(04-14-2014 08:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:46 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  that said i have to tip my cap (30 degree tilt flat-bill) at 90fan. his scorched earth trolling of asu is some of the best i've seen since my probation points days back when i was on the firewater.

Really? Not knowing when his team won championships in the last decade seems a little weak.

You guys keep feeding Cajun90 and you will keep getting two scoops of crazy in return.

(04-14-2014 06:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:32 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  I believe we were co-Champs for a few of those which I don't count.

You were co-champs in 2005 which was NOT one of the three I was referring to. You were co-champs last year. Whether or not you count that as a championship for stAte and Louisiana is of no consequence since everyone else in the world counts it.

It does bring up the fact though that you don't seem to know much about your team's past.

Read carefully...I don't count co champs unless we beat that team so in my mind we are the 13 champs.

(04-14-2014 08:13 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:46 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:06 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  Being nationally ranked in a major college sport is much better. I wouldn't trade that for 12K and a odd story from the national media.

Baseball is not a major college sport, as much as you want it to be to lend credence to your argument.

There are two major college sports: football and MBB.

Baseball is probably fourth behind WBB.

false. at least the behind wbb statement.

maybe behind wbb in murfreesboro or key west womensfest but not in the real sports world.

but you are correct in saying there are only 2. football big time at the top and mens hoops behind that.

that said i have to tip my cap (30 degree tilt flat-bill) at 90fan. his scorched earth trolling of asu is some of the best i've seen since my probation points days back when i was on the firewater.

I expect ESPN broadcasts more WBB and the average attendance is higher nationwide for WBB as well. Which metric would you like to go by?

my metric is the beed-o-meter. i couldn't care less about the blue-hair geriatrics or the other 'cough cough' target audience for fake slow-motion basketball.

lets just stick with your football and mbb argument. i'm fully in agreement on that one.

That's all well and good my friend, but if there are more butts in seats and more media attention, I don't see how you can argue college baseball is "bigger".

I know you're no fan of WBB and I'm not trying to convince you, or anyone to become one, but WBB is the third most popular college sport(technically fourth if you divide FBS/FCS).

We may be splitting hairs though as neither are major sports.

(04-14-2014 08:20 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:32 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  I believe we were co-Champs for a few of those which I don't count.

You were co-champs in 2005 which was NOT one of the three I was referring to. You were co-champs last year. Whether or not you count that as a championship for stAte and Louisiana is of no consequence since everyone else in the world counts it.

It does bring up the fact though that you don't seem to know much about your team's past.

Read carefully...I don't count co champs unless we beat that team so in my mind we are the 13 champs.

I'll make sure to inform the SBC offices...

(04-14-2014 07:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:06 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 05:55 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 05:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Auction closed today. Naturally the first thing ESPN did was to contact the winner and is working on an interview.

The understanding we have is that the guy who won the auction is a 25 year old entrepreneur from the New York City area. He has no ties to Arkansas State, and has never attended an ASU athletic function before. He will pay $11,700 to the Red Wolves Foundation for the opportunity to coach the game.

What's better than free publicity?

Publicity someone pays you $12,000 to give you. Jealous.

Being nationally ranked in a major college sport is much better. I wouldn't trade that for 12K and a odd story from the national media.

Baseball is not a major college sport, as much as you want it to be to lend credence to your argument.

There are two major college sports: football and MBB.

Baseball is probably fourth behind WBB.

MTPiKapp said:
"Baseball is not a major college sport"

Opinion, not backed by any evidence? That must be the reason athletic programs are spending millions on baseball stadiums. I'm not saying WBB is not #3 college sport in the NCAA's, although I would love to see the numbers. I suspect WBB is big in some regions because of the traditional programs. But your statement is another example of you presenting your opinion as fact!

(04-14-2014 08:20 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  Read carefully...I don't count co champs unless we beat that team so in my mind we are the 13 champs.

I was referring to your concept that you shared a "few" co-championships with us during the last few years.

(04-14-2014 08:17 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:46 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  that said i have to tip my cap (30 degree tilt flat-bill) at 90fan. his scorched earth trolling of asu is some of the best i've seen since my probation points days back when i was on the firewater.

Really? Not knowing when his team won championships in the last decade seems a little weak.

You guys keep feeding Cajun90 and you will keep getting two scoops of crazy in return.

I've always found that feeding them is more entertaining than not.

(04-14-2014 08:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:06 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 05:55 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 05:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Auction closed today. Naturally the first thing ESPN did was to contact the winner and is working on an interview.

