(04-15-2014 01:29 PM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 01:15 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  If Robbins does transfer in wouldn't be be playing this upcoming 2014 season? Or are there some eligibility/transfer rules that I am not considering.

He has already burned his Redshirt.

Why? He is transferring down a level and would be eligible to play just like Lee.

Understood but this is posted in 2015 Football Recruits. I wasn't sure if he left Ga Tech before the end of the Spring Semester was complete and that there might be some eligibility issues for the upcoming season.

(04-15-2014 10:39 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:36 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:14 AM)JMU85 Wrote:  Coaches are following Wesley McKoy (@wesmckoy) out of Toms River, NJ. Couldn't find much on him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgBO35K4iIU

It appears he was at the Spring Game by his pics.

He also received an offer this weekend from Coach Withers. Definitely appears that our staff is putting us in a position to land some really quality recruits. Could the coaches be armed with new information that is making JMU a more attractive option for three star athletes?

Thats a possibility!!! OR the most likely scenario is that the current coaching staff is better at recruiting than the previous.

Lol they have a long ways before comparison.

(04-15-2014 01:38 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:39 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:36 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:14 AM)JMU85 Wrote:  Coaches are following Wesley McKoy (@wesmckoy) out of Toms River, NJ. Couldn't find much on him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgBO35K4iIU

It appears he was at the Spring Game by his pics.

He also received an offer this weekend from Coach Withers. Definitely appears that our staff is putting us in a position to land some really quality recruits. Could the coaches be armed with new information that is making JMU a more attractive option for three star athletes?

Thats a possibility!!! OR the most likely scenario is that the current coaching staff is better at recruiting than the previous.

Lol they have a long ways before comparison.

Lol, based on anything post 2008 --- the old staff was very average at recruiting talent.

(04-15-2014 01:50 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 01:38 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:39 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:36 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:14 AM)JMU85 Wrote:  Coaches are following Wesley McKoy (@wesmckoy) out of Toms River, NJ. Couldn't find much on him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgBO35K4iIU

It appears he was at the Spring Game by his pics.

He also received an offer this weekend from Coach Withers. Definitely appears that our staff is putting us in a position to land some really quality recruits. Could the coaches be armed with new information that is making JMU a more attractive option for three star athletes?

Thats a possibility!!! OR the most likely scenario is that the current coaching staff is better at recruiting than the previous.

Lol they have a long ways before comparison.

Lol, based on anything post 2008 --- the old staff was very average at recruiting talent.

Lol dean Marlowe , Stephen Robertson , watford........do I really need to continue. Like I stated would have to have years and draft picks to compare to the old staffs recruiting.

(04-15-2014 03:24 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 01:50 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 01:38 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:39 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:36 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  He also received an offer this weekend from Coach Withers. Definitely appears that our staff is putting us in a position to land some really quality recruits. Could the coaches be armed with new information that is making JMU a more attractive option for three star athletes?

Thats a possibility!!! OR the most likely scenario is that the current coaching staff is better at recruiting than the previous.

Lol they have a long ways before comparison.

Lol, based on anything post 2008 --- the old staff was very average at recruiting talent.

Lol dean Marlowe , Stephen Robertson , watford........do I really need to continue. Like I stated would have to have years and draft picks to compare to the old staffs recruiting.

Well, to date that is ONE draft pick. Stephon was a great FCS player, fell thru the cracks b/c of his size and it is 50/50 he gets picked in the draft --- will be a FA sign but will have to make a team as a Special Teams guy and prove himself. Dean Marlowe needs to pick it up b/c last year I saw a very average player.

Akeem Jordan and Arthur Moats are in the league but they are not post 2008 I don't think.

Perhaps you should continue there has been a HUGE talent dropoff since 2008.......

I try to get you but it is really hard ----- this what you state:
- There has been no talent drop off
- The old coaching staff was great and made adjustments

Well I don't know how that can be the case after 2008 given the mediocre, at best product that has been put on the field at BFS. And don't give me a load of crap about 7-5, 6-6 not being bad records --- that freaking sucks when you typically schedule 2 gimme games each year....lol

Moats and Mike Caussin are 2010.

(04-15-2014 06:00 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Moats and Mike Caussin are 2010.

I thought you understood how recruiting works they finished at JMU in 2010 -- which is POST 2008 which means they were recruited prior to 2008 (2005/2006). So all this really does is further make my point that since 2008 there has been a big drop in recruiting talent.

So since 2004 when we won a freaking national title you can add:
Moats and Caussin to Watford --- that is outstanding recruiting there.

(04-15-2014 06:08 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 06:00 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Moats and Mike Caussin are 2010.

