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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 01:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The only reason to add FCS teams is to protect your conference from total implosion, the MAC, if anything, is sturdy. There is no financial incentive to add beyond 12 teams, so unless ESPN tells the MAC that adding the bustling metropolis of Harrisburg, VA would be a total game changer I don't see the MAC extending an invite to JMU, or any FCS team, anytime in the near future.

BTW it is Harrisonburg, VA. And I agree with the MAC not adding anyone at the moment unless it significantly moved the needle.
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 05:44 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 01:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The only reason to add FCS teams is to protect your conference from total implosion, the MAC, if anything, is sturdy. There is no financial incentive to add beyond 12 teams, so unless ESPN tells the MAC that adding the bustling metropolis of Harrisburg, VA would be a total game changer I don't see the MAC extending an invite to JMU, or any FCS team, anytime in the near future.

BTW it is Harrisonburg, VA. And I agree with the MAC not adding anyone at the moment unless it significantly moved the needle.

The reason the MAC asked UMASS for all sports first instead of just kicking them out is because the MAC wants 14. The MAC is going 14, the question is when? The SBC is waiting to see what the MAC does.
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-06-2014 09:33 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:48 PM)harley93davidson Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 11:22 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 11:07 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Independence for JMU isn't possible.
Would be financial ruin for UMass. Not only would they
lose out on the millions being in a conference would bring
them would cause them to either drop football or go back
into FCS.
The Sun Belt likes to help out schools, so a FB only invite to UMass
wouldn't surprise me. Would give Benson another talking point
in his TV negotiations with those NE TV media people also.
Besides giving the SB a 12th football team.

Since the Sunbelt has 2 non-football schools, UMass is the fb-only gift to the Sunbelt to get the CCG and split into divisions. To even out the Olympic spots side, I'm sure there is a non-football school in the east coast (A-Sun conference?)that would like to be part of the Sunbelt.

Unc Greensboro is the only non football school in the socon and pairs nicely with app state

I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

If NMSU adds its oly sports then there could be two football only schools and two that don't play football. No need to add more. Idaho and UMASS & UALR and UTA.
I actually believe adding Umass as football only and then NMST as a full member may be our best move.
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 08:49 AM)Warsaw landing Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:33 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:48 PM)harley93davidson Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 11:22 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Since the Sunbelt has 2 non-football schools, UMass is the fb-only gift to the Sunbelt to get the CCG and split into divisions. To even out the Olympic spots side, I'm sure there is a non-football school in the east coast (A-Sun conference?)that would like to be part of the Sunbelt.

Unc Greensboro is the only non football school in the socon and pairs nicely with app state

I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

If NMSU adds its oly sports then there could be two football only schools and two that don't play football. No need to add more. Idaho and UMASS & UALR and UTA.
I actually believe adding Umass as football only and then NMST as a full member may be our best move.
As conservative as the SBC is would think that may be their solution for now. Kind of putting off what's right in front of them.
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:48 PM)harley93davidson Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 11:22 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 11:07 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Independence for JMU isn't possible.
Would be financial ruin for UMass. Not only would they
lose out on the millions being in a conference would bring
them would cause them to either drop football or go back
into FCS.
The Sun Belt likes to help out schools, so a FB only invite to UMass
wouldn't surprise me. Would give Benson another talking point
in his TV negotiations with those NE TV media people also.
Besides giving the SB a 12th football team.

Since the Sunbelt has 2 non-football schools, UMass is the fb-only gift to the Sunbelt to get the CCG and split into divisions. To even out the Olympic spots side, I'm sure there is a non-football school in the east coast (A-Sun conference?)that would like to be part of the Sunbelt.

Unc Greensboro is the only non football school in the socon and pairs nicely with app state

I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

There is no commitment to sports at UNCG. They add nothing to the Sun Belt unless you just need another meddling, mediocre basketball team and the Sun Belt already has plenty of those including my own Mountaineers. On the plus side though, they do play their home games at the Greensboro Coliseum. There will be plenty of empty seats for fans of visiting teams.
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 08:54 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 08:49 AM)Warsaw landing Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:33 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:48 PM)harley93davidson Wrote:  Unc Greensboro is the only non football school in the socon and pairs nicely with app state

I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

If NMSU adds its oly sports then there could be two football only schools and two that don't play football. No need to add more. Idaho and UMASS & UALR and UTA.
I actually believe adding Umass as football only and then NMST as a full member may be our best move.
As conservative as the SBC is would think that may be their solution for now. Kind of putting off what's right in front of them.

We could certainly do worse. Now if we can just get rid of Idaho...
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 08:38 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 05:44 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 01:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The only reason to add FCS teams is to protect your conference from total implosion, the MAC, if anything, is sturdy. There is no financial incentive to add beyond 12 teams, so unless ESPN tells the MAC that adding the bustling metropolis of Harrisburg, VA would be a total game changer I don't see the MAC extending an invite to JMU, or any FCS team, anytime in the near future.

BTW it is Harrisonburg, VA. And I agree with the MAC not adding anyone at the moment unless it significantly moved the needle.

The reason the MAC asked UMASS for all sports first instead of just kicking them out is because the MAC wants 14. The MAC is going 14, the question is when? The SBC is waiting to see what the MAC does.
They invited UMass for FB only because they had Temple and at the time wanted 14. The dynamics have changed with the CFB playoff and with Temple leavin the MAC so they gave UMass an ultimatum because without the need for them as the 14th they were of little value.
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 08:49 AM)Warsaw landing Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:33 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:48 PM)harley93davidson Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 11:22 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Since the Sunbelt has 2 non-football schools, UMass is the fb-only gift to the Sunbelt to get the CCG and split into divisions. To even out the Olympic spots side, I'm sure there is a non-football school in the east coast (A-Sun conference?)that would like to be part of the Sunbelt.

Unc Greensboro is the only non football school in the socon and pairs nicely with app state

I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

If NMSU adds its oly sports then there could be two football only schools and two that don't play football. No need to add more. Idaho and UMASS & UALR and UTA.
I actually believe adding Umass as football only and then NMST as a full member may be our best move.

Let me give you a geographic lesson. Beaumont Texas is closer to the Atlantic Ocean than it is to El Paso Texas. Why is giving a travel worried SBC a greater travel in 0lympics and football the best move?
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 09:09 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 08:38 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 05:44 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 01:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The only reason to add FCS teams is to protect your conference from total implosion, the MAC, if anything, is sturdy. There is no financial incentive to add beyond 12 teams, so unless ESPN tells the MAC that adding the bustling metropolis of Harrisburg, VA would be a total game changer I don't see the MAC extending an invite to JMU, or any FCS team, anytime in the near future.

BTW it is Harrisonburg, VA. And I agree with the MAC not adding anyone at the moment unless it significantly moved the needle.

The reason the MAC asked UMASS for all sports first instead of just kicking them out is because the MAC wants 14. The MAC is going 14, the question is when? The SBC is waiting to see what the MAC does.
They invited UMass for FB only because they had Temple and at the time wanted 14. The dynamics have changed with the CFB playoff and with Temple leavin the MAC so they gave UMass an ultimatum because without the need for them as the 14th they were of little value.

Exactly, the new CFP money distribution changed everything and the MAC has no incentive to go to 14 unless there is a real bang of a TV contract...which there won't be so that means they are staying at 12. CUSA wished they stayed at 12 with the details of the distrubtion now come to past.
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(04-07-2014 01:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The only reason to add FCS teams is to protect your conference from total implosion, the MAC, if anything, is sturdy. There is no financial incentive to add beyond 12 teams, so unless ESPN tells the MAC that adding the bustling metropolis of Harrisburg, VA would be a total game changer I don't see the MAC extending an invite to JMU, or any FCS team, anytime in the near future.

