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RE: A big plus for UMASS
(04-18-2014 07:35 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  There is zero upside to UMASS. They are looking for safe harbor without payment.

As much as I abhor the thought of Liberty, they bring so much more to the table. Facilities pretty good, Television, all sports, and a desire to grow the conference,footprint.

The preference for all logical, smart people is to stand pat at this time, but if they are hell bent on dilution then Liberty is the best candidate short and long term.

UMass as a temporary add makes a lot of sense to me. If we have a mutual agreement that we can part ways after 2 years then I think this will be good for both parties. It gets us to 12 so that we can have a CG this year and it gives them a home. They don't want to stay and we don't want them to stay. In two years time we can see if MoState, JMU, EKU are ready... or better yet maybe the Belt will be in a much better place by then or perhaps we will have a new TV deal and teams like Southern Miss will see us in a different light. I feel the Belt set the bar last year with Ga Southern and App. We don't need to bring in any programs that aren't at that level or higher.
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RE: A big plus for UMASS
(04-18-2014 08:23 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 07:35 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  There is zero upside to UMASS. They are looking for safe harbor without payment.

As much as I abhor the thought of Liberty, they bring so much more to the table. Facilities pretty good, Television, all sports, and a desire to grow the conference,footprint.

The preference for all logical, smart people is to stand pat at this time, but if they are hell bent on dilution then Liberty is the best candidate short and long term.

UMass as a temporary add makes a lot of sense to me. If we have a mutual agreement that we can part ways after 2 years then I think this will be good for both parties. It gets us to 12 so that we can have a CG this year and it gives them a home. They don't want to stay and we don't want them to stay. In two years time we can see if MoState, JMU, EKU are ready... or better yet maybe the Belt will be in a much better place by then or perhaps we will have a new TV deal and teams like Southern Miss will see us in a different light. I feel the Belt set the bar last year with Ga Southern and App. We don't need to bring in any programs that aren't at that level or higher.

This TEMPORARY talk is ridiculous. It does not meet the intent in building a strong and stable conference. Idaho and NMSU is here to stay. We need to get over it. UMASS would make a great fit in the conference. Is the conference perfectly aligned in a region? No. But, who cares! No one travels to all the away games! NMSU has a strong basketball program and will bring proper balance in sports. Look at the big picture: UMASS brings a northern market, Idaho brings a western market, and NMSU brings a southwestern market.

UMASS football only, NMSU all sports.
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RE: A big plus for UMASS
It would be nice to travel to Boston every other year. With what is left UMass only seems like the best add at this point if we are determined to add one.
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RE: A big plus for UMASS
(04-18-2014 09:25 AM)asupatch Wrote:  It would be nice to travel to Boston every other year. With what is left UMass only seems like the best add at this point if we are determined to add one.

Boston is a wonderful city and is especially beautiful in the fall.
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RE: A big plus for UMASS
(04-18-2014 10:20 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 09:25 AM)asupatch Wrote:  It would be nice to travel to Boston every other year. With what is left UMass only seems like the best add at this point if we are determined to add one.

Boston is a wonderful city and is especially beautiful in the fall.

Dave Loggins.... is that you?

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RE: A big plus for UMASS
Sorry to disappoint you guys, but UMass is in Amherst, which is an 1.5 hours West of Boston. Yes, we are playing 3 games in Foxboro this year and 3 games in Amherst. Foxboro is about 45 minutes SouthWest of Boston. But you can definitely stop and visit Boston too.

I'm cool with joining the Sun Belt for football only if you guys invite us. I think the Sun Belt teams have some of the best fan bases in the country. Much better than the MAC.
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"The People's Republic of Amherst" - Happy Valley area - liberal bastion
Guess they were talking about flying into Boston.
UMass has some ardent fans. Their place was on fire, literally, a few
years ago after they lost a football game. State Police had to be
called. Shows they care.
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RE: A big plus for UMASS
(04-18-2014 09:18 AM)Panarican Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 08:23 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 07:35 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  There is zero upside to UMASS. They are looking for safe harbor without payment.

As much as I abhor the thought of Liberty, they bring so much more to the table. Facilities pretty good, Television, all sports, and a desire to grow the conference,footprint.

The preference for all logical, smart people is to stand pat at this time, but if they are hell bent on dilution then Liberty is the best candidate short and long term.

UMass as a temporary add makes a lot of sense to me. If we have a mutual agreement that we can part ways after 2 years then I think this will be good for both parties. It gets us to 12 so that we can have a CG this year and it gives them a home. They don't want to stay and we don't want them to stay. In two years time we can see if MoState, JMU, EKU are ready... or better yet maybe the Belt will be in a much better place by then or perhaps we will have a new TV deal and teams like Southern Miss will see us in a different light. I feel the Belt set the bar last year with Ga Southern and App. We don't need to bring in any programs that aren't at that level or higher.

This TEMPORARY talk is ridiculous. It does not meet the intent in building a strong and stable conference. Idaho and NMSU is here to stay. We need to get over it. UMASS would make a great fit in the conference. Is the conference perfectly aligned in a region? No. But, who cares! No one travels to all the away games! NMSU has a strong basketball program and will bring proper balance in sports. Look at the big picture: UMASS brings a northern market, Idaho brings a western market, and NMSU brings a southwestern market.