I thought you understood how recruiting works they finished at JMU in 2010 -- which is POST 2008 which means they were recruited prior to 2008 (2005/2006). So all this really does is further make my point that since 2008 there has been a big drop in recruiting talent.

So since 2004 when we won a freaking national title you can add:
Moats and Caussin to Watford --- that is outstanding recruiting there.

Jordan Stanton , Andre coble , Michael birdsong , Daquan Scott , sage Harold , rob nittilo ( Mickey recruit ) , Andre smith , Khalid , gage Steele. And Mickey had to approve all the scholarships anyway so it didn't matter post or current. Can't knock the previous staffs recruiting.

I feel like I remember hearing opposing coaches say that JMU had some of the best talent in FCS every year, which was almost always under-achieving. I don't know that I would say one way or another, but those other coaches seem to see something special in a lot of the talent that has been brought in over the last 4-5 years.

I would have to agree with HotRod, Dukes86 and opposing coaches. JMU has brought in great talent the past 5 years, especially Dean Marlowe's year when JMU had more "starred" recruits than not. I don't think the development was there which could be why we now have Whithers. I will just add it can be tough to separate "great recruiters" from "great resources". JMU is obviously a great school academically, favorable demographics*, BCS bound rumors and oh yeah a 25k stadium. The JMU coach recruiting me was perhaps the worst recruiter I spoke with but the other schools didn't have highly regarded business programs and didn't have 20+ of my friends and family. I choose to come to JMU for 3 or 4 reasons before even considering the football program.

*I was touring the Quad with a coach and a handful of other recruits one day. "This is our quad. It is a great place to spend down time in the Spring especially considering JMU is 66% girls. I know some of you players are bad at math but that means 2 girls for every 1 guy."

(04-15-2014 07:14 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 06:08 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 06:00 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Moats and Mike Caussin are 2010.

I thought you understood how recruiting works they finished at JMU in 2010 -- which is POST 2008 which means they were recruited prior to 2008 (2005/2006). So all this really does is further make my point that since 2008 there has been a big drop in recruiting talent.

So since 2004 when we won a freaking national title you can add:
Moats and Caussin to Watford --- that is outstanding recruiting there.

Jordan Stanton , Andre coble , Michael birdsong , Daquan Scott , sage Harold , rob nittilo ( Mickey recruit ) , Andre smith , Khalid , gage Steele. And Mickey had to approve all the scholarships anyway so it didn't matter post or current. Can't knock the previous staffs recruiting.

There are some solid players there but nothing to get all that excited about at this point. Anyway you slice MM never recruited enough talent to beat a start up program at ODU.

This is there job, everyone is gonna hit on some players.....the old staff since 2008 particularly did not hit on enough players or were incapable of developing the talent they recruited OR both.

Quick look at NFL (and close calls) it seems there has been a drop in the caliber coming out.

2008 Season: Evan McCollough, Landers, Dorien Brooks
2009 Season: McGee, Caussin, Moats
2010 Season: Ronnell Brown
2011 Season: DJ Bryant, Mike Allen
2012 Season: Watford
2013 Season: Robertson

(04-16-2014 01:05 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Quick look at NFL (and close calls) it seems there has been a drop in the caliber coming out.

2008 Season: Evan McCollough, Landers, Dorien Brooks
2009 Season: McGee, Caussin, Moats
2010 Season: Ronnell Brown
2011 Season: DJ Bryant, Mike Allen
2012 Season: Watford
2013 Season: Robertson

You don't say. I am not as concerned about the 'stars' of recruits as what the JMU coaching staff does to develop them once here.

Thank You for not including the human holding call - Josh Wells in that list for 2013. That is the exact same drop off I was talking about from 2008 forward.

(04-16-2014 01:40 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 01:05 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Quick look at NFL (and close calls) it seems there has been a drop in the caliber coming out.

2008 Season: Evan McCollough, Landers, Dorien Brooks
2009 Season: McGee, Caussin, Moats
2010 Season: Ronnell Brown
2011 Season: DJ Bryant, Mike Allen
2012 Season: Watford
2013 Season: Robertson

You don't say. I am not as concerned about the 'stars' of recruits as what the JMU coaching staff does to develop them once here.

Thank You for not including the human holding call - Josh Wells in that list for 2013. That is the exact same drop off I was talking about from 2008 forward.

How many nfl talents do you really expect from an FCS program. There are development stages at this level. So to say there was a drop of because of little nfl talent doesn't correlate at this level. How many nfl players in NDSU pumping out ? It's about system , training and development.

