(06-17-2014 02:16 PM)lakesbison Wrote: NDSU has a 20 million budget, oil money flooding the state and town, Fargo is growing to about 200,000 in its metro.
NDSU will have a new $44 million basketball arena
NDSU has 1 of the best baseball stadiums
NDSU football sells out every game at 20,000 in Fargodome (hope to expand to 35,000 for FBS)
NDSU can be FBS, we already compete at that level (7-3 vs FBS with 2 losses at 1 point with 63 vs 85 schollys)
One problem you forgot to mention - NDSU is in North Frickin' Dakota.
(06-17-2014 02:16 PM)lakesbison Wrote: NDSU has a 20 million budget, oil money flooding the state and town, Fargo is growing to about 200,000 in its metro.
NDSU will have a new $44 million basketball arena
NDSU has 1 of the best baseball stadiums
NDSU football sells out every game at 20,000 in Fargodome (hope to expand to 35,000 for FBS)
NDSU can be FBS, we already compete at that level (7-3 vs FBS with 2 losses at 1 point with 63 vs 85 schollys)
One problem you forgot to mention - NDSU is in North Frickin' Dakota.
(04-07-2014 12:24 PM)panama Wrote: WAC plus Big Sky
There ia a simpler answer - PAC adds 2 from MWC (they need a presence in Utah and Idaho), then MWC adds Idaho and NMSU.
Done.
The PAC-12 already has a team in Utah. If they wanted Boise St, they would already have them. I believe the history of BSU's lacking academics will keep them out of the PAC-12.
(This post was last modified: 06-17-2014 02:51 PM by TardisCaptain.)
(06-16-2014 08:29 PM)lakesbison Wrote: NDSU is ready for FBS, in fact they are losing their top coaches and AD because they are stuck in the fcs.
und is ready for d2, they cant even get 5000 fans for football or 2000 fans for basketball.
NDSU, Idaho, Montana, UNI would be a great 4 travel partner group to join the Mountain West (or sun belt!)
I'm sure the MW is salivating at the prospect of adding those guys.
nmsu will have a spot in the west division of the sbc when all the dust settles and Idaho will end up in the mwc. they are a state flagship school and they will do whatever is needed to stay fbs. I see the possibility of mwc adding utep and Idaho at some point. I just dont see how utepers can be happy with the c-usa. they are mostly a western mountain school and even in another time zone. stAte and u-laf will then be in c-usa
Athletic budgets in the Mtn West run from the low side of $30 million (Wyoming) to a high around $60 million (UNLV). Idaho's is around $18 million. That's a big gap to make up for a school with less than 10K students and the inability to sell more than 16K tickets to a home football game. They tried using Wash State's stadium and that didn't work out too well. The budget of that not a "state flagship school" in Boise is more than double Idaho's. On the other hand UTEP's budget is already in line with some of the MW schools, albeit on the low side at around $30 million. They also have an enrollment of over 20K and a stadium that seats $50k and host a well known bowl game each year. I think the more realistic future for Idaho is back in the Big Sky with other "state flagship" schools Montana and North Dakota.
Minor correction: Idaho has more than 10K students. Also, when we used Wazzu's stadium attendance was upwards of 25K.
US News & World Reports shows 2013-14 enrollment of 9,928 undergrads. The university website shows enrollment right at 12,500 and I'm betting that includes grad students. Researching Idaho's athletic website archives for games played in Pullman (not counting 3 with Washington State for obvious reasons) the official stats show Idaho only had one crowd above 25K. That was in 1999 when 25,867 showed up for a game with Boise. The only other games over 20K were 23,920 for a 1999 game with Utah State and a 2001 game vs Boise State with 20,359 in attendance. The other 5 games drew an average of 16,154.
(06-16-2014 10:16 PM)AppManDG Wrote: I'm sure the MW is salivating at the prospect of adding those guys.
nmsu will have a spot in the west division of the sbc when all the dust settles and Idaho will end up in the mwc. they are a state flagship school and they will do whatever is needed to stay fbs. I see the possibility of mwc adding utep and Idaho at some point. I just dont see how utepers can be happy with the c-usa. they are mostly a western mountain school and even in another time zone. stAte and u-laf will then be in c-usa
Athletic budgets in the Mtn West run from the low side of $30 million (Wyoming) to a high around $60 million (UNLV). Idaho's is around $18 million. That's a big gap to make up for a school with less than 10K students and the inability to sell more than 16K tickets to a home football game. They tried using Wash State's stadium and that didn't work out too well. The budget of that not a "state flagship school" in Boise is more than double Idaho's. On the other hand UTEP's budget is already in line with some of the MW schools, albeit on the low side at around $30 million. They also have an enrollment of over 20K and a stadium that seats $50k and host a well known bowl game each year. I think the more realistic future for Idaho is back in the Big Sky with other "state flagship" schools Montana and North Dakota.
