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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 07:07 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 06:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 06:12 PM)Florida Red Wolf Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 05:16 PM)LUalumfromnc Wrote:  ayet. It is not over until there is confirmation who the 12th member is. I hope Liberty is that member and I do not know why all this hate is happening towards my alma mater. If Liberty is the new member this is going to be a great new rivalry between Appy State and LU!!!!




Hate is usually centered on ignorance, the unknown and bias. Liberty would probably be a better choice than most but I'm not boosting any given that I'm no 12th team man.

The concerns of those of us opposed to Liberty's inclusion in the Sun Belt are based upon facts. Feel free to produce an openly Gay LU employee (not some contractor hired for a week), a practicing Jewish employee of the school, and the full Liberty Way student handbook that so that everyone can see the policies proscribing discipline for Gay students in federally recognized marriages. I think even the LU folks wont dare defend Mat Staver (then why does JFJ?) We feel that LU's 'strategy' of rejecting the talents of millions of Americans, simply because of those Americans' religion or sexual orientation is stupid and will produce less success in athletics.

None of LU's controversial policies are justified by any rational interpretation of Christianity (really - where in the Bible does it justify not employing persons outside your faith?). Nor will LU changing a few policies and reining in a Law School Dean that embarrasses the University just about every week on a network radio program make LU less of a Christian institution. Rather, it would make it MORE of one IMHO.

Liberty would be "a better than most" choice if they were willing to change a few policies (and would make them real peers of institutions they apparently aspire to be peers of, such as SMU and Notre Dame)

And guys, Liberty's behavior is going to look even worse next year. And even worse the year after that. If you want to argue that a school that rejects the talents of just about everyone is likely to be successful, then go right ahead. But its not what most people think. And that type of overt discrimination will be less and less acceptable as time progresses. And with LU's reluctance to cooperate with anyone, this might present an even greater issue moving forward.

But I guess we do have a way to force LU out of the Belt if they somehow get a bid. Just have the membership vote in some non-discrimination rules binding on all member institutions.

Without taking the time to look up smu, Tom you do realize that at notre dame you have to agree with, abide by, and advance the Catholic mission. So to say you'd take them and not Liberty wrecks your reasoning (since athletics is not considered)

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Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

According to U.S. News, 22.8% of students are accepted to Liberty. I think they (U.S. News) used to report +90% but that was because Liberty didn't give out the information showing how many students they had turned down. Because of this, among some other things, it really dragged down their ranking and since they reported a more accurate number then their ranking increased.

I've heard it mentioned here several times that many of the schools in the Sun Belt have the mission to offer affordable and quality education to in-state students. Liberty is similar in the way that they want to offer quality education to as many individuals as they can because they believe that everyone deserves the chance at a Christian education. Dr. Falwell Sr. used to say, "If it's Christian, it should be better."

I think chiefsfan (and I'm sorry if it was someone else or I'm misquoting) said it best, "Liberty is a private school acting like a public while JMU is a public school acting like a private."
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:07 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 07:05 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  Maybe we are throwing out another life line this time to UMASS adding them and Liberty in 2015 and then MO St in 2016 to go to 14.

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My money's on this.


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Yeah I thought it would be possible as well especially if this was a deal with the western schools to include a NMSU all sports add as well.

By 2016 your divisions would look like-
East:
UMass (football only)
Liberty
App St
GA St
GA So
Troy
USA

West:
Idaho (football only)
NMSU
Texas St
MO St
Ark St
ULM
ULL

With UALR and UTA as non-football schools if we wanted to go to divisions for Olympic sports UALR could be in the East and UTA the West. It would make a nice 14/14 team conference with one geographic outlier in each division.
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:07 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 07:05 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  Maybe we are throwing out another life line this time to UMASS adding them and Liberty in 2015 and then MO St in 2016 to go to 14.

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My money's on this.

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This is what is for certain. No one on this board knows exactly what's happening. I'm hearing this, or a source said that. It all comes down to guesses until the league starts intentionally leaking some info out which is what many Liberty fans thought was happening. I'm right back to square one.

On a side note if Liberty were to be invited to the SB I would hope the moderators would clamp down on some of the hatred that is being spewed by a small group of posters.
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
This is like a roller coaster trying to figure out what is going on. Here is 1 interpretation of events:

Liberty's president was reported to have told some board of trustees or goverance at Liberty that he would not know until mid-late May if Liberty would be invited to the Sun Belt or not. If we accept that is true then one has to ask the question why is the Sun Belt waiting until mid-late May. 1 reason COULD be that James Madison has asked the Sun Belt to give them until after the CAA season is over to make a decision. I would assume they are still hoping for a MAC invite but if none is forthcoming then JMU will be given 1 last opportunity to accept the Sun Belt invite. If they decline then Liberty is invited in mid-late May.
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:14 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 07:07 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 06:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 06:12 PM)Florida Red Wolf Wrote:  Hate is usually centered on ignorance, the unknown and bias. Liberty would probably be a better choice than most but I'm not boosting any given that I'm no 12th team man.

