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RE: Scheduling with Liberty in Sun Belt
If you think I'm going to start fresh with GSU fans, you're crazy. Our hate crosses decades that won't be forgotten.

I do hope they move our game back in the schedule after this year, too good of a conference rivalry to be played in September.
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(04-09-2014 10:26 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Does LU have any issues with playing games on Sundays like BYU?

We play on Sundays. Just look at our Baseball schedule.

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm?...3&TeamID=1
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(04-09-2014 10:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If you think I'm going to start fresh with GSU fans, you're crazy. Our hate crosses decades that won't be forgotten.

I do hope they move our game back in the schedule after this year, too good of a conference rivalry to be played in September.

USA and the rest of the conference thinks GS and App are just another WKU that is going to struggle to win games right off the bat. That's fine, let them believe that. Florida thought we were "just another cupcake." I prefer it when we're underestimated.
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(04-09-2014 09:58 AM)Klak Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 10:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 10:06 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I think South Alabama will find some of the newbies in the eastern division plenty challenging.

Eventually we will.

I understand that USA never played an FCS schedule, so you don't respect any FCS teams, but you're going to be surprised when this season rolls around.

When USA did play FCS teams, they've played the absolute scum of the division.

2010 - 3-0 against sub-DI, 4-0 against FCS
Nicholls State (3-7 against DI competition) - won by 18
@ Lamar (2-6 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 26
@ UC Davis (6-5 against DI) - won by 3
Georgia State (5-4 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 5

2011 - 2-0 against sub-DI, 4-2 against FCS, 0-2 against FBS
Lamar (3-7 against DI) - won by 22
@ UTSA (1-5 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 3 in OT
UT-Martin (4-6 against DI) - won by 3
@ Georgia State (1-6 against DI, 2nd year startup) - lost by 7 in OT
Mississippi Valley State (1-10 against DI, historically awful SWAC team) - won by 32
Cal Poly (5-5 against DI) - lost by 31

2012 - 1-0 against FCS, 1-11 against FBS
Nicholls State (0-10 against DI) - won by 6

2013 - 0-1 against FCS, 5-6 against FBS
Southern Utah (7-5 against DI, actually made playoffs!) - lost by 1


So USA has a 9-3 (0.750) record against FCS teams with a combined 38-76 record (0.333) against DI competition. The 9 wins are against FCS teams with a combined 25-60 record (0.294) against DI competition. USA is 0-1 (0.000) all-time against FCS playoff teams, and has a 6-19 (0.240) record against FBS teams.

Since 2010, Georgia Southern has a 36-13 (0.735) record against FCS teams with a combined 288-268 record (0.518) against DI competition. The 36 wins are against FCS teams with a combined 187-225 record (0.454) against DI competition. Since 2010, GS is 10-8 (0.556) against FCS playoff teams, and has a 1-3 (0.250) record against FBS teams.

I'm not going to go through App's numbers. They've slipped a little since their 05-07 run, but they're still going to be up there.

You'll forgive us if we're not bowing at the feet of a new startup with a mediocre record padding with wins against sub-DI teams, fellow startups, and garbage FCS teams.

Uh we finished 6-5 versus FBS competition last year.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to retain rivalries (that extend beyond football) and play the best competition possible. I think playing in a division with five new teams isn't going to help our team grow.
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(04-09-2014 10:34 AM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 10:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If you think I'm going to start fresh with GSU fans, you're crazy. Our hate crosses decades that won't be forgotten.

I do hope they move our game back in the schedule after this year, too good of a conference rivalry to be played in September.

USA and the rest of the conference thinks GS and App are just another WKU that is going to struggle to win games right off the bat. That's fine, let them believe that. Florida thought we were "just another cupcake." I prefer it when we're underestimated.

Or another USA which struggled in its first FBS year (we nearly went winless). Or another Georgia State (not really - they're a special case of a team that moved up before they were ready). Or another FIU. Or another FAU.

