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I'm working on a project for my sports economics class to determine if, all else equal, having an on campus stadium affects win percentage in Division 1 college football. Here's what I need from you guys.

Let me know if:
  • Your team has played at an off campus facility and moved to an on campus facility
  • Your team has played at an on campus facility and moved to an off campus facility
  • Your team has always played at an on campus facility
  • Your team has always played at an off campus facility

***Provide years, so I'll be able to put together statistics for win percentage.

For instance, UAB has played at an off campus facility (Legion Field) since its football program's inception in 1991. They have been competing in Division 1 since 1996.

Lastly, let me know what you think. How much do you think having an on campus/off campus facility affects win percentage?
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RE: Off Campus vs. On Campus Stadium
Arkansas State played on the same field (Kays Field) since its inception in 1911 (?).
In 1974, they moved to their current stadium.
Both stadiums were on campus.
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App State's football stadium, Kidd Brewer Stadium, has always been on campus. Even previous one
used until early 1960's was on campus. About five years ago had plenty of debate as to building a
completely new football stadium off campus, but too much sentiment toward keeping it on campus.
Believe it helps attendance. Top attendance in the FCS for several years, normally just south of
30,000 per game average each year.
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Thank you Fanof49ASU and GoApps70.

So far, my research has concluded that there are 25 schools currently playing in off campus facilities. Since 2000, I have noticed that 12 schools have built new facilities or simply moved (4 of which were located off campus previously). These schools are Akron, UCF, Florida Atlantic, and Minnesota.

The reason why I asked for extended help was to (1) help look further back in time by fans who may have personally witnessed the transition from off-campus to on-campus and (2) simply talk about the issue itself. It's an interesting one to me because UAB fans have been asking for an on-campus stadium for years. Some think that the stadium will lead to more wins but others point to schools such as Akron, Minnesota, and Florida Atlantic that have struggled since making the transition.
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Better fan experience is likely what it leads to. There should also be a component for your study for schools that have their own dedicated stadium off campus like USC, NC State and UConn.
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Yea, UConn is the strange one. They play their home games 30 miles from campus. Only a flagship school can get away with that.
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(04-01-2014 07:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yea, UConn is the strange one. They play their home games 30 miles from campus. Only a flagship school can get away with that.

Yeah but who stays in Storrs after graduation? Was a smart decision locating it in the middle of their fan base. Plus they are a flagship as you say with no instate competition.
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NMSU's Stadiums have all been on campus. Football has been played since 1894, always at D1. Whether it is on Campus or off campus, for me it is the atmosphere that can help win games.
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(04-01-2014 09:41 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  NMSU's Stadiums have all been on campus. Football has been played since 1894, always at D1. Whether it is on Campus or off campus, for me it is the atmosphere that can help win games.

And it has done wonders for our win-loss record 03-lmfao
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(04-01-2014 09:41 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  NMSU's Stadiums have all been on campus. Football has been played since 1894, always at D1. Whether it is on Campus or off campus, for me it is the atmosphere that can help win games.

Thanks CrimsonPhantom!
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Off Campus vs. On Campus Stadium
UL plays at Cajun Field which sits on the UL athletic complex/research park of around 400 acres. The campus proper is about 140 acres and is separated from the athletic complex by about a quarter mile wide area of mixed commercial and residential. There are currently plans in the works to acquire some of this property separating the two to make one continuous campus.

I don't know what qualifies as off campus for you, but I don't consider Cajun Field to be off campus.

Prior to moving to Cajun Field in 1971, the Cajuns played at McNaspy Stadium which was located on what I previously called the "campus proper," the 140 acre or so main campus at UL. I believe McNaspy was built around 1940. Now to go further back than that, I'm a little rusty. But I believe before McNaspy, the Cajuns played in the area that is now the location of our on campus swamp. Any older Cajun fans feel free to chime in and correct me if I'm wrong there.

Hope this helps with your research!
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(04-02-2014 12:00 AM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  UL plays at Cajun Field which sits on the UL athletic complex/research park of around 400 acres. The campus proper is about 140 acres and is separated from the athletic complex by about a quarter mile wide area of mixed commercial and residential. There are currently plans in the works to acquire some of this property separating the two to make one continuous campus.

I don't know what qualifies as off campus for you, but I don't consider Cajun Field to be off campus.

Prior to moving to Cajun Field in 1971, the Cajuns played at McNaspy Stadium which was located on what I previously called the "campus proper," the 140 acre or so main campus at UL. I believe McNaspy was built around 1940. Now to go further back than that, I'm a little rusty. But I believe before McNaspy, the Cajuns played in the area that is now the location of our on campus swamp. Any older Cajun fans feel free to chime in and correct me if I'm wrong there.

Hope this helps with your research!
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Tip: I would do some research on Baylor. They will be playing in a new $200 million on-campus stadium next year. There is some interesting things about the new stadium and the impact that it is projected to have in and around Waco.

Although their previous stadium, Floyd Casey Stadium, was built in 1950. It had several big renovations, including a really nice one in 2002. There is nothing technically wrong with "the Case" other than the fact that A) it is not on campus and in an old neighborhood and B) TCU, A&M, Texas, Texas Tech were all playing in "nicer" stadiums.
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(04-02-2014 09:55 AM)tx.state Wrote:  Tip: I would do some research on Baylor. They will be playing in a new $200 million on-campus stadium next year. There is some interesting things about the new stadium and the impact that it is projected to have in and around Waco.

Although their previous stadium, Floyd Casey Stadium, was built in 1950. It had several big renovations, including a really nice one in 2002. There is nothing technically wrong with "the Case" other than the fact that A) it is not on campus and in an old neighborhood and B) TCU, A&M, Texas, Texas Tech were all playing in "nicer" stadiums.

I knew they were off-campus currently, but I did not know they were moving on-campus. I appreciate the tip and I'll do a little more research specifically on their situation!
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I agree with Baylor. They used their recent success to gain support and funding for the stadium.
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I have been to alot of stadiums both on campus and off, and in my option, without a doubt, it seems fans have a better experience with on campus stadiums. One of the big advantages is fans show up early, visit the campus, have a nice lunch/dinner, and then casually head towards the stadium for tailgating and then the game, it just makes for a better experience than showing up early in a huge parking outside the stadium 4 hours before the game and sitting there.
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(04-01-2014 03:59 PM)frenchbeef Wrote:  I'm working on a project for my sports economics class to determine if, all else equal, having an on campus stadium affects win percentage in Division 1 college football. Here's what I need from you guys.

Let me know if:
  • Your team has played at an off campus facility and moved to an on campus facility
  • Your team has played at an on campus facility and moved to an off campus facility
  • Your team has always played at an on campus facility
  • Your team has always played at an off campus facility

***Provide years, so I'll be able to put together statistics for win percentage.

For instance, UAB has played at an off campus facility (Legion Field) since its football program's inception in 1991. They have been competing in Division 1 since 1996.

Lastly, let me know what you think. How much do you think having an on campus/off campus facility affects win percentage?

For another angle you might research win rates at the University of Arkansas - who for a long time played 3 or more home games off campus in Little Rock, and the rest on-campus in Fayetteville.
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(04-02-2014 12:00 AM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  UL plays at Cajun Field which sits on the UL athletic complex/research park of around 400 acres. The campus proper is about 140 acres and is separated from the athletic complex by about a quarter mile wide area of mixed commercial and residential. There are currently plans in the works to acquire some of this property separating the two to make one continuous campus.

I don't know what qualifies as off campus for you, but I don't consider Cajun Field to be off campus.

Prior to moving to Cajun Field in 1971, the Cajuns played at McNaspy Stadium which was located on what I previously called the "campus proper," the 140 acre or so main campus at UL. I believe McNaspy was built around 1940. Now to go further back than that, I'm a little rusty. But I believe before McNaspy, the Cajuns played in the area that is now the location of our on campus swamp. Any older Cajun fans feel free to chime in and correct me if I'm wrong there.

Hope this helps with your research!

My original thought was you were mistaken as I thought they had played in the current quadrangle area of campus, but I found the following info on the Ragin Cajun Athletic Network website. I copied what I thought were the pertinent parts. Needless to say that little piece of Whittington farm property turned out pretty valuable to the Universities current footprint. Beside the athletic portion, the Research Park has been HUGE for the university.

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Jefferson Caffery donation sparked stadium drive

In 1923, Ambassador Jefferson Caffery, a former student and coach at SLII, donated $200 to the Southwestern Louisiana Institute Athletic Association. This prompted President Edwin L. Stephens to begin a drive to build a stadium on the campus. The campaign dragged along until 1925, when Stephens put it into the hands of Lafayette entrepreneur Maurice Heymann. He raised $37,690 in three hours. With that $30,000-plus, the school intended to build a stadium complex that included �a quarter-mile oval, with straightway, baseball diamond, football field , a good fence, five thousand seats, a swimming pool, and a pavilion gymnasium with floor space for eighty feet by one hundred twenty feet."

Southwestern Stadium was built between McKinley Street and Hébrard Avenue. It's dedication took place on Oct.1 15, 1926, at the Southwestern - Sam Houston Normal game. The grandstand seated 1,200 persons, and 1,500 more could be seated in bleachers.

SLI athletes continued to use the facilities built under Stephens until McNaspy Stadium and the Earl K. Long gymnasium were completed during the 1939-1940 SLI construction program under President Lethar Frazer. More than a dozen new buildings went up on the campus during those years.

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Then, on April 19, 1966, President Clyde Rougeou announced that a new athletic complex would be constructed, away from the main campus. The plan to relocate the athletic complex ... was adopted almost a decade ago as one of USL's long range plans," Rougeou told a press conference. When the Whittington farm property and adjoining property was acquired, it was with the idea that this would be USL's expansion area for its main campus. The university, in making these long-range plans, was anticipating and planning for the large enrollment she is now experiencing and will continue to experience for some years in the future. Several months ago," Rougeou continued, I felt that the time had come to name a committee to look into the matter of relocating our athletic plant. First of all, we are in great need of the site on which the athletic plant is located for future expansion of our academic buildings and facilities. Secondly, our athletic plant is not only outdated, it is also most inadequate for our present needs. Because of our pressing needs and because of the interest indicated by such groups as the S' Club, I named (a) committee to look into ... relocating the athletic plant and determining facilities needed. ... The members of this committee are Herbert Heymann, chairman; D.S. (Shine) Young of the USL Athletic Committee; William T. Bass, Alumni S' Club; Whitey Urban, Athletic Director; William Patton, KATC-TV Manager; Dudley Lastrapes, KLFY-TV News Director; Richard D'Aquin, Daily Advertiser Editor; M.L. (Teague) Moore, Century Club; Foy McMath, Chamber of Commerce representative; and His Honor, Mayor J. Rayburn Bertrand, representing the City of Lafayette."
The result of those committee recommendations has been the creation of the present athletic complex built around the Cajundome and Cajun Field. The first part of the complex was Cajun Field, built in 1970.
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(04-02-2014 01:24 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 12:00 AM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  UL plays at Cajun Field which sits on the UL athletic complex/research park of around 400 acres. The campus proper is about 140 acres and is separated from the athletic complex by about a quarter mile wide area of mixed commercial and residential. There are currently plans in the works to acquire some of this property separating the two to make one continuous campus.

I don't know what qualifies as off campus for you, but I don't consider Cajun Field to be off campus.

Prior to moving to Cajun Field in 1971, the Cajuns played at McNaspy Stadium which was located on what I previously called the "campus proper," the 140 acre or so main campus at UL. I believe McNaspy was built around 1940. Now to go further back than that, I'm a little rusty. But I believe before McNaspy, the Cajuns played in the area that is now the location of our on campus swamp. Any older Cajun fans feel free to chime in and correct me if I'm wrong there.

Hope this helps with your research!

Southwestern Stadium was built between McKinley Street and Hébrard Avenue. It's dedication took place on Oct.1 15, 1926, at the Southwestern - Sam Houston Normal game. The grandstand seated 1,200 persons, and 1,500 more could be seated in bleachers.

SLI athletes continued to use the facilities built under Stephens until McNaspy Stadium and the Earl K. Long gymnasium were completed during the 1939-1940 SLI construction program under President Lethar Frazer. More than a dozen new buildings went up on the campus during those years.

Thanks CA. Between McKinley and Hebrard was the location of Southwestern Stadium. Now the location of the old McLaurin Gym near the union makes sense.

So we had Southwestern Stadium from 1926-1940 on the main campus, and McNaspy from 1940-1971.

Perhaps the current quad was the location of athletic events prior to 1926?? That block between Johnston, St. Mary, University, and Hebrard is the oldest part of the campus.
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(04-02-2014 01:42 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 01:24 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 12:00 AM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  UL plays at Cajun Field which sits on the UL athletic complex/research park of around 400 acres. The campus proper is about 140 acres and is separated from the athletic complex by about a quarter mile wide area of mixed commercial and residential. There are currently plans in the works to acquire some of this property separating the two to make one continuous campus.

I don't know what qualifies as off campus for you, but I don't consider Cajun Field to be off campus.

Prior to moving to Cajun Field in 1971, the Cajuns played at McNaspy Stadium which was located on what I previously called the "campus proper," the 140 acre or so main campus at UL. I believe McNaspy was built around 1940. Now to go further back than that, I'm a little rusty. But I believe before McNaspy, the Cajuns played in the area that is now the location of our on campus swamp. Any older Cajun fans feel free to chime in and correct me if I'm wrong there.

Hope this helps with your research!

Southwestern Stadium was built between McKinley Street and Hébrard Avenue. It's dedication took place on Oct.1 15, 1926, at the Southwestern - Sam Houston Normal game. The grandstand seated 1,200 persons, and 1,500 more could be seated in bleachers.

SLI athletes continued to use the facilities built under Stephens until McNaspy Stadium and the Earl K. Long gymnasium were completed during the 1939-1940 SLI construction program under President Lethar Frazer. More than a dozen new buildings went up on the campus during those years.

Thanks CA. Between McKinley and Hebrard was the location of Southwestern Stadium. Now the location of the old McLaurin Gym near the union makes sense.

So we had Southwestern Stadium from 1926-1940 on the main campus, and McNaspy from 1940-1971.

Perhaps the current quad was the location of athletic events prior to 1926?? That block between Johnston, St. Mary, University, and Hebrard is the oldest part of the campus.

I thought someone referenced All-American Christian "Keener" Cagle playing in the quad, and his biography shows him playing between 1922-1925 and graduating from SLI. I thought it was interesting he went on to West Point and played college ball for an additional four years, his last three being named All-American. It shows he didn't graduate from Army as he was secretly married to Marian Haile in 1928 in violation of Academy rules. Times sure have changed.
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