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Future of FBS - Interview with Mike Silve
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...f-college-

This may be why JMU and others are now seeing that FBS may not be their best interest.
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(04-16-2014 12:21 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...f-college-

This may be why JMU and others are now seeing that FBS may not be their best interest.

"All about the student athlete". What utter BS.
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The P-5 conferences are tired of being regulated by rules set forth by an organization (the NCAA) that allows Idaho to have a vote that counts the same as Alabama's. The P-5 conferences are the one's with the money and they're finished with being bullied by the NCAA. By empowering a bureaucratic, socialist minded organization like the NCAA to dictate ridiculous rules that we all had to follow, we set the table for the revolt we're witnessing today. In 10 years, P-5 college football and men's basketball will have basically become minor leagues for the NFL and NBA. Major College athletics, at least as we've known them, will be ruined. Where we end up in all of this is still to be determined, but I don't like the direction that the G-5 is headed. I'm afraid we're going to end up about as irrelevant as FCS football is today.
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Well Idaho's vote may or may not be equal to an Alabama vote. The P5 already dominate the football rules by a large margin.

By your failed logic one would think that only McNeese type FCS schools voted not to give stipends to football players in the vote last year. The fact is almost all SBC schools agreed with the P5, additionally there were more than a couple of P5 members who voted no to that two thousand dollar stipend. I know Louisiana voted yes, ULM even voted yes. Louisiana Tech at Ruston I do not recall for sure, probably yes.

The P5 sees a billion dollar pay day and simply are afraid that they will have to give more than a few million to the NCAA. It has zero to do with what Idaho votes, or LTU At Ruston votes for that matter.
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Seeing some other items on the agenda perhaps only food for thought. Raising the scholarship limits to 95? You know I kind of think Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Kentucky and lots of other P5 teams might not want that. Don't some of you think Ole Miss wants a shot at Alabama? Give LSU, BAMA, Auburn each ten more premier players and the less elite P5 teams will not look nearly so competitive. Same in the Big 10, Pack 12, Big 12, and ACC. You give the top third of those leagues another ten total and you will see lots of losing.

Still dollars are moving college sports, and maybe with the Northeast vote coming up this happy thing called college football has outlived it's day.
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Make the NFL and NBA create their own minor leagues like MLB, NHL, and even the PGA. No one complains about baseball players or golfers leaving college early because colleges don't make money off those guys. The NFL and NBA are getting free player development on the colleges' dime.

What bothers me is all this talk of the schools making so much money on the backs of athletes. Less than 3% of NCAA members actually make money directly from their athletic programs. If those 20 programs want to continue being stoolies for the NFL and NBA, let them withdraw from the NCAA and we see how long they last just playing each other.
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No question those guys live in a totally different world than even the top guys in the G5. But there is even a divide among schools in the P5 conferences. Having been in the Big East one would think Cincinnati is a legit P5 type school. A good friend who was the top associate AD there told me their budget was the lowest in the BCS and nowhere close to most in that group. At the other end of the spectrum another good friend who is at Auburn and was at Arkansas, says the amount of money they have is unbelievable. IMO conference realignment taking place at the top is little more than the haves separating themselves from have nots. South Florida being another loser in that shuffle. The BE's better financed schools were absorbed by P5 conferences and UC finds itself in the AAC. The AAC is trying to fight their way into that top level, but I don't think it's going to happen.

I think they have a legitimate point when it comes to football. If they are allowed to make decisions strictly for football I'm OK with that. To me the problem is when they begin spreading that autonomy to the rest of the department.
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Mike Silve will make sure the SBC is not hurt if he has any say, and you can take that to the bank (and like the previously proposed $2K stipend, has already made sure the upcoming changes want).