I expect both of you guys to be competitive eventually. But I don't see you competing right off the bat.

If I'm wrong, great for you and even better for the Sun Belt.

But it might take 3 or 4 years for you guys to overcome the smaller depth issues.

And we have no history with either of you. We don't recruit North Carolina or Eastern Georgia. Much less Virginia.
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By Tom's logic GS should demand to be in the West because who would want to be with football newbies like USA and GaSt.
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(04-09-2014 10:41 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  By Tom's logic GS should demand to be in the West because who would want to be with football newbies like USA and GaSt.

You are welcome to ask for that. Look I don't hate you guys. I'd just rather play the best competition and retain the rivals we have. Maybe in 5 years or so, y'all will be winning conference championships. I want USA to play ULL and Ark State every year. I want us playing Texas State every year (selfish reason on that - I live in Texas). We've been playing ULM in other sports for 20 years.

What the division move will do is not just cut off one traditional rival, but all of them except Troy. Its a lot to ask of us.

I expect y'all to be good adds for the Belt. I supported both of y'all's bids. I just think that cutting USA off from the teams our fan base is familiar with sucks.
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(04-09-2014 10:37 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 09:58 AM)Klak Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 10:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 10:06 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I think South Alabama will find some of the newbies in the eastern division plenty challenging.

Eventually we will.

I understand that USA never played an FCS schedule, so you don't respect any FCS teams, but you're going to be surprised when this season rolls around.

When USA did play FCS teams, they've played the absolute scum of the division.

2010 - 3-0 against sub-DI, 4-0 against FCS
Nicholls State (3-7 against DI competition) - won by 18
@ Lamar (2-6 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 26
@ UC Davis (6-5 against DI) - won by 3
Georgia State (5-4 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 5

2011 - 2-0 against sub-DI, 4-2 against FCS, 0-2 against FBS
Lamar (3-7 against DI) - won by 22
@ UTSA (1-5 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 3 in OT
UT-Martin (4-6 against DI) - won by 3
@ Georgia State (1-6 against DI, 2nd year startup) - lost by 7 in OT
Mississippi Valley State (1-10 against DI, historically awful SWAC team) - won by 32
Cal Poly (5-5 against DI) - lost by 31

2012 - 1-0 against FCS, 1-11 against FBS
Nicholls State (0-10 against DI) - won by 6

2013 - 0-1 against FCS, 5-6 against FBS
Southern Utah (7-5 against DI, actually made playoffs!) - lost by 1


So USA has a 9-3 (0.750) record against FCS teams with a combined 38-76 record (0.333) against DI competition. The 9 wins are against FCS teams with a combined 25-60 record (0.294) against DI competition. USA is 0-1 (0.000) all-time against FCS playoff teams, and has a 6-19 (0.240) record against FBS teams.

Since 2010, Georgia Southern has a 36-13 (0.735) record against FCS teams with a combined 288-268 record (0.518) against DI competition. The 36 wins are against FCS teams with a combined 187-225 record (0.454) against DI competition. Since 2010, GS is 10-8 (0.556) against FCS playoff teams, and has a 1-3 (0.250) record against FBS teams.

I'm not going to go through App's numbers. They've slipped a little since their 05-07 run, but they're still going to be up there.

You'll forgive us if we're not bowing at the feet of a new startup with a mediocre record padding with wins against sub-DI teams, fellow startups, and garbage FCS teams.

Uh we finished 6-5 versus FBS competition last year.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to retain rivalries (that extend beyond football) and play the best competition possible. I think playing in a division with five new teams isn't going to help our team grow.

You're right, you were 6-5 last year. My bad.

Retaining rivalries is all good. No problems there. Good luck in your quest.

But if you think App and GS are "new teams" on par with Georgia State or UTSA or Lamar or USA or any other new startup, you're sadly mistaken.
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(04-09-2014 10:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 10:34 AM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 10:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If you think I'm going to start fresh with GSU fans, you're crazy. Our hate crosses decades that won't be forgotten.