Looks like we picked up another commitment today. The teammate of our last 2015 commit (Andre Booker) is another DL named Dexter Brown, from the same school. listed as 6'2'' and 313lbs.

https://rivals.yahoo.com/floridastate/fo...leges=show

(04-16-2014 02:28 PM)Onyxduke7 Wrote:  Looks like we picked up another commitment today. The teammate of our last 2015 commit (Andre Booker) is another DL named Dexter Brown, from the same school. listed as 6'2'' and 313lbs.

https://rivals.yahoo.com/floridastate/fo...leges=show

No way we keep them if we stay fcs. He has not been offered yet by anyone else, but he has Nebraska and Mizzou looking at him along with Temple and Ole Dirty.

(04-16-2014 02:02 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 01:40 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 01:05 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Quick look at NFL (and close calls) it seems there has been a drop in the caliber coming out.

2008 Season: Evan McCollough, Landers, Dorien Brooks
2009 Season: McGee, Caussin, Moats
2010 Season: Ronnell Brown
2011 Season: DJ Bryant, Mike Allen
2012 Season: Watford
2013 Season: Robertson

You don't say. I am not as concerned about the 'stars' of recruits as what the JMU coaching staff does to develop them once here.

Thank You for not including the human holding call - Josh Wells in that list for 2013. That is the exact same drop off I was talking about from 2008 forward.

How many nfl talents do you really expect from an FCS program. There are development stages at this level. So to say there was a drop of because of little nfl talent doesn't correlate at this level. How many nfl players in NDSU pumping out ? It's about system , training and development.

Not that I disagree but you were the one who brought up draft picks when referring to the recruiting of talent --- NOT ME.

(04-16-2014 02:28 PM)Onyxduke7 Wrote:  Looks like we picked up another commitment today. The teammate of our last 2015 commit (Andre Booker) is another DL named Dexter Brown, from the same school. listed as 6'2'' and 313lbs.

https://rivals.yahoo.com/floridastate/fo...leges=show

Wonder if he knows about @CAA4Life?

(04-16-2014 02:02 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 01:40 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 01:05 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Quick look at NFL (and close calls) it seems there has been a drop in the caliber coming out.

2008 Season: Evan McCollough, Landers, Dorien Brooks
2009 Season: McGee, Caussin, Moats
2010 Season: Ronnell Brown
2011 Season: DJ Bryant, Mike Allen
2012 Season: Watford
2013 Season: Robertson

You don't say. I am not as concerned about the 'stars' of recruits as what the JMU coaching staff does to develop them once here.

Thank You for not including the human holding call - Josh Wells in that list for 2013. That is the exact same drop off I was talking about from 2008 forward.

How many nfl talents do you really expect from an FCS program. There are development stages at this level. So to say there was a drop of because of little nfl talent doesn't correlate at this level. How many nfl players in NDSU pumping out ? It's about system , training and development.

You are joking right? It has nothing to do with how many NFL players you expect from FCS or FBS or VT or Albany. The list was showing that there was a drop in talent of guys coming out of JMU which COULD correlate to Shady's statement that recruiting drop. The list isn't perfect but when you go from back to back years of 3 guys in NFL training camps to back to back years of 1 guy its enough there to say there was a change somewhere.

(04-16-2014 02:44 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 02:02 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 01:40 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 01:05 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Quick look at NFL (and close calls) it seems there has been a drop in the caliber coming out.

2008 Season: Evan McCollough, Landers, Dorien Brooks
2009 Season: McGee, Caussin, Moats
2010 Season: Ronnell Brown
2011 Season: DJ Bryant, Mike Allen
2012 Season: Watford
2013 Season: Robertson

You don't say. I am not as concerned about the 'stars' of recruits as what the JMU coaching staff does to develop them once here.

Thank You for not including the human holding call - Josh Wells in that list for 2013. That is the exact same drop off I was talking about from 2008 forward.

How many nfl talents do you really expect from an FCS program. There are development stages at this level. So to say there was a drop of because of little nfl talent doesn't correlate at this level. How many nfl players in NDSU pumping out ? It's about system , training and development.

You are joking right? It has nothing to do with how many NFL players you expect from FCS or FBS or VT or Albany. The list was showing that there was a drop in talent of guys coming out of JMU which COULD correlate to Shady's statement that recruiting drop. The list isn't perfect but when you go from back to back years of 3 guys in NFL training camps to back to back years of 1 guy its enough there to say there was a change somewhere.

It's not indicative of a talent drop off. I am speaking on young men able to compete at a high FCS level. That's who we should be and have been recruiting. Them making it to the NFL from here is a testament to their hard work , size and speed. Our 2004 team had plenty of talent And no senior nfl players.