How will attend at Eastern and Central Michigan effect their membership with the MAC. Eastern averaged a whopping 4,018 or so this past year. Could they get booted?
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(04-07-2014 09:40 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 09:09 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 08:38 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 05:44 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 01:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The only reason to add FCS teams is to protect your conference from total implosion, the MAC, if anything, is sturdy. There is no financial incentive to add beyond 12 teams, so unless ESPN tells the MAC that adding the bustling metropolis of Harrisburg, VA would be a total game changer I don't see the MAC extending an invite to JMU, or any FCS team, anytime in the near future.

BTW it is Harrisonburg, VA. And I agree with the MAC not adding anyone at the moment unless it significantly moved the needle.

The reason the MAC asked UMASS for all sports first instead of just kicking them out is because the MAC wants 14. The MAC is going 14, the question is when? The SBC is waiting to see what the MAC does.
They invited UMass for FB only because they had Temple and at the time wanted 14. The dynamics have changed with the CFB playoff and with Temple leavin the MAC so they gave UMass an ultimatum because without the need for them as the 14th they were of little value.

Exactly, the new CFP money distribution changed everything and the MAC has no incentive to go to 14 unless there is a real bang of a TV contract...which there won't be so that means they are staying at 12. CUSA wished they stayed at 12 with the details of the distrubtion now come to past.
Agreed. CUSA thought they could get big money by adding a lot of teams and a lot of large metros as well but with the CFP money situation and the increasingly unlikely chance of a huge payout for TV they probably regret going to 14 and the MAC has little to no reason to do so either.

I hope the SBC stops at 12.
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 09:37 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 08:49 AM)Warsaw landing Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:33 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:48 PM)harley93davidson Wrote:  Unc Greensboro is the only non football school in the socon and pairs nicely with app state

I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

If NMSU adds its oly sports then there could be two football only schools and two that don't play football. No need to add more. Idaho and UMASS & UALR and UTA.
I actually believe adding Umass as football only and then NMST as a full member may be our best move.

Let me give you a geographic lesson. Beaumont Texas is closer to the Atlantic Ocean than it is to El Paso Texas. Why is giving a travel worried SBC a greater travel in 0lympics and football the best move?

NMSU was a solid member of the Sun Belt and they left on good terms as the Belt understood at the time of their departure...the WAC at that time was a better fit for them. I am not sure Lamar left on good terms.
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 09:37 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 08:49 AM)Warsaw landing Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:33 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:48 PM)harley93davidson Wrote:  Unc Greensboro is the only non football school in the socon and pairs nicely with app state

I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

If NMSU adds its oly sports then there could be two football only schools and two that don't play football. No need to add more. Idaho and UMASS & UALR and UTA.
I actually believe adding Umass as football only and then NMST as a full member may be our best move.

Let me give you a geographic lesson. Beaumont Texas is closer to the Atlantic Ocean than it is to El Paso Texas. Why is giving a travel worried SBC a greater travel in 0lympics and football the best move?

Because it is NMSU & as far as a geographic lesson JM, Liberty, EKU, JackSt, & UMass are all closer to the Atlantic Ocean than Lamar.
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(04-07-2014 09:50 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 09:37 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 08:49 AM)Warsaw landing Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:33 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

If NMSU adds its oly sports then there could be two football only schools and two that don't play football. No need to add more. Idaho and UMASS & UALR and UTA.
I actually believe adding Umass as football only and then NMST as a full member may be our best move.

Let me give you a geographic lesson. Beaumont Texas is closer to the Atlantic Ocean than it is to El Paso Texas. Why is giving a travel worried SBC a greater travel in 0lympics and football the best move?

Because it is NMSU & as far as a geographic lesson JM, Liberty, EKU, JackSt, & UMass are all closer to the Atlantic Ocean than Lamar.
Lamar is inside the SBC foot print which lowers the travel cost. Benson mentioned the 12th school helping on travel. Just saying.
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Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
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(04-07-2014 01:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The only reason to add FCS teams is to protect your conference from total implosion, the MAC, if anything, is sturdy. There is no financial incentive to add beyond 12 teams, so unless ESPN tells the MAC that adding the bustling metropolis of Harrisburg, VA would be a total game changer I don't see the MAC extending an invite to JMU, or any FCS team, anytime in the near future.