Minor correction: Idaho has more than 10K students. Also, when we used Wazzu's stadium attendance was upwards of 25K.
US News & World Reports shows 2013-14 enrollment of 9,928 undergrads. The university website shows enrollment right at 12,500 and I'm betting that includes grad students. Researching Idaho's athletic website archives for games played in Pullman (not counting 3 with Washington State for obvious reasons) the official stats show Idaho only had one crowd above 25K. That was in 1999 when 25,867 showed up for a game with Boise. The only other games over 20K were 23,920 for a 1999 game with Utah State and a 2001 game vs Boise State with 20,359 in attendance. The other 5 games drew an average of 16,154.
So? Wyoming's undergraduate enrollment is nearly the same. For that matter, Idaho's academic profile is pretty much the same as Wyoming's. Idaho has a smaller endowment but spends a lot more on research activity. Both schools spend about the same on instruction and rank exactly the same in the USNews. Hawaii and SDSU are the only schools ranked ahead of Wyoming in the MWC for academics.
All Idaho needs is 10K more seats and a bigger athletic budget.
(This post was last modified: 06-17-2014 03:48 PM by dmacfour.)
(06-17-2014 04:44 PM)GoApps70 Wrote: Notre Dame, Rice, Army, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, TCU, Tulsa, and San Diego State
all are under 10,000.
Idaho is a fine university, national ranking #161 in the 2014 US News & World Report Guide to Best Colleges. But lumping them in with schools who enjoy academic ranking (with the exception of SDSU who is #152) among the top 85 institutions in the nation and long standing athletic traditions on a national scale is a bit of a stretch.
(06-17-2014 05:45 AM)runamuck Wrote: nmsu will have a spot in the west division of the sbc when all the dust settles and Idaho will end up in the mwc. they are a state flagship school and they will do whatever is needed to stay fbs. I see the possibility of mwc adding utep and Idaho at some point. I just dont see how utepers can be happy with the c-usa. they are mostly a western mountain school and even in another time zone. stAte and u-laf will then be in c-usa
Athletic budgets in the Mtn West run from the low side of $30 million (Wyoming) to a high around $60 million (UNLV). Idaho's is around $18 million. That's a big gap to make up for a school with less than 10K students and the inability to sell more than 16K tickets to a home football game. They tried using Wash State's stadium and that didn't work out too well. The budget of that not a "state flagship school" in Boise is more than double Idaho's. On the other hand UTEP's budget is already in line with some of the MW schools, albeit on the low side at around $30 million. They also have an enrollment of over 20K and a stadium that seats $50k and host a well known bowl game each year. I think the more realistic future for Idaho is back in the Big Sky with other "state flagship" schools Montana and North Dakota.
Minor correction: Idaho has more than 10K students. Also, when we used Wazzu's stadium attendance was upwards of 25K.
US News & World Reports shows 2013-14 enrollment of 9,928 undergrads. The university website shows enrollment right at 12,500 and I'm betting that includes grad students. Researching Idaho's athletic website archives for games played in Pullman (not counting 3 with Washington State for obvious reasons) the official stats show Idaho only had one crowd above 25K. That was in 1999 when 25,867 showed up for a game with Boise. The only other games over 20K were 23,920 for a 1999 game with Utah State and a 2001 game vs Boise State with 20,359 in attendance. The other 5 games drew an average of 16,154.
So? Wyoming's undergraduate enrollment is nearly the same. For that matter, Idaho's academic profile is pretty much the same as Wyoming's. Idaho has a smaller endowment but spends a lot more on research activity. Both schools spend about the same on instruction and rank exactly the same in the USNews. Hawaii and SDSU are the only schools ranked ahead of Wyoming in the MWC for academics.
All Idaho needs is 10K more seats and a bigger athletic budget.
10K seats means an entirely new stadium in the range of $75-80 million. Then there's that little issue about a larger budget. Donations, student fee's or dollars from the state legislature. Which will it be?