The SBC is, and has been, important as far as making sure the SEC gets what it wants, and the value that relationship highly.
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(04-19-2014 06:31 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  Seeing some other items on the agenda perhaps only food for thought. Raising the scholarship limits to 95? You know I kind of think Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Kentucky and lots of other P5 teams might not want that. Don't some of you think Ole Miss wants a shot at Alabama? Give LSU, BAMA, Auburn each ten more premier players and the less elite P5 teams will not look nearly so competitive. Same in the Big 10, Pack 12, Big 12, and ACC. You give the top third of those leagues another ten total and you will see lots of losing.

Excellent point. Scholarship limits were reduced from 95 to 85 as a cost saving measure back in 1991. In 2012 Presidents recommend to the NCAA's Board of Directors they be cut to 80 by 2014. Of course the coaches went into a hissy fit in spite of having 32 more players than an NFL team.
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(04-19-2014 09:30 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Mike Silve will make sure the SBC is not hurt if he has any say, and you can take that to the bank (and like the previously proposed $2K stipend, has already made sure the upcoming changes want).

The SBC is, and has been, important as far as making sure the SEC gets what it wants, and the value that relationship highly.

Don't you find it interesting Silve is a an Ivy League grad? A product of the bastion of amateur athletics, pimping for a semi-pro league passing itself off as a college athletic conference dedicated to the welfare of the student athlete.
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If they aren't happy with the NCAA then I have no problem with a divorce.

What I do have a problem with us wanting a divorce....but still wanting to sleep with us every once in a while....and wanting to have a veto over what we do on Saturday night.

We are too good for you in football. But we need you for basketball, baseball, soccer, track and field, etc.

If it is going to be a divorce then it should be a divorce.
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(04-19-2014 06:03 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  Well Idaho's vote may or may not be equal to an Alabama vote. The P5 already dominate the football rules by a large margin.

By your failed logic one would think that only McNeese type FCS schools voted not to give stipends to football players in the vote last year. The fact is almost all SBC schools agreed with the P5, additionally there were more than a couple of P5 members who voted no to that two thousand dollar stipend. I know Louisiana voted yes, ULM even voted yes. Louisiana Tech at Ruston I do not recall for sure, probably yes.

The P5 sees a billion dollar pay day and simply are afraid that they will have to give more than a few million to the NCAA. It has zero to do with what Idaho votes, or LTU At Ruston votes for that matter.

I agree. I don't see this as anything new. I don't see G5 schools as equivalent to FCS schools. The G5 schools get more revenue from football and have an access that FCS schools don't. They will pay the stipend.

I do think the P5 schools would like to make it more difficult for schools to move up to FBS and even D1 competition. The NCAA now requires a $1.4 million application fee to move up from D2. That helps to discourage some schools from moving up to D1.

JMU may not have wanted to spend the money to move up. Liberty will not have that problem. EKU will be challenged to afford a move up. I think FBS expansion is coming to a close soon. I think that will make all FBS schools happy.
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(04-19-2014 09:40 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(04-19-2014 09:30 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Mike Silve will make sure the SBC is not hurt if he has any say, and you can take that to the bank (and like the previously proposed $2K stipend, has already made sure the upcoming changes want).

The SBC is, and has been, important as far as making sure the SEC gets what it wants, and the value that relationship highly.

Don't you find it interesting Silve is a an Ivy League grad? A product of the bastion of amateur athletics, pimping for a semi-pro league passing itself off as a college athletic conference dedicated to the welfare of the student athlete.
Think it would be worse without him.

I think it is a big plus for all the G5's that he is where he is at, but especially the SBC. Like Wright Waters said when asked about the unusually cozy relationship between the two leagues; "they pay the light bills".

Yes the SBC is now better able to take care of themselves,but based on all the doomsday comments about the coming changes, I did decide to ask someone close to the SBC where that relationship is today and he said they were "tight as thieves".