The concerns of those of us opposed to Liberty's inclusion in the Sun Belt are based upon facts. Feel free to produce an openly Gay LU employee (not some contractor hired for a week), a practicing Jewish employee of the school, and the full Liberty Way student handbook that so that everyone can see the policies proscribing discipline for Gay students in federally recognized marriages. I think even the LU folks wont dare defend Mat Staver (then why does JFJ?) We feel that LU's 'strategy' of rejecting the talents of millions of Americans, simply because of those Americans' religion or sexual orientation is stupid and will produce less success in athletics.

None of LU's controversial policies are justified by any rational interpretation of Christianity (really - where in the Bible does it justify not employing persons outside your faith?). Nor will LU changing a few policies and reining in a Law School Dean that embarrasses the University just about every week on a network radio program make LU less of a Christian institution. Rather, it would make it MORE of one IMHO.

Liberty would be "a better than most" choice if they were willing to change a few policies (and would make them real peers of institutions they apparently aspire to be peers of, such as SMU and Notre Dame)

And guys, Liberty's behavior is going to look even worse next year. And even worse the year after that. If you want to argue that a school that rejects the talents of just about everyone is likely to be successful, then go right ahead. But its not what most people think. And that type of overt discrimination will be less and less acceptable as time progresses. And with LU's reluctance to cooperate with anyone, this might present an even greater issue moving forward.

But I guess we do have a way to force LU out of the Belt if they somehow get a bid. Just have the membership vote in some non-discrimination rules binding on all member institutions.

Without taking the time to look up smu, Tom you do realize that at notre dame you have to agree with, abide by, and advance the Catholic mission. So to say you'd take them and not Liberty wrecks your reasoning (since athletics is not considered)

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Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

According to U.S. News, 22.8% of students are accepted to Liberty. I think they (U.S. News) used to report +90% but that was because Liberty didn't give out the information showing how many students they had turned down. Because of this, among some other things, it really dragged down their ranking and since they reported a more accurate number then their ranking increased.

I've heard it mentioned here several times that many of the schools in the Sun Belt have the mission to offer affordable and quality education to in-state students. Liberty is similar in the way that they want to offer quality education to as many individuals as they can because they believe that everyone deserves the chance at a Christian education. Dr. Falwell Sr. used to say, "If it's Christian, it should be better."

I think chiefsfan (and I'm sorry if it was someone else or I'm misquoting) said it best, "Liberty is a private school acting like a public while JMU is a public school acting like a private."

Twasnt I. I am pretty sure an ASU fan said it though.
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:14 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 07:07 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 06:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The concerns of those of us opposed to Liberty's inclusion in the Sun Belt are based upon facts. Feel free to produce an openly Gay LU employee (not some contractor hired for a week), a practicing Jewish employee of the school, and the full Liberty Way student handbook that so that everyone can see the policies proscribing discipline for Gay students in federally recognized marriages. I think even the LU folks wont dare defend Mat Staver (then why does JFJ?) We feel that LU's 'strategy' of rejecting the talents of millions of Americans, simply because of those Americans' religion or sexual orientation is stupid and will produce less success in athletics.

None of LU's controversial policies are justified by any rational interpretation of Christianity (really - where in the Bible does it justify not employing persons outside your faith?). Nor will LU changing a few policies and reining in a Law School Dean that embarrasses the University just about every week on a network radio program make LU less of a Christian institution. Rather, it would make it MORE of one IMHO.

Liberty would be "a better than most" choice if they were willing to change a few policies (and would make them real peers of institutions they apparently aspire to be peers of, such as SMU and Notre Dame)

And guys, Liberty's behavior is going to look even worse next year. And even worse the year after that. If you want to argue that a school that rejects the talents of just about everyone is likely to be successful, then go right ahead. But its not what most people think. And that type of overt discrimination will be less and less acceptable as time progresses. And with LU's reluctance to cooperate with anyone, this might present an even greater issue moving forward.

But I guess we do have a way to force LU out of the Belt if they somehow get a bid. Just have the membership vote in some non-discrimination rules binding on all member institutions.

Without taking the time to look up smu, Tom you do realize that at notre dame you have to agree with, abide by, and advance the Catholic mission. So to say you'd take them and not Liberty wrecks your reasoning (since athletics is not considered)

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Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

According to U.S. News, 22.8% of students are accepted to Liberty. I think they (U.S. News) used to report +90% but that was because Liberty didn't give out the information showing how many students they had turned down. Because of this, among some other things, it really dragged down their ranking and since they reported a more accurate number then their ranking increased.

