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RE: Breaking: MO State President-'no contact with sun belt'
If they are asked each time the SBC is thinking of adding their name was not included in this list from 2012





Emails show Sun Belt had grander vision in realignment

By Dieter Kurtenbach July 9, 2012 03:48 PM

For all the changes that have happened inside and out of the Sun Belt Conference, the league will still be recognizable, despite a massive turnover after the 2012-13 season.

This football season will be the final campaign in the Sun Belt for Conference-USA-bound FIU and North Texas. This, after non-football school Denver moved to the WAC earlier this month.

The three schools will be replaced by football-playing Texas State and Georgia State, and non-football member Texas-Arlington.

But a report by Adam Sparks and the Murfreesboro Daily News Journal shows that Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson wanted to do more than just replace the departing schools.

An open-records request by the paper shows that the Sun Belt tried to convince four C-USA teams to defect. Pitches to UAB, Southern Mississippi, East Carolina and Marshall fell on deaf ears.

Benson also offered Texas-San Antonio and Louisiana Tech, but put a 48-hour expiration date on the offers. Benson also made a pitch to Charlotte. All three schools joined C-USA.

The Sun Belt also proposed a 33-team superconference, joining with C-USA, the WAC and the Mountain West. That radical proposal never gained much traction, either.

The new member and the rebuffing prospects weren't the only schools Benson was looking at for the Sun Belt. In a powerpoint proposal to Sun Belt schools, the commissioner listed 21 candidates for conference expansion:

FBS candidates:
•Idaho (stayed in WAC, will likely fold football, in two-team league)
•Louisiana Tech (WAC to C-USA)
•New Mexico State (stayed in WAC, also expected to fold football program)
•San Jose State (WAC to Mountain West)
•Texas State (To join Sun Belt from WAC)
•Utah State (WAC to Mountain West)
•Texas-San Antonio (WAC to C-USA)

FCS candidates:
•Appalachian State (no movement, will remain in SoCon)
•Georgia Southern (six-time FCS champ will remain in SoCon)
•Georgia State (to join Sun Belt from Colonial Athletic Association)
•Jacksonville State (no movement from Ohio Valley Conference)
•James Madison (no movement from CAA)
•Liberty (no movement from Big South)
•Charlotte (starting football in 2013 as FCS independent, to join C-USA in 2015)
•Old Dominion (CAA to C-USA)

Non-football schools:
•Belmont (started football program, will play in FCS-Ohio Valley Conference)
•College of Charleston (stayed in SoCon)
•Florida Gulf Coast University (stayed in Atlantic Sun)
•North Florida (stayed in Atlantic Sun)
•St. Louis (stayed in Atlantic-10)


That open record request also kind of takes away the argument that Western tried to keep NMST out...

what I gather the SBC was going to offer them full membership but they would have rather dropped football before moving basketball back to the SBC.
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RE: Breaking: MO State President-'no contact with sun belt'
(04-16-2014 09:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If they are asked each time the SBC is thinking of adding their name was not included in this list from 2012





Emails show Sun Belt had grander vision in realignment

By Dieter Kurtenbach July 9, 2012 03:48 PM

For all the changes that have happened inside and out of the Sun Belt Conference, the league will still be recognizable, despite a massive turnover after the 2012-13 season.

This football season will be the final campaign in the Sun Belt for Conference-USA-bound FIU and North Texas. This, after non-football school Denver moved to the WAC earlier this month.

The three schools will be replaced by football-playing Texas State and Georgia State, and non-football member Texas-Arlington.

But a report by Adam Sparks and the Murfreesboro Daily News Journal shows that Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson wanted to do more than just replace the departing schools.

An open-records request by the paper shows that the Sun Belt tried to convince four C-USA teams to defect. Pitches to UAB, Southern Mississippi, East Carolina and Marshall fell on deaf ears.

Benson also offered Texas-San Antonio and Louisiana Tech, but put a 48-hour expiration date on the offers. Benson also made a pitch to Charlotte. All three schools joined C-USA.

The Sun Belt also proposed a 33-team superconference, joining with C-USA, the WAC and the Mountain West. That radical proposal never gained much traction, either.

The new member and the rebuffing prospects weren't the only schools Benson was looking at for the Sun Belt. In a powerpoint proposal to Sun Belt schools, the commissioner listed 21 candidates for conference expansion:

FBS candidates:
•Idaho (stayed in WAC, will likely fold football, in two-team league)
•Louisiana Tech (WAC to C-USA)
•New Mexico State (stayed in WAC, also expected to fold football program)
•San Jose State (WAC to Mountain West)
•Texas State (To join Sun Belt from WAC)
•Utah State (WAC to Mountain West)
•Texas-San Antonio (WAC to C-USA)

FCS candidates:
•Appalachian State (no movement, will remain in SoCon)
•Georgia Southern (six-time FCS champ will remain in SoCon)
•Georgia State (to join Sun Belt from Colonial Athletic Association)
•Jacksonville State (no movement from Ohio Valley Conference)
•James Madison (no movement from CAA)
•Liberty (no movement from Big South)
•Charlotte (starting football in 2013 as FCS independent, to join C-USA in 2015)
•Old Dominion (CAA to C-USA)

Non-football schools:
•Belmont (started football program, will play in FCS-Ohio Valley Conference)
•College of Charleston (stayed in SoCon)
•Florida Gulf Coast University (stayed in Atlantic Sun)
•North Florida (stayed in Atlantic Sun)
•St. Louis (stayed in Atlantic-10)


That open record request also kind of takes away the argument that Western tried to keep NMST out...

what I gather the SBC was going to offer them full membership but they would have rather dropped football before moving basketball back to the SBC.

There is no chance that NMSU would ever turn down an all sports bid. SBC Would have the right to dump their football program if that's the case. If they want to play that game...more power to them.

That and we're a much better basketball league than the awful WAC.
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RE: Breaking: MO State President-'no contact with sun belt'
NMSU is not turning down an all sports invite. In the next 45 days we will see if Liberty can get the 9 votes. They are trying everything they know to try.

EKU and Missouri St. are not going to happen before June 1 I don't think, so the choice is add Liberty in all sports, add UMass for FB and NMSU for all sports, or don't do what the conference has just voted to do --- that is invite no one.
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RE: Breaking: MO State President-'no contact with sun belt'
I will admit, I did find Sparks assuming that App State and Georgia Southern were committed to the SoCon amusing.
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RE: Breaking: MO State President-'no contact with sun belt'
(04-16-2014 09:46 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I will admit, I did find Sparks assuming that App State and Georgia Southern were committed to the SoCon amusing.

Around that time is when our local newspaper interviewed the AD and the headline was "Georgia Southern to stay FCS." There was a lot of conflict in the vision that the President had for the future of athletics and the message that the AD was communicating at the time. Several writers used that interview as the basis for statements like that, so you can't really blame them too much.
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RE: Breaking: MO State President-'no contact with sun belt'
NMSU pursued full membership and their AD was quoted not too long ago saying they had given up on that option because they couldn't get the votes.
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(04-16-2014 07:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The Sun Belt asked WKU to upgrade football in 2004 because we had a dire need. WKU said no, but in the end when the time was right for WKU you didn't see the league jack them around the way C-USA did UAB (forcing them to play 3 or 4 years as an indy before allowing them in) or USF (forced into I think 2 years as an indy).

It's not like Mo State when approached has ever said, "Go to hell we don't want in your league" they have been rather consistent in stating they aren't ready or capable of FBS. They need another 5,000 seats to even be viable as an FBS and while they have drawings for what it would look like, they don't have the money in hand to make it happen.

1.) I don't know the history of UAB or USF as well as I know WKU's; but you really can't compare WKU's situation to MO State's. WKU was a long, long time member of the Sun Belt and would always have an FBS football home there when and if they so chose. MO State, on the other hand, currently has a window of opportunity with an FBS confrence with 1/2 of the remaining slots in all of FBS (for the foreseeable future). A preseident who does not take this opportunity clearly has other priorities for his school and joining the Sun Belt isn't one of them.

2.) I didn't say they said 'gth we dont' want you'; I said their current situation, in their opinion, is preferable to joining the SBC and imo they don't really care about FBS because now is the time to move; who knows what the future holds. Not being "ready" is just an excuse, FIU and FAU weren't ready but seized the opportunity to play at the highest level with inferior infrastructure.

I know that ASU would love to have MO State in the ranks and I've always thought they would be a great fit. But geez, as some are saying, you've been rebuffed for 10 years; it's time to let it die.
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Breaking: MO State President-'no contact with sun belt'
(04-17-2014 08:04 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 07:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The Sun Belt asked WKU to upgrade football in 2004 because we had a dire need. WKU said no, but in the end when the time was right for WKU you didn't see the league jack them around the way C-USA did UAB (forcing them to play 3 or 4 years as an indy before allowing them in) or USF (forced into I think 2 years as an indy).

It's not like Mo State when approached has ever said, "Go to hell we don't want in your league" they have been rather consistent in stating they aren't ready or capable of FBS. They need another 5,000 seats to even be viable as an FBS and while they have drawings for what it would look like, they don't have the money in hand to make it happen.

1.) I don't know the history of UAB or USF as well as I know WKU's; but you really can't compare WKU's situation to MO State's. WKU was a long, long time member of the Sun Belt and would always have an FBS football home there when and if they so chose. MO State, on the other hand, currently has a window of opportunity with an FBS confrence with 1/2 of the remaining slots in all of FBS (for the foreseeable future). A preseident who does not take this opportunity clearly has other priorities for his school and joining the Sun Belt isn't one of them.

2.) I didn't say they said 'gth we dont' want you'; I said their current situation, in their opinion, is preferable to joining the SBC and imo they don't really care about FBS because now is the time to move; who knows what the future holds. Not being "ready" is just an excuse, FIU and FAU weren't ready but seized the opportunity to play at the highest level with inferior infrastructure.

I know that ASU would love to have MO State in the ranks and I've always thought they would be a great fit. But geez, as some are saying, you've been rebuffed for 10 years; it's time to let it die.

Each time the circumstances were different. Mo State hasn't reached the point of valuing FBS football. It took WKU nearly a decade once they had a clear path.


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(04-17-2014 09:41 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Each time the circumstances were different. Mo State hasn't reached the point of valuing FBS football.

Schools sit and tread water for years and decades timidly. Then they get a President that has a vision and drive...and they lurch forward and become something new.

Leadership is always the key.
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(04-16-2014 09:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  NMSU is not turning down an all sports invite. In the next 45 days we will see if Liberty can get the 9 votes. They are trying everything they know to try.

EKU and Missouri St. are not going to happen before June 1 I don't think, so the choice is add Liberty in all sports, add UMass for FB and NMSU for all sports, or don't do what the conference has just voted to do --- that is invite no one.

The SBC does not have to move before June 1. A conference championship game does not take precendence on which schools get invited.

Missouri State might not be politically ready to announce a move this year; however, after their stadium expansion they will be in better position to state the case to the state of Missouri. Like most states, Missouri Alumni run the state house and the purse strings.
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(04-17-2014 10:29 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 09:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  NMSU is not turning down an all sports invite. In the next 45 days we will see if Liberty can get the 9 votes. They are trying everything they know to try.
EKU and Missouri St. are not going to happen before June 1 I don't think, so the choice is add Liberty in all sports, add UMass for FB and NMSU for all sports, or don't do what the conference has just voted to do --- that is invite no one.
The SBC does not have to move before June 1. A conference championship game does not take precendence on which schools get invited.
Missouri State might not be politically ready to announce a move this year; however, after their stadium expansion they will be in better position to state the case to the state of Missouri. Like most states, Missouri Alumni run the state house and the purse strings.

What you say (FlaJag and asf) lends itself to a very interesting decision the Sun Belt can now make. Just as the MAC did, offer UMass a four year deal and then go back to MO State in year three to see if they are ready. If so, invite UMass to leave, if not, extend the 4 year contract for another 4 years. Seems like a win-win for everyone (except Liberty).
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