Like I have posted above nothing is going to happen to hurt the SBC if the SEC has any thing to say about it.
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(04-19-2014 05:55 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The P-5 conferences are tired of being regulated by rules set forth by an organization (the NCAA) that allows Idaho to have a vote that counts the same as Alabama's. The P-5 conferences are the one's with the money and they're finished with being bullied by the NCAA. By empowering a bureaucratic, socialist minded organization like the NCAA to dictate ridiculous rules that we all had to follow, we set the table for the revolt we're witnessing today. In 10 years, P-5 college football and men's basketball will have basically become minor leagues for the NFL and NBA. Major College athletics, at least as we've known them, will be ruined. Where we end up in all of this is still to be determined, but I don't like the direction that the G-5 is headed. I'm afraid we're going to end up about as irrelevant as FCS football is today.

lol, I agree with John Stewart...Sports ARE socialist minded groups. 07-coffee3

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(04-19-2014 09:05 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Make the NFL and NBA create their own minor leagues like MLB, NHL, and even the PGA. No one complains about baseball players or golfers leaving college early because colleges don't make money off those guys. The NFL and NBA are getting free player development on the colleges' dime.

What bothers me is all this talk of the schools making so much money on the backs of athletes. Less than 3% of NCAA members actually make money directly from their athletic programs. If those 20 programs want to continue being stoolies for the NFL and NBA, let them withdraw from the NCAA and we see how long they last just playing each other.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League
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(04-19-2014 09:40 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(04-19-2014 09:30 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Mike Silve will make sure the SBC is not hurt if he has any say, and you can take that to the bank (and like the previously proposed $2K stipend, has already made sure the upcoming changes want).

The SBC is, and has been, important as far as making sure the SEC gets what it wants, and the value that relationship highly.

Don't you find it interesting Silve is a an Ivy League grad? A product of the bastion of amateur athletics, pimping for a semi-pro league passing itself off as a college athletic conference dedicated to the welfare of the student athlete.

Lot of Ivy League grads are CEO of multi-million and multi-billion dollar enterprises.
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(04-19-2014 05:55 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The P-5 conferences are tired of being regulated by rules set forth by an organization (the NCAA) that allows Idaho to have a vote that counts the same as Alabama's. The P-5 conferences are the one's with the money and they're finished with being bullied by the NCAA. By empowering a bureaucratic, socialist minded organization like the

soooooooo one man one vote is now socialist.
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(04-19-2014 02:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  http://www.nba.com/dleague/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League

you still need to play in college before going into the D-league.
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(04-19-2014 05:38 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  
(04-19-2014 05:55 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The P-5 conferences are tired of being regulated by rules set forth by an organization (the NCAA) that allows Idaho to have a vote that counts the same as Alabama's. The P-5 conferences are the one's with the money and they're finished with being bullied by the NCAA. By empowering a bureaucratic, socialist minded organization like the

soooooooo one man one vote is now socialist.

Yep.

The NCAA is the most capitalist of the major sports in this country.

Schools form conferences that keep 100% of TV revenue and conference championship revenue. There is no guarantee share of gate revenue to visiting opponents. There is no over-arching body that determines scheduling, leaving it to the schools and conferences to set their own schedules.

The pro leagues require each team get an equal number of regular season games, the NFL even adjusts schedules to make it harder for top teams to win and easier for weaker teams to win. In college a top football team may play 60% more home games than a non-power league school.

The revenue from basketball post-season is divided into multiple funds. One fund rewards the number of scholarships awarded and one rewards the number of sports sponsored, those funds reward having large expensive programs. Another fund awards money based on post-season victories. But that revenue that goes into the sharing process is not that significant compared to gate receipts and TV revenue of the power league schools.

The football post-season divides the vast bulk of revenue between the five power leagues and awards around 15% of the remainder to be divided among the other five leagues.

There is no draft to insure poor performing teams have given priority access to top talent to become more competitive.

Now we move to the golden rule where he who has the gold makes the rules.
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(04-19-2014 06:04 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  
(04-19-2014 02:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  http://www.nba.com/dleague/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League

you still need to play in college before going into the D-league.

Not true. Age for the D-League is 18.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/santacruz/dleague_faqs.html


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