(06-17-2014 06:18 AM)AppManDG Wrote: Athletic budgets in the Mtn West run from the low side of $30 million (Wyoming) to a high around $60 million (UNLV). Idaho's is around $18 million. That's a big gap to make up for a school with less than 10K students and the inability to sell more than 16K tickets to a home football game. They tried using Wash State's stadium and that didn't work out too well. The budget of that not a "state flagship school" in Boise is more than double Idaho's. On the other hand UTEP's budget is already in line with some of the MW schools, albeit on the low side at around $30 million. They also have an enrollment of over 20K and a stadium that seats $50k and host a well known bowl game each year. I think the more realistic future for Idaho is back in the Big Sky with other "state flagship" schools Montana and North Dakota.
Minor correction: Idaho has more than 10K students. Also, when we used Wazzu's stadium attendance was upwards of 25K.
US News & World Reports shows 2013-14 enrollment of 9,928 undergrads. The university website shows enrollment right at 12,500 and I'm betting that includes grad students. Researching Idaho's athletic website archives for games played in Pullman (not counting 3 with Washington State for obvious reasons) the official stats show Idaho only had one crowd above 25K. That was in 1999 when 25,867 showed up for a game with Boise. The only other games over 20K were 23,920 for a 1999 game with Utah State and a 2001 game vs Boise State with 20,359 in attendance. The other 5 games drew an average of 16,154.
So? Wyoming's undergraduate enrollment is nearly the same. For that matter, Idaho's academic profile is pretty much the same as Wyoming's. Idaho has a smaller endowment but spends a lot more on research activity. Both schools spend about the same on instruction and rank exactly the same in the USNews. Hawaii and SDSU are the only schools ranked ahead of Wyoming in the MWC for academics.
All Idaho needs is 10K more seats and a bigger athletic budget.
10K seats means an entirely new stadium in the range of $75-80 million. Then there's that little issue about a larger budget. Donations, student fee's or dollars from the state legislature. Which will it be?
The Kibbie dome can be maxed out at 27K. The estimate for that project was under 50 million IIRC.
(This post was last modified: 06-17-2014 05:52 PM by dmacfour.)
(06-17-2014 01:14 PM)dmacfour Wrote: Minor correction: Idaho has more than 10K students. Also, when we used Wazzu's stadium attendance was upwards of 25K.
US News & World Reports shows 2013-14 enrollment of 9,928 undergrads. The university website shows enrollment right at 12,500 and I'm betting that includes grad students. Researching Idaho's athletic website archives for games played in Pullman (not counting 3 with Washington State for obvious reasons) the official stats show Idaho only had one crowd above 25K. That was in 1999 when 25,867 showed up for a game with Boise. The only other games over 20K were 23,920 for a 1999 game with Utah State and a 2001 game vs Boise State with 20,359 in attendance. The other 5 games drew an average of 16,154.
So? Wyoming's undergraduate enrollment is nearly the same. For that matter, Idaho's academic profile is pretty much the same as Wyoming's. Idaho has a smaller endowment but spends a lot more on research activity. Both schools spend about the same on instruction and rank exactly the same in the USNews. Hawaii and SDSU are the only schools ranked ahead of Wyoming in the MWC for academics.
All Idaho needs is 10K more seats and a bigger athletic budget.
10K seats means an entirely new stadium in the range of $75-80 million. Then there's that little issue about a larger budget. Donations, student fee's or dollars from the state legislature. Which will it be?
The Kibbie dome can be maxed out at 27K. The estimate for that project was under 50 million IIRC.
How? I realize the video below is about some experimental aircraft, but it gives a very good look at interior space of the Dome. Unless they knock out the ends I just don't see where 11K more seats are going to be located.
(This post was last modified: 06-17-2014 11:02 PM by AppManDG.)
(06-17-2014 03:22 PM)AppManDG Wrote: US News & World Reports shows 2013-14 enrollment of 9,928 undergrads. The university website shows enrollment right at 12,500 and I'm betting that includes grad students. Researching Idaho's athletic website archives for games played in Pullman (not counting 3 with Washington State for obvious reasons) the official stats show Idaho only had one crowd above 25K. That was in 1999 when 25,867 showed up for a game with Boise. The only other games over 20K were 23,920 for a 1999 game with Utah State and a 2001 game vs Boise State with 20,359 in attendance. The other 5 games drew an average of 16,154.
So? Wyoming's undergraduate enrollment is nearly the same. For that matter, Idaho's academic profile is pretty much the same as Wyoming's. Idaho has a smaller endowment but spends a lot more on research activity. Both schools spend about the same on instruction and rank exactly the same in the USNews. Hawaii and SDSU are the only schools ranked ahead of Wyoming in the MWC for academics.