I've heard it mentioned here several times that many of the schools in the Sun Belt have the mission to offer affordable and quality education to in-state students. Liberty is similar in the way that they want to offer quality education to as many individuals as they can because they believe that everyone deserves the chance at a Christian education. Dr. Falwell Sr. used to say, "If it's Christian, it should be better."

I think chiefsfan (and I'm sorry if it was someone else or I'm misquoting) said it best, "Liberty is a private school acting like a public while JMU is a public school acting like a private."

Twasnt I. I am pretty sure an ASU fan said it though.

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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

No worries. Good questions. I know one poster already addressed your questions however I will reiterate since you asked me. Liberty has a 22% acceptance rate and is listed as Selective by the US News and World Report See link http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Speaking in terms of online undergrad programs only there is a minimum GPA of 1.5 that is required and the online advising board or whatever it is called then judges whether or not someone with that low of GPA will be accepted. Most of the time online they do accept them. Graduate programs are different for example in order to get into the MBA Graduate online program a 3.0 undergrad is required. The online portion of Liberty is Tier 6 accredited which is the highest possible accreditation through SACCS, again same program that accredits Duke, Maryland, etc.

As far as SAT/ACT comparisons see this link http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/
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(04-08-2014 05:04 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  It seems the presidents sent an unofficial invite to a school not named Liberty today. Last night I was sure Liberty was a lock. The Belt is either adding two teams or Liberty is still a no go. This is getting crazy.

The other school not named Liberty was NMSU all sports?
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(04-08-2014 10:39 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 05:04 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  It seems the presidents sent an unofficial invite to a school not named Liberty today. Last night I was sure Liberty was a lock. The Belt is either adding two teams or Liberty is still a no go. This is getting crazy.

The other school not named Liberty was NMSU all sports?

That makes a lot of sense.

Just thinking, What if it is JMU, Liberty and MoState?
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I think that if there was an unofficial invite issued last night to a team not named Liberty, then here are the possible invitees:

1) A former SBC team looking to return: Doubtful
2) UMass/football only - Possible but unlikely.
3) JMU - Perhaps. JMU has a BOT meeting on Friday. Perhaps its the Belt's way of saying 'speak now or take your chances with the MAC'.
4) NMSU - all sports. Why bother with the unofficial invite. One would think that an unofficial invite would be redundant there. Its not like the WAC is going to penalize NMSU for leaving. I'd think that if its NMSU, it'd be an official invite and a press conference scheduled.

It would seem to me that the most likely recipient of an 'unofficial invite' would be a team that can't be expected to move on it immediately. Which seems to point at Missouri State.
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(04-08-2014 05:16 PM)LUalumfromnc Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 05:11 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Sun belt forum got eerily quiet all of a sudden


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Not yet. It is not over until there is confirmation who the 12th member is. I hope Liberty is that member and I do not know why all this hate is happening towards my alma mater. If Liberty is the new member this is going to be a great new rivalry between Appy State and LU!!!!

UMASS for football Liberty for Olympic sports with a promise for future football inclusion.
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(04-08-2014 09:52 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

No worries. Good questions. I know one poster already addressed your questions however I will reiterate since you asked me. Liberty has a 22% acceptance rate and is listed as Selective by the US News and World Report See link http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Speaking in terms of online undergrad programs only there is a minimum GPA of 1.5 that is required and the online advising board or whatever it is called then judges whether or not someone with that low of GPA will be accepted. Most of the time online they do accept them. Graduate programs are different for example in order to get into the MBA Graduate online program a 3.0 undergrad is required. The online portion of Liberty is Tier 6 accredited which is the highest possible accreditation through SACCS, again same program that accredits Duke, Maryland, etc.

As far as SAT/ACT comparisons see this link http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/
Doesn't make sense. Liberty goes from a 90% acceptance rate to 22%? Helps their accreditation. Sounds like it is whatever helps.
They don't need to be playing with the figures if they are.
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(04-08-2014 09:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:14 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 07:07 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  Without taking the time to look up smu, Tom you do realize that at notre dame you have to agree with, abide by, and advance the Catholic mission. So to say you'd take them and not Liberty wrecks your reasoning (since athletics is not considered)

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Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

According to U.S. News, 22.8% of students are accepted to Liberty. I think they (U.S. News) used to report +90% but that was because Liberty didn't give out the information showing how many students they had turned down. Because of this, among some other things, it really dragged down their ranking and since they reported a more accurate number then their ranking increased.

I've heard it mentioned here several times that many of the schools in the Sun Belt have the mission to offer affordable and quality education to in-state students. Liberty is similar in the way that they want to offer quality education to as many individuals as they can because they believe that everyone deserves the chance at a Christian education. Dr. Falwell Sr. used to say, "If it's Christian, it should be better."

I think chiefsfan (and I'm sorry if it was someone else or I'm misquoting) said it best, "Liberty is a private school acting like a public while JMU is a public school acting like a private."

Twasnt I. I am pretty sure an ASU fan said it though.

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(04-09-2014 04:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Doesn't make sense. Liberty goes from a 90% acceptance rate to 22%? Helps their accreditation. Sounds like it is whatever helps.
They don't need to be playing with the figures if they are.

This is my problem with private schools that have limited state oversight and reporting requirements and aren't subject to FOIA.
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:52 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

No worries. Good questions. I know one poster already addressed your questions however I will reiterate since you asked me. Liberty has a 22% acceptance rate and is listed as Selective by the US News and World Report See link http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Speaking in terms of online undergrad programs only there is a minimum GPA of 1.5 that is required and the online advising board or whatever it is called then judges whether or not someone with that low of GPA will be accepted. Most of the time online they do accept them. Graduate programs are different for example in order to get into the MBA Graduate online program a 3.0 undergrad is required. The online portion of Liberty is Tier 6 accredited which is the highest possible accreditation through SACCS, again same program that accredits Duke, Maryland, etc.

As far as SAT/ACT comparisons see this link http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/


I'm not well-versed in comparative statistics of online programs, but a 1.5 GPA seems absurdly low for any sort of higher education. Is that typical for most distance learning programs? I didn't think you could earn a high school diploma with a D average.
I'm sure the curriculum offered meets SACS standards but the very high volume of acceptance that a 1.5 GPA minimum must result in certainly makes it look like a for-profit enterprise.
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-09-2014 08:28 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:52 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

No worries. Good questions. I know one poster already addressed your questions however I will reiterate since you asked me. Liberty has a 22% acceptance rate and is listed as Selective by the US News and World Report See link http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Speaking in terms of online undergrad programs only there is a minimum GPA of 1.5 that is required and the online advising board or whatever it is called then judges whether or not someone with that low of GPA will be accepted. Most of the time online they do accept them. Graduate programs are different for example in order to get into the MBA Graduate online program a 3.0 undergrad is required. The online portion of Liberty is Tier 6 accredited which is the highest possible accreditation through SACCS, again same program that accredits Duke, Maryland, etc.

As far as SAT/ACT comparisons see this link http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/


I'm not well-versed in comparative statistics of online programs, but a 1.5 GPA seems absurdly low for any sort of higher education. Is that typical for most distance learning programs? I didn't think you could earn a high school diploma with a D average.
I'm sure the curriculum offered meets SACS standards but the very high volume of acceptance that a 1.5 GPA minimum must result in certainly makes it look like a for-profit enterprise.

Not sure why this is a question. LU has the admission requirements on its page.

"Students must have above a 2.0 cumulative combined GPA for all accredited colleges attended or for high school. If you do not meet this GPA standard please speak with an Admissions Specialist about your situation."

http://www.liberty.edu/online/online-edu...uirements/
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-09-2014 08:55 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 08:28 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:52 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

No worries. Good questions. I know one poster already addressed your questions however I will reiterate since you asked me. Liberty has a 22% acceptance rate and is listed as Selective by the US News and World Report See link http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Speaking in terms of online undergrad programs only there is a minimum GPA of 1.5 that is required and the online advising board or whatever it is called then judges whether or not someone with that low of GPA will be accepted. Most of the time online they do accept them. Graduate programs are different for example in order to get into the MBA Graduate online program a 3.0 undergrad is required. The online portion of Liberty is Tier 6 accredited which is the highest possible accreditation through SACCS, again same program that accredits Duke, Maryland, etc.

As far as SAT/ACT comparisons see this link http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/


I'm not well-versed in comparative statistics of online programs, but a 1.5 GPA seems absurdly low for any sort of higher education. Is that typical for most distance learning programs? I didn't think you could earn a high school diploma with a D average.
I'm sure the curriculum offered meets SACS standards but the very high volume of acceptance that a 1.5 GPA minimum must result in certainly makes it look like a for-profit enterprise.

Not sure why this is a question. LU has the admission requirements on its page.

"Students must have above a 2.0 cumulative combined GPA for all accredited colleges attended or for high school. If you do not meet this GPA standard please speak with an Admissions Specialist about your situation."

http://www.liberty.edu/online/online-edu...uirements/

Good find. I thought 1.5 sounded way low but I listened to my wife... Never again lol
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-09-2014 09:02 AM)Liberty22 Wrote:  Good find. I thought 1.5 sounded way low but I listened to my wife... Never again lol

If you wanna stayed married, at least continue to appear as though you listen to her. 03-lmfao
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(04-09-2014 09:05 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 09:02 AM)Liberty22 Wrote:  Good find. I thought 1.5 sounded way low but I listened to my wife... Never again lol

If you wanna stayed married, at least continue to appear as though you listen to her. 03-lmfao

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