The understanding we have is that the guy who won the auction is a 25 year old entrepreneur from the New York City area. He has no ties to Arkansas State, and has never attended an ASU athletic function before. He will pay $11,700 to the Red Wolves Foundation for the opportunity to coach the game.

What's better than free publicity?

Publicity someone pays you $12,000 to give you. Jealous.

Being nationally ranked in a major college sport is much better. I wouldn't trade that for 12K and a odd story from the national media.

Baseball is not a major college sport, as much as you want it to be to lend credence to your argument.

There are two major college sports: football and MBB.

Baseball is probably fourth behind WBB.

MTPiKapp said:
"Baseball is not a major college sport"

Opinion, not backed by any evidence? That must be the reason athletic programs are spending millions on baseball stadiums. I'm not saying WBB is not #3 college sport in the NCAA's, although I would love to see the numbers. I suspect WBB is big in some regions because of the traditional programs. But your statement is another example of you presenting your opinion as fact!

There is a large drop off for all college sports in terms of attendance/budget after football/MBB.

When is the last time outside of top ten plays and the college WS you saw college baseball covered on sportscenter? Hell baseball still awards partial scholarships unlike FBS football or D1BB.

Whatever way you wish to phrase it, whatever term you wish to use, baseball does not belong in the same conversation as FBS football or MBB.

(04-14-2014 08:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:06 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 05:55 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 05:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Auction closed today. Naturally the first thing ESPN did was to contact the winner and is working on an interview.

The understanding we have is that the guy who won the auction is a 25 year old entrepreneur from the New York City area. He has no ties to Arkansas State, and has never attended an ASU athletic function before. He will pay $11,700 to the Red Wolves Foundation for the opportunity to coach the game.

What's better than free publicity?

Publicity someone pays you $12,000 to give you. Jealous.

Being nationally ranked in a major college sport is much better. I wouldn't trade that for 12K and a odd story from the national media.

Baseball is not a major college sport, as much as you want it to be to lend credence to your argument.

There are two major college sports: football and MBB.

Baseball is probably fourth behind WBB.

MTPiKapp said:
"Baseball is not a major college sport"

Opinion, not backed by any evidence? That must be the reason athletic programs are spending millions on baseball stadiums. I'm not saying WBB is not #3 college sport in the NCAA's, although I would love to see the numbers. I suspect WBB is big in some regions because of the traditional programs. But your statement is another example of you presenting your opinion as fact!

Generally speaking, a sport is not considered major unless it provides a revenue stream for the school. There are maybe 15 baseball programs that make money.

(04-14-2014 08:20 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:32 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  I believe we were co-Champs for a few of those which I don't count.

You were co-champs in 2005 which was NOT one of the three I was referring to. You were co-champs last year. Whether or not you count that as a championship for stAte and Louisiana is of no consequence since everyone else in the world counts it.

It does bring up the fact though that you don't seem to know much about your team's past.

Read carefully...I don't count co champs unless we beat that team so in my mind we are the 13 champs.

So you base this s*** off what's in your mind? That's awesome. Well I'm contacting the BCS to demand our 2014 national championship trophy. In my mind we're the rightful champions.

(04-14-2014 08:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:06 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 05:55 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  What's better than free publicity?

Publicity someone pays you $12,000 to give you. Jealous.

Being nationally ranked in a major college sport is much better. I wouldn't trade that for 12K and a odd story from the national media.

Baseball is not a major college sport, as much as you want it to be to lend credence to your argument.

There are two major college sports: football and MBB.

Baseball is probably fourth behind WBB.

MTPiKapp said:
"Baseball is not a major college sport"

Opinion, not backed by any evidence? That must be the reason athletic programs are spending millions on baseball stadiums. I'm not saying WBB is not #3 college sport in the NCAA's, although I would love to see the numbers. I suspect WBB is big in some regions because of the traditional programs. But your statement is another example of you presenting your opinion as fact!

Generally speaking, a sport is not considered major unless it provides a revenue stream for the school. There are maybe 15 baseball programs that make money.

We are one of them. Tell LSU fans college baseball isn't major.

(04-14-2014 08:52 PM)A-State Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:20 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:32 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  I believe we were co-Champs for a few of those which I don't count.

You were co-champs in 2005 which was NOT one of the three I was referring to. You were co-champs last year. Whether or not you count that as a championship for stAte and Louisiana is of no consequence since everyone else in the world counts it.