I do hope they move our game back in the schedule after this year, too good of a conference rivalry to be played in September.

USA and the rest of the conference thinks GS and App are just another WKU that is going to struggle to win games right off the bat. That's fine, let them believe that. Florida thought we were "just another cupcake." I prefer it when we're underestimated.

Or another USA which struggled in its first FBS year (we nearly went winless). Or another Georgia State (not really - they're a special case of a team that moved up before they were ready). Or another FIU. Or another FAU.

I expect both of you guys to be competitive eventually. But I don't see you competing right off the bat.

If I'm wrong, great for you and even better for the Sun Belt.

But it might take 3 or 4 years for you guys to overcome the smaller depth issues.

And we have no history with either of you. We don't recruit North Carolina or Eastern Georgia. Much less Virginia.

Phil Steele ranked our schedule the easiest in FBS. I say we're 6-6 at worst. We have Savannah St., Georgia St., Idaho, and NMSU on our schedule. No ASU or Louisiana. Troy, ULM, and App St at home. 7 games in the state of Georgia. I think we will be alright.
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(04-09-2014 10:52 AM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 10:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 10:34 AM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 10:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If you think I'm going to start fresh with GSU fans, you're crazy. Our hate crosses decades that won't be forgotten.

I do hope they move our game back in the schedule after this year, too good of a conference rivalry to be played in September.

USA and the rest of the conference thinks GS and App are just another WKU that is going to struggle to win games right off the bat. That's fine, let them believe that. Florida thought we were "just another cupcake." I prefer it when we're underestimated.

Or another USA which struggled in its first FBS year (we nearly went winless). Or another Georgia State (not really - they're a special case of a team that moved up before they were ready). Or another FIU. Or another FAU.

I expect both of you guys to be competitive eventually. But I don't see you competing right off the bat.

If I'm wrong, great for you and even better for the Sun Belt.

But it might take 3 or 4 years for you guys to overcome the smaller depth issues.

And we have no history with either of you. We don't recruit North Carolina or Eastern Georgia. Much less Virginia.

Phil Steele ranked our schedule the easiest in FBS. I say we're 6-6 at worst. We have Savannah St., Georgia St., Idaho, and NMSU on our schedule. No ASU or Louisiana. Troy, ULM, and App St at home. 7 games in the state of Georgia. I think we will be alright.

You might be taking less pain this year but not growing as much as you should due to your weaker schedule. You guys could do well. I just think depth is gonna be a problem for you guys.

If you can get wins next year great. But for your first transitional year the goal is to get better. I'm not sure playing a weaker schedule is really what you want.

You will be alright. Otherwise we wouldn't have bid you guys in. 6-6 is a reach goal for you guys. And plausible (win at home vs Idaho, Savannah State, and App where you should be favorites - then beat NMSU and Ga State on the road - then upset someone). Its a reach to say that a team that has 1 lifetime win against FBS competition is going to win 3 games against established FBS teams, 4 against teams with more depth and experience at this level, and avoid an upset vs App.
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(04-09-2014 10:46 AM)Klak Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 10:37 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 09:58 AM)Klak Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 10:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 10:06 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I think South Alabama will find some of the newbies in the eastern division plenty challenging.

Eventually we will.

I understand that USA never played an FCS schedule, so you don't respect any FCS teams, but you're going to be surprised when this season rolls around.

When USA did play FCS teams, they've played the absolute scum of the division.