All Idaho needs is 10K more seats and a bigger athletic budget.
10K seats means an entirely new stadium in the range of $75-80 million. Then there's that little issue about a larger budget. Donations, student fee's or dollars from the state legislature. Which will it be?
The Kibbie dome can be maxed out at 27K. The estimate for that project was under 50 million IIRC.
How? Where will an additional 11K seats be located?
Cantilevered balconies, a lowered field, and seating cut out of the endzones.
(06-17-2014 03:42 PM)dmacfour Wrote: So? Wyoming's undergraduate enrollment is nearly the same. For that matter, Idaho's academic profile is pretty much the same as Wyoming's. Idaho has a smaller endowment but spends a lot more on research activity. Both schools spend about the same on instruction and rank exactly the same in the USNews. Hawaii and SDSU are the only schools ranked ahead of Wyoming in the MWC for academics.
All Idaho needs is 10K more seats and a bigger athletic budget.
10K seats means an entirely new stadium in the range of $75-80 million. Then there's that little issue about a larger budget. Donations, student fee's or dollars from the state legislature. Which will it be?
The Kibbie dome can be maxed out at 27K. The estimate for that project was under 50 million IIRC.
How? Where will an additional 11K seats be located?
Cantilevered balconies, a lowered field, and seating cut out of the endzones.
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Is there a link to this plan? Not doubting you, I just like to see those sorts of things.
(06-17-2014 05:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote: 10K seats means an entirely new stadium in the range of $75-80 million. Then there's that little issue about a larger budget. Donations, student fee's or dollars from the state legislature. Which will it be?
The Kibbie dome can be maxed out at 27K. The estimate for that project was under 50 million IIRC.
How? Where will an additional 11K seats be located?
Cantilevered balconies, a lowered field, and seating cut out of the endzones.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Is there a link to this plan? Not doubting you, I just like to see those sorts of things.
(06-17-2014 05:49 PM)dmacfour Wrote: The Kibbie dome can be maxed out at 27K. The estimate for that project was under 50 million IIRC.
How? Where will an additional 11K seats be located?
Cantilevered balconies, a lowered field, and seating cut out of the endzones.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Is there a link to this plan? Not doubting you, I just like to see those sorts of things.
I know that scenario of taking the Kibbie Dome to 27,000 has been discussed before but the university isn't really moving forward with that idea at this time, are they?
(04-07-2014 12:24 PM)panama Wrote: WAC plus Big Sky
There ia a simpler answer - PAC adds 2 from MWC (they need a presence in Utah and Idaho), then MWC adds Idaho and NMSU.
Done.
The PAC-12 already has a team in Utah. If they wanted Boise St, they would already have them. I believe the history of BSU's lacking academics will keep them out of the PAC-12.
You are right....I meant Nevada (was even pondering whether Nevada or UNLV would be a better fit as I typed "Utah"). I'm thinking competitive pressure could get them to 14 as the ACC, B1G and SEC are already there. Plus, BYU is sitting out there with a TV network (though the B12 seems a better fit for them).
for the pac12 to expand its Texas, Baylor, Okie, Okie State.......
their next option which is more feasible for everyone involved would be.
UNM they have the Research dollars and like Utah it would help improve their standing to get more grants being a part of the Pac (legislative hands).
The others would be Hawaii, and UNLV and I'm not really sold on either. Bothe would have to improve their academic standing in research.
a dark horse would be UHou which is just a large school more of an outlier and i don't think they would go there.
When the big 5 get a chance to see the money to be made by this 4 team playoff they are going to want to expand a few years down the road that when pac will make its move.
Then Whoever is moving up to MW or AAC will help if they have consistently good attendance and like schools. Your guess is as good as mine.
edit: In regards to the Idaho expansion all i can say is its on the 6 year capital funds plan behind a arena for basketball which we don't have at all.
Look for Idaho to spend 60 million over the next ten years on athletics :) or drop down to big sky and build a 24 million dollar basketball arena.:(
(This post was last modified: 07-01-2014 08:47 PM by Wood0920.)
Arena plans have changed a couple of times in the past year.
A new president coming in while planning was pretty far along is part of it.
The plan that the SBOE approved called for twenty million for dome expansion. Adding six thousand seats half in small upper decks half end zone. So twenty two thousand seats nineteen thousand sideline seats. A dig down is also possible along with adding seats in the other end zone.
I wish both end zone sections were included for mid twenties. The A.D. at WSU has stated home and home would be desirable if Idaho had mid twenties in capacity.
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