It does bring up the fact though that you don't seem to know much about your team's past.

Read carefully...I don't count co champs unless we beat that team so in my mind we are the 13 champs.

So you base this s*** off what's in your mind? That's awesome. Well I'm contacting the BCS to demand our 2014 national championship trophy. In my mind we're the rightful champions.

You've done nothing to merit such a claim.

(04-14-2014 09:27 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:06 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  Being nationally ranked in a major college sport is much better. I wouldn't trade that for 12K and a odd story from the national media.

Baseball is not a major college sport, as much as you want it to be to lend credence to your argument.

There are two major college sports: football and MBB.

Baseball is probably fourth behind WBB.

MTPiKapp said:
"Baseball is not a major college sport"

Opinion, not backed by any evidence? That must be the reason athletic programs are spending millions on baseball stadiums. I'm not saying WBB is not #3 college sport in the NCAA's, although I would love to see the numbers. I suspect WBB is big in some regions because of the traditional programs. But your statement is another example of you presenting your opinion as fact!

Generally speaking, a sport is not considered major unless it provides a revenue stream for the school. There are maybe 15 baseball programs that make money.

We are one of them. Tell LSU fans college baseball isn't major.

That's like saying "tell UCONN fans WBB isn't major" or "tell Minnesota fans hockey isn't major."

Pointing out the exceptions doesn't make them exceptions any less. Baseball is not a major college sport, even if it is wildly popular and important in a handful of places.

(04-14-2014 09:30 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:52 PM)A-State Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:20 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 06:32 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  I believe we were co-Champs for a few of those which I don't count.

You were co-champs in 2005 which was NOT one of the three I was referring to. You were co-champs last year. Whether or not you count that as a championship for stAte and Louisiana is of no consequence since everyone else in the world counts it.

It does bring up the fact though that you don't seem to know much about your team's past.

Read carefully...I don't count co champs unless we beat that team so in my mind we are the 13 champs.

So you base this s*** off what's in your mind? That's awesome. Well I'm contacting the BCS to demand our 2014 national championship trophy. In my mind we're the rightful champions.

You've done nothing to merit such a claim.

And you have given merit to your claim as sole SBC champions for 2013?

(04-14-2014 09:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 09:27 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 07:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Baseball is not a major college sport, as much as you want it to be to lend credence to your argument.

There are two major college sports: football and MBB.

Baseball is probably fourth behind WBB.

MTPiKapp said:
"Baseball is not a major college sport"

Opinion, not backed by any evidence? That must be the reason athletic programs are spending millions on baseball stadiums. I'm not saying WBB is not #3 college sport in the NCAA's, although I would love to see the numbers. I suspect WBB is big in some regions because of the traditional programs. But your statement is another example of you presenting your opinion as fact!

Generally speaking, a sport is not considered major unless it provides a revenue stream for the school. There are maybe 15 baseball programs that make money.

We are one of them. Tell LSU fans college baseball isn't major.

That's like saying "tell UCONN fans WBB isn't major" or "tell Minnesota fans hockey isn't major."

Pointing out the exceptions doesn't make them exceptions any less. Baseball is not a major college sport, even if it is wildly popular and important in a handful of places.

Exactly. A Major sport is someone where a large percentage of schools use it for a revenue stream. Because 15 baseball programs make money doesn't make it a major sport.

And I would love to see documentation showing the Cajuns actually make money off baseball.

(04-14-2014 09:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 09:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 09:27 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  MTPiKapp said:
"Baseball is not a major college sport"

Opinion, not backed by any evidence? That must be the reason athletic programs are spending millions on baseball stadiums. I'm not saying WBB is not #3 college sport in the NCAA's, although I would love to see the numbers. I suspect WBB is big in some regions because of the traditional programs. But your statement is another example of you presenting your opinion as fact!

Generally speaking, a sport is not considered major unless it provides a revenue stream for the school. There are maybe 15 baseball programs that make money.

We are one of them. Tell LSU fans college baseball isn't major.

That's like saying "tell UCONN fans WBB isn't major" or "tell Minnesota fans hockey isn't major."

Pointing out the exceptions doesn't make them exceptions any less. Baseball is not a major college sport, even if it is wildly popular and important in a handful of places.

Exactly. A Major sport is someone where a large percentage of schools use it for a revenue stream. Because 15 baseball programs make money doesn't make it a major sport.

And I would love to see documentation showing the Cajuns actually make money off baseball.

I don't have any proof but if we are averaging well over 3k per game AND serving beer at games, we have to at least be breaking even (which I understand is not making money).

(04-14-2014 09:56 PM)dwinging_sick Wrote:  I don't have any proof but if we are averaging well over 3k per game AND serving beer at games, we have to at least be breaking even (which I understand is not making money).

That's very impressive, even if it does not dispute the actual point that overwhelming college baseball is not a major sport.

(04-14-2014 09:56 PM)dwinging_sick Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 09:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 09:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 09:27 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Generally speaking, a sport is not considered major unless it provides a revenue stream for the school. There are maybe 15 baseball programs that make money.

We are one of them. Tell LSU fans college baseball isn't major.

That's like saying "tell UCONN fans WBB isn't major" or "tell Minnesota fans hockey isn't major."

Pointing out the exceptions doesn't make them exceptions any less. Baseball is not a major college sport, even if it is wildly popular and important in a handful of places.

Exactly. A Major sport is someone where a large percentage of schools use it for a revenue stream. Because 15 baseball programs make money doesn't make it a major sport.

And I would love to see documentation showing the Cajuns actually make money off baseball.

I don't have any proof but if we are averaging well over 3k per game AND serving beer at games, we have to at least be breaking even (which I understand is not making money).

Depends, how much is the Athletic Department spending on that beer before selling it?

(04-14-2014 09:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 09:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 09:27 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  MTPiKapp said:
"Baseball is not a major college sport"

Opinion, not backed by any evidence? That must be the reason athletic programs are spending millions on baseball stadiums. I'm not saying WBB is not #3 college sport in the NCAA's, although I would love to see the numbers. I suspect WBB is big in some regions because of the traditional programs. But your statement is another example of you presenting your opinion as fact!

Generally speaking, a sport is not considered major unless it provides a revenue stream for the school. There are maybe 15 baseball programs that make money.

We are one of them. Tell LSU fans college baseball isn't major.

That's like saying "tell UCONN fans WBB isn't major" or "tell Minnesota fans hockey isn't major."

Pointing out the exceptions doesn't make them exceptions any less. Baseball is not a major college sport, even if it is wildly popular and important in a handful of places.

Exactly. A Major sport is someone where a large percentage of schools use it for a revenue stream. Because 15 baseball programs make money doesn't make it a major sport.

And I would love to see documentation showing the Cajuns actually make money off baseball.

Generally speaking, a sport is not considered major unless it provides a revenue stream for the school. There are maybe 15 baseball programs that make money.

Positive revenue streams are mostly a myth in college athletics in most programs including yours. There are not more then 10 college football programs in the NCAA that actually made money in 2013. UL's program generally have broken even in baseball and softball over the past few years due to small budgets covering only scholarships and uniforms. The majority of our softball and baseball expenses are raised from private funds including raising salaries.

So if you are telling me that you consider only positive revenue revenue sports are considered major sports, then that means only 10 programs in the country have major football programs. I would love to see both of your programs expense and revenue reports for your WBB programs from the 2013 fiscal year. Both of your programs have had good traditions, but most mid-majors are not bringing in large streams of revenue in WBB. How can I tell, check out the attendance numbers. UL baseball out draws a large number of WBB programs in the country. Season tickets sales are your main revenue driver period. MTU and WKU are not the norms for most mid-majors programs. But Chiefsfan, you don't have a leg to stand on with your WBB program delivering more revenue then UL's baseball program. Only one WBB program out draws UL baseball in attendance in both conferences, MTU.

ASU WBB Attendance 1168 APG
MTU WBB Attendance 4836 APG
UL Baseball Attendance 3518 APG

2.8 Mil people viewed the NCAA WBB Final Four this year, the largest viewing audience in a decade according to ESPN. 2.1 Mil people viewed the last two days of the 2013 College World Series. Those numbers suggest that they are not as far apart as you suggest in popularity.

(04-14-2014 10:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 09:56 PM)dwinging_sick Wrote:  I don't have any proof but if we are averaging well over 3k per game AND serving beer at games, we have to at least be breaking even (which I understand is not making money).

That's very impressive, even if it does not dispute the actual point that overwhelming college baseball is not a major sport.

No, but nor does your statement that WBB programs are revenue drivers. Look across the board at NCAA WBB attendance, UL baseball outdraws are large number of those programs in attendance. Season ticket sales are your main revenue stream unless you have an SEC or ACC TV contract deal in place.