2010 - 3-0 against sub-DI, 4-0 against FCS
Nicholls State (3-7 against DI competition) - won by 18
@ Lamar (2-6 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 26
@ UC Davis (6-5 against DI) - won by 3
Georgia State (5-4 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 5

2011 - 2-0 against sub-DI, 4-2 against FCS, 0-2 against FBS
Lamar (3-7 against DI) - won by 22
@ UTSA (1-5 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 3 in OT
UT-Martin (4-6 against DI) - won by 3
@ Georgia State (1-6 against DI, 2nd year startup) - lost by 7 in OT
Mississippi Valley State (1-10 against DI, historically awful SWAC team) - won by 32
Cal Poly (5-5 against DI) - lost by 31

2012 - 1-0 against FCS, 1-11 against FBS
Nicholls State (0-10 against DI) - won by 6

2013 - 0-1 against FCS, 5-6 against FBS
Southern Utah (7-5 against DI, actually made playoffs!) - lost by 1


So USA has a 9-3 (0.750) record against FCS teams with a combined 38-76 record (0.333) against DI competition. The 9 wins are against FCS teams with a combined 25-60 record (0.294) against DI competition. USA is 0-1 (0.000) all-time against FCS playoff teams, and has a 6-19 (0.240) record against FBS teams.

Since 2010, Georgia Southern has a 36-13 (0.735) record against FCS teams with a combined 288-268 record (0.518) against DI competition. The 36 wins are against FCS teams with a combined 187-225 record (0.454) against DI competition. Since 2010, GS is 10-8 (0.556) against FCS playoff teams, and has a 1-3 (0.250) record against FBS teams.

I'm not going to go through App's numbers. They've slipped a little since their 05-07 run, but they're still going to be up there.

You'll forgive us if we're not bowing at the feet of a new startup with a mediocre record padding with wins against sub-DI teams, fellow startups, and garbage FCS teams.

Uh we finished 6-5 versus FBS competition last year.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to retain rivalries (that extend beyond football) and play the best competition possible. I think playing in a division with five new teams isn't going to help our team grow.

You're right, you were 6-5 last year. My bad.

Retaining rivalries is all good. No problems there. Good luck in your quest.

But if you think App and GS are "new teams" on par with Georgia State or UTSA or Lamar or USA or any other new startup, you're sadly mistaken.

No your situation isn't similar to Georgia State, UTSA or USA. It is similar to WKU's. Do I think y'all will pull a WKU? No. But it ain't that easy.
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(04-09-2014 11:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 10:46 AM)Klak Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 10:37 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 09:58 AM)Klak Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 10:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Eventually we will.

I understand that USA never played an FCS schedule, so you don't respect any FCS teams, but you're going to be surprised when this season rolls around.

When USA did play FCS teams, they've played the absolute scum of the division.

2010 - 3-0 against sub-DI, 4-0 against FCS
Nicholls State (3-7 against DI competition) - won by 18
@ Lamar (2-6 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 26
@ UC Davis (6-5 against DI) - won by 3
Georgia State (5-4 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 5

2011 - 2-0 against sub-DI, 4-2 against FCS, 0-2 against FBS
Lamar (3-7 against DI) - won by 22
@ UTSA (1-5 against DI, 1st year startup) - won by 3 in OT
UT-Martin (4-6 against DI) - won by 3
@ Georgia State (1-6 against DI, 2nd year startup) - lost by 7 in OT
Mississippi Valley State (1-10 against DI, historically awful SWAC team) - won by 32
Cal Poly (5-5 against DI) - lost by 31

2012 - 1-0 against FCS, 1-11 against FBS
Nicholls State (0-10 against DI) - won by 6

2013 - 0-1 against FCS, 5-6 against FBS
Southern Utah (7-5 against DI, actually made playoffs!) - lost by 1


So USA has a 9-3 (0.750) record against FCS teams with a combined 38-76 record (0.333) against DI competition. The 9 wins are against FCS teams with a combined 25-60 record (0.294) against DI competition. USA is 0-1 (0.000) all-time against FCS playoff teams, and has a 6-19 (0.240) record against FBS teams.

