pay than a G5 head coach but they may have less control of their fate there....and very few coaches think that they would fail if they were in complete control.
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