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(04-02-2014 09:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 09:41 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  Boy oh Boy! The statements made by those anti LU posters, about how they are going to be treated while attending a LU home FB game is simply unbelievable. As most of those seem to be from the deep South, maybe there is a little insecurity there. Fact is, Virginia is the only southern state that voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. North Carolina voted for Obama in 2008 but not 2012.

How did Alabama or Arkansas fare in those elections in supporting the democratic nominee? Lynchburg, with a 250,000 metro population, is a large area with a large diversity that goes well beyond the influence of Liberty. LU is not Lynchburg. LU is a large, private school in Lynchburg that has an influence but not a predominance in the region. The many false expressed fears about how gay and religious members of this board are expecting to be treated is a hoot.

The outlandish comments made by those who have never attended a LU home game, and the perilous way they expect to be treated at LU is really strange. It's almost like they want to incite an action to prove their point. Guys, it's going to happen with LU becoming a FBS member, likely in the SB. And all this expressed anger, fear, more anger, and judgement, can then be directed to beating LU and getting pumped up playing them.

It's seems impossible with the anti LU extremists expressed here by some that they always feel compelled to hijack a LU threads. Remember this is a "LU or UMASS" thread, but these posts always goes down a rabbit hole without any merit of the thread. Get prepared. It's gonna happen, and likely soon that LU becomes a FBS member, likely in the SB.

Wow.

How a state of 8,000,000 voted has anything to do with a student enrollment of less than 20,000 and a faculty of less than 2,000 is a hoot.

I'm not holding my breath on Liberty's SBC invite and neither should you.
We shall see grasshopper. It may or may not be the SB, but LU will be an FBS team. One who denies that is simply unaware.
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(04-02-2014 11:02 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  So you're saying LU needs to bring in some Lions at football halftime and watch Christians
run from them like they do with the Bulls in Spain?
That is a great quote GoApps70. It caused a really good chuckle.
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(04-03-2014 10:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 09:05 AM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 08:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 11:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And then there was that whole case of the Federal Government spending 1000x the funding on 14 deaths from tampered with Tylenol than they did on all HIV/AIDS funding that killed 300,000 in our community.

Link to that?

CDC identified AIDS in 1981.
In September of that year $8 million was allocated as a tack-on to the budget.
The next year $44 million.
The next $104 million.
A year later in September 1984 it was $208 million.
September of 1985 it grew to $507 million.
September 1986 the appropriation was raised to $926 million.
September 1987 budget went to $1.594 billion

In 1993 it was 40% of the CDC budget

By 1993 those people were all dead or dying. By 1985 the cat was out of the bag for many of them. And virtually no research money and no education money was in play prior to 1986 for research (as funding of projects took forever). For example, a simple 100,000 grant on safe sex was held up for a year because the Congress didn't want to teach Gay men how to have sex. It finally was funded after it was sleeved through the US Conference of Mayors.

One US city, San Francisco, was spending more out of a tiny municipal budget, for AIDS education than the entire Federal Government was spending (using a much larger pool of Federal tax dollars) well into the mid 80's. That was what we were dealing with.

A lot of the funding claimed wasn't research or education based. A lot of medical costs of simply treating those affected with the disease ended up in those figures.

Between 1979 and 1985 there was virtually zero research funding being used and the government blocked common sense HIV mitigation education funding. Six years is a long time to sleep on a major epidemic.

The CDC did little (neither did NIH) while this mess was gestating. They didn't identify anything until it hit them in the face. Repeatedly. By 1981, they couldn't avoid the issue any longer. The funding in 1985 should have been the 1981 appropriation. The 1981 "discovery" (which was already well known) should have been "made" in 1979.

And then there's the timelag between appropriations and starting research and obtaining results. Approving an appropriation in 1984 meant that nothing would have resulted for 3 years. Unless the CDC or NIH actually streamlined the funding (which they couldn't be bothered doing) or actually stopped playing politics with the education and mitigation funds (which they didn't do until about 1987).f

There's a reason the French found LAV (or HIV) and then found the anti-retroviral drugs. They actually funded real research much earlier than the US did. Time in this case meant lives.

Again, if you'd like to read about how the funding wars played out and what that funding actually went for, you may read "And the Band Played On" by Randy Shilts (he doesn't pull any punches on anybody)

Besides, why would C Everett Koop (an evangelical and GOP appointee) feel the need to print his report in secret and release it without telling anyone in the White House first? Telling. That was in 1987.

By 1993, it was 40% of the CDC budget. But that was too late. And by that time the disease had started to impact straight persons too.

If the CDC was so dumb why would they have received funding for it?

Too late? Life expectancy continues to climb.

The government moves slowly? I'm sorry but that is a shocking relevation.

A VA disability claim can take a year to process. Just being evaluated to see if you qualify for PTSD treatment takes two months and a fourth of those diagnosed will have to wait a year for treatment to start, while many of those checked off as "receiving treatment" in less than a year merely have received a prescription while they wait for specialized treatment.

OPM has a massive backlog processing retirement because the calculations have to be performed by hand because none of the computer systems they've bought has ever effectively been able to deal with all the special carve outs in retirement.