Since 2010, Georgia Southern has a 36-13 (0.735) record against FCS teams with a combined 288-268 record (0.518) against DI competition. The 36 wins are against FCS teams with a combined 187-225 record (0.454) against DI competition. Since 2010, GS is 10-8 (0.556) against FCS playoff teams, and has a 1-3 (0.250) record against FBS teams.

I'm not going to go through App's numbers. They've slipped a little since their 05-07 run, but they're still going to be up there.

You'll forgive us if we're not bowing at the feet of a new startup with a mediocre record padding with wins against sub-DI teams, fellow startups, and garbage FCS teams.

Uh we finished 6-5 versus FBS competition last year.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to retain rivalries (that extend beyond football) and play the best competition possible. I think playing in a division with five new teams isn't going to help our team grow.

You're right, you were 6-5 last year. My bad.

Retaining rivalries is all good. No problems there. Good luck in your quest.

But if you think App and GS are "new teams" on par with Georgia State or UTSA or Lamar or USA or any other new startup, you're sadly mistaken.

No your situation isn't similar to Georgia State, UTSA or USA. It is similar to WKU's. Do I think y'all will pull a WKU? No. But it ain't that easy.

It took a few pages, but finally we get the WKU comparison. It's one of my favorites.

WKU won the National Championship in 2002. They went 12-3 with a semifinal win over Georgia Southern in Statesboro.

In 2003 they went 9-4 with 2 wins over sub-DI schools and a quarterfinal exit from the playoffs.

In 2004 they went 9-3 with 1 sub-DI win and a first round playoff exit.

In 2005 they went 6-5 with 1 sub-DI win and no playoffs.

In 2006 they went 6-5 against all DI competition but still no playoffs.

In 2007 they went 7-5, but had TWO sub-DI wins and no playoffs.

In 2008 they started their transition and went 2-10.

In 2009 they went 0-12 and lost to transitional D-2 Central Arkansas. It was their 3rd game of the season, so I don't think they were worn down by the rigors of a full FBS season.

In 2010 they got a new coach, went 2-10 and then started turning things around.


Georgia Southern's transition and WKU's transition are not analogous.
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(04-08-2014 02:41 PM)Klak Wrote:  
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(04-08-2014 01:16 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Moot point. Liberty will not be in the Sun Belt

Golden rule of the Sun Belt Board.

If BirdofParadise or Arkstfan says something. Its something you listen too.

Seriously, do they have a good track record of being in the know
or was that sarcasm

They have important jobs. Arkstfan runs ASU's scout site and makes regular contact with our athletic department. Cajun fans can vouch for Bird

I always listen to arkstfan.

On the other hand, BirdofParadise was hardcore anti-GS/App last year and said we'd never get in because we were "too hard to get to".

I said that before more schools announced they were leaving. They're still very hard to get to.

As far as my source is concerned, I don't give up my sources. Let's just say I've talked to some folks. I guarantee my sources are more credible than that article that everyone seems to take for gospel.
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(04-09-2014 01:27 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:41 PM)Klak Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 01:44 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 01:41 PM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 01:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Golden rule of the Sun Belt Board.

If BirdofParadise or Arkstfan says something. Its something you listen too.

Seriously, do they have a good track record of being in the know
or was that sarcasm

They have important jobs. Arkstfan runs ASU's scout site and makes regular contact with our athletic department. Cajun fans can vouch for Bird

I always listen to arkstfan.

On the other hand, BirdofParadise was hardcore anti-GS/App last year and said we'd never get in because we were "too hard to get to".

I said that before more schools announced they were leaving. They're still very hard to get to.

As far as my source is concerned, I don't give up my sources. Let's just say I've talked to some folks. I guarantee my sources are more credible than that article that everyone seems to take for gospel.

You hearing a lot of what has been reported today by a few here? Two school maybe one football only? LU being neither one?
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(04-08-2014 01:16 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Moot point. Liberty will not be in the Sun Belt

Oh, I sure hope you're right.
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