UMASS football only, NMSU all sports.


These markets you speak of are micro markets and not worth a consideration. UMASS is not even close to the outlier App State, over eight hundred miles drive.

I agree it is not appropriate to bring a team on for temporary purposes not related to conference survival and UMASS is not THAT.
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RE: A big plus for UMASS
(04-18-2014 12:06 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  "The People's Republic of Amherst" - Happy Valley area - liberal bastion
Guess they were talking about flying into Boston.
UMass has some ardent fans. Their place was on fire, literally, a few
years ago after they lost a football game. State Police had to be
called. Shows they care.

Its a pretty area. Its easier to fly into Bradley Airport (Hartford) than Logan for UMass.
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RE: A big plus for UMASS
(04-18-2014 07:35 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  There is zero upside to UMASS. They are looking for safe harbor without payment.

As much as I abhor the thought of Liberty, they bring so much more to the table. Facilities pretty good, Television, all sports, and a desire to grow the conference,footprint.
And plus their record of success playing in FCS championships over the past decade.

Quote: The preference for all logical, smart people is to stand pat at this time, but if they are hell bent on dilution then Liberty is the best candidate short and long term.
For UMass, though, the Sunbelt doesn't have to move now to bring UMass in for a 2015 CCG, since UMass is an FBS school, so the Sunbelt can wait and see what happens to the rules with CCG's (which could, after all, be relaxing the division round robin requirement without relaxing the 12-school requirement), and still move to add UMass in 2015 is they decide to.

So having an available FBS school sitting out there trying to sort out its future makes it even easier to punt on expansion this go around.
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It's also easy to fly into Providence for the Gillette games. Most of my relatives fly Southwest out of Providence.
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RE: A big plus for UMASS
(04-18-2014 11:41 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Sorry to disappoint you guys, but UMass is in Amherst, which is an 1.5 hours West of Boston. Yes, we are playing 3 games in Foxboro this year and 3 games in Amherst. Foxboro is about 45 minutes SouthWest of Boston. But you can definitely stop and visit Boston too.

I'm cool with joining the Sun Belt for football only if you guys invite us. I think the Sun Belt teams have some of the best fan bases in the country. Much better than the MAC.

In states like Texas and even the length of Florida etc....1.5 hours is not bad....UMASS maybe fine with me the Berkshires and Boston it all would make for a great 4 day travel trip....
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(04-19-2014 10:05 AM)Buzz Lightyear Lite Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 11:41 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Sorry to disappoint you guys, but UMass is in Amherst, which is an 1.5 hours West of Boston. Yes, we are playing 3 games in Foxboro this year and 3 games in Amherst. Foxboro is about 45 minutes SouthWest of Boston. But you can definitely stop and visit Boston too.

I'm cool with joining the Sun Belt for football only if you guys invite us. I think the Sun Belt teams have some of the best fan bases in the country. Much better than the MAC.

In states like Texas and even the length of Florida etc....1.5 hours is not bad....UMASS maybe fine with me the Berkshires and Boston it all would make for a great 4 day travel trip....

Totally agree. More attractive than Lynchburg, VA.
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(04-14-2014 04:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 07:22 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 06:54 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 06:31 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  I think the Sun Belt should give NMSU and ultimatum and boot Idaho. Moscow is just too far. Our league is not as desperate as Benson acts. To NMSU, I would offer all sports, move on or pay about $500k to be a football only member. The same for UMASS, they can be football only, but it will cost them $500k. If they don't like it, no hard feelings and good luck.

Why would NMSU need an ultimatum? They WANT to be in all sports. It was the Sun Belt that said no to that.

If that it is true, I wasn't aware. First time I have heard that. I would hope the SBC would change their minds and offer them a chance for all sports.

NMSU would move all of its sports to the Sun Belt, willingly. They play in a dumpster fire of a conference with just as much travel as they'd have to perform in the Sun Belt. They play in a conference with a for profit 'college'. And UTPA, which was tossed from the Sun Belt (for real, they were expelled for sucking really badly).

I have no problem having our womens basketball, mens basketball, baseball, and softball teams traveling to the El Paso area once (at most) each year.

Quite frankly, I'd rather have NMSU's basketball than their football.

NMSU basketball along with UMASS providing some basketball games for exposure to our conference would help considerably.
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(04-16-2014 08:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 10:16 AM)MJG Wrote:  They host two BCS schools this year one that is local.
Expanding their on campus stadium and only playing these types of games at Gillette would be huge. How many non BCS schools can host a local BCS school or two in one year.

Boston College and Colorado

We've been doing it for decades.

utsa had big name bcs schools scheduled to come in to san antonio before they even began playing.
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(04-13-2014 10:16 AM)MJG Wrote:  They host two BCS schools this year one that is local.
Expanding their on campus stadium and only playing these types of games at Gillette would be huge. How many non BCS schools can host a local BCS school or two in one year.

Boston College and Colorado

USA hosts both Mississippi State and Nave this year at Ladd.
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(04-26-2014 08:20 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 10:16 AM)MJG Wrote:  They host two BCS schools this year one that is local.
Expanding their on campus stadium and only playing these types of games at Gillette would be huge. How many non BCS schools can host a local BCS school or two in one year.

Boston College and Colorado

USA hosts both Mississippi State and Nave this year at Ladd.
Mississippi State counts
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