How will attend at Eastern and Central Michigan effect their membership with the MAC. Eastern averaged a whopping 4,018 or so this past year. Could they get booted?

I think eastern is safe, they contributed a good bit to basketball and the attendance problems are due to being next to U of Michigan I think the only way they get booted is if the ncaa actually cracks down on poor attendance


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When Benson was talking about easing travel he was talking about helping the other Sun Belt
schools out by having another school within fairly convenient driving distance of Boone, NC so
that they could play at that school and App State before flying back to their origin.
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(04-07-2014 09:37 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
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(04-06-2014 09:33 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:48 PM)harley93davidson Wrote:  Unc Greensboro is the only non football school in the socon and pairs nicely with app state

I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

If NMSU adds its oly sports then there could be two football only schools and two that don't play football. No need to add more. Idaho and UMASS & UALR and UTA.
I actually believe adding Umass as football only and then NMST as a full member may be our best move.

Let me give you a geographic lesson. Beaumont Texas is closer to the Atlantic Ocean than it is to El Paso Texas. Why is giving a travel worried SBC a greater travel in 0lympics and football the best move?
New Mexico State would be a great addition to Olympic sports and the realistic candidates are all a plane ride for ULM. Plus I personally don't want any more FBS teams in Texas, for recruiting purposes.
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RE: Will JMU wait for MAC invite?
(04-07-2014 09:46 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 01:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The only reason to add FCS teams is to protect your conference from total implosion, the MAC, if anything, is sturdy. There is no financial incentive to add beyond 12 teams, so unless ESPN tells the MAC that adding the bustling metropolis of Harrisburg, VA would be a total game changer I don't see the MAC extending an invite to JMU, or any FCS team, anytime in the near future.

How will attend at Eastern and Central Michigan effect their membership with the MAC. Eastern averaged a whopping 4,018 or so this past year. Could they get booted?

EMU will forever be bad when their stadium is 6.1 miles away from the Big House. CMU is in a down cycle but overall they are the 22nd winningest program in FBS history, they aren't going anywhere.

Sometimes I think we get too caught up in attendance numbers when looking at G5 schools. Even the top G5 schools are crap when compared to the big dogs. If the University of Michigan is pulling in 105K every Saturday does it really matter if EMU gets up to 25K? The gap is still embarrassingly enormous.
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(04-07-2014 01:34 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 09:46 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 01:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The only reason to add FCS teams is to protect your conference from total implosion, the MAC, if anything, is sturdy. There is no financial incentive to add beyond 12 teams, so unless ESPN tells the MAC that adding the bustling metropolis of Harrisburg, VA would be a total game changer I don't see the MAC extending an invite to JMU, or any FCS team, anytime in the near future.

How will attend at Eastern and Central Michigan effect their membership with the MAC. Eastern averaged a whopping 4,018 or so this past year. Could they get booted?

EMU will forever be bad when their stadium is 6.1 miles away from the Big House. CMU is in a down cycle but overall they are the 22nd winningest program in FBS history, they aren't going anywhere.

Sometimes I think we get too caught up in attendance numbers when looking at G5 schools. Even the top G5 schools are crap when compared to the big dogs. If the University of Michigan is pulling in 105K every Saturday does it really matter if EMU gets up to 25K? The gap is still embarrassingly enormous.
At least it would allow EMU to not have to use their Pepsi push up deal.
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(04-07-2014 09:37 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 08:49 AM)Warsaw landing Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:33 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 09:27 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:48 PM)harley93davidson Wrote:  Unc Greensboro is the only non football school in the socon and pairs nicely with app state

I don't see UNCG leaving the SoCon for the SunBelt. It would either be SoCon or CAA for them...

If NMSU adds its oly sports then there could be two football only schools and two that don't play football. No need to add more. Idaho and UMASS & UALR and UTA.
I actually believe adding Umass as football only and then NMST as a full member may be our best move.

Let me give you a geographic lesson. Beaumont Texas is closer to the Atlantic Ocean than it is to El Paso Texas. Why is giving a travel worried SBC a greater travel in 0lympics and football the best move?

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