The Department of Labor is only 30 years behind schedule replacing the Dictionary of Occupational titles, an essential tome used in disability determinations (VA and Social Security) and Worker's Comp calculations and the inability to update it is costing about $250,000 for every person found disabled who would not be found disabled with a modern data set (for example answering phones in an office is deemed to require more skill than typing a letter because the data is based on old switchboards, any job requiring use of a computer is deemed to require at least two years of education after high school).
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(04-02-2014 11:02 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  So you're saying LU needs to bring in some Lions at football halftime and watch Christians
run from them like they do with the Bulls in Spain?

Since George Plimpton no one cares about the Lions.

Although you may be on to something....
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Aides had the potential of wiping out a lot of the world's population.
Of course it did, but could have been a lot worse. Thank God that Bush
had enough foresight to have drugs provided to Africa or they would have
been just about wiped out completely in some areas.
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(04-03-2014 11:17 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Aides had the potential of wiping out a lot of the world's population.
Of course it did, but could have been a lot worse. Thank God that Bush
had enough foresight to have drugs provided to Africa or they would have
been just about wiped out completely in some areas.

That and the Malaria initiatives were something that should get a lot more attention.
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(04-03-2014 11:12 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 10:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 09:05 AM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 08:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 11:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And then there was that whole case of the Federal Government spending 1000x the funding on 14 deaths from tampered with Tylenol than they did on all HIV/AIDS funding that killed 300,000 in our community.

Link to that?

CDC identified AIDS in 1981.
In September of that year $8 million was allocated as a tack-on to the budget.
The next year $44 million.
The next $104 million.
A year later in September 1984 it was $208 million.
September of 1985 it grew to $507 million.
September 1986 the appropriation was raised to $926 million.
September 1987 budget went to $1.594 billion

In 1993 it was 40% of the CDC budget

By 1993 those people were all dead or dying. By 1985 the cat was out of the bag for many of them. And virtually no research money and no education money was in play prior to 1986 for research (as funding of projects took forever). For example, a simple 100,000 grant on safe sex was held up for a year because the Congress didn't want to teach Gay men how to have sex. It finally was funded after it was sleeved through the US Conference of Mayors.

One US city, San Francisco, was spending more out of a tiny municipal budget, for AIDS education than the entire Federal Government was spending (using a much larger pool of Federal tax dollars) well into the mid 80's. That was what we were dealing with.

A lot of the funding claimed wasn't research or education based. A lot of medical costs of simply treating those affected with the disease ended up in those figures.

Between 1979 and 1985 there was virtually zero research funding being used and the government blocked common sense HIV mitigation education funding. Six years is a long time to sleep on a major epidemic.

The CDC did little (neither did NIH) while this mess was gestating. They didn't identify anything until it hit them in the face. Repeatedly. By 1981, they couldn't avoid the issue any longer. The funding in 1985 should have been the 1981 appropriation. The 1981 "discovery" (which was already well known) should have been "made" in 1979.

And then there's the timelag between appropriations and starting research and obtaining results. Approving an appropriation in 1984 meant that nothing would have resulted for 3 years. Unless the CDC or NIH actually streamlined the funding (which they couldn't be bothered doing) or actually stopped playing politics with the education and mitigation funds (which they didn't do until about 1987).f

There's a reason the French found LAV (or HIV) and then found the anti-retroviral drugs. They actually funded real research much earlier than the US did. Time in this case meant lives.

Again, if you'd like to read about how the funding wars played out and what that funding actually went for, you may read "And the Band Played On" by Randy Shilts (he doesn't pull any punches on anybody)

Besides, why would C Everett Koop (an evangelical and GOP appointee) feel the need to print his report in secret and release it without telling anyone in the White House first? Telling. That was in 1987.

By 1993, it was 40% of the CDC budget. But that was too late. And by that time the disease had started to impact straight persons too.

If the CDC was so dumb why would they have received funding for it?

Too late? Life expectancy continues to climb.

The government moves slowly? I'm sorry but that is a shocking relevation.

A VA disability claim can take a year to process. Just being evaluated to see if you qualify for PTSD treatment takes two months and a fourth of those diagnosed will have to wait a year for treatment to start, while many of those checked off as "receiving treatment" in less than a year merely have received a prescription while they wait for specialized treatment.

OPM has a massive backlog processing retirement because the calculations have to be performed by hand because none of the computer systems they've bought has ever effectively been able to deal with all the special carve outs in retirement.

The Department of Labor is only 30 years behind schedule replacing the Dictionary of Occupational titles, an essential tome used in disability determinations (VA and Social Security) and Worker's Comp calculations and the inability to update it is costing about $250,000 for every person found disabled who would not be found disabled with a modern data set (for example answering phones in an office is deemed to require more skill than typing a letter because the data is based on old switchboards, any job requiring use of a computer is deemed to require at least two years of education after high school).

In the case of PTSD, it wasn't happening within the context of a toxic political environment where prominent government officials openly cheerled the disease as God's Wrath, openly blocked/opposed increases in funding for the disease, or continued to scapegoat and demean our community.

Theres a big difference. No one wants our Veterans to be unfunded. Plenty opposed HIV/AIDS funding. Because of who the victims were.

Incompetence and mistakes are tragic. Deliberate malevolence is something else entirely.

Go back and read some of the comments of US Senator Jesse Helms or Reagan appointee Gary Bauer during this time. Or look up the fights over funding in the US House and Senate. Or Pat Robertson. Or Pat Buchanan. Or JERRY FALWELL, who as the head of a influential political group said "AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals, it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals" (seeking to profit politically from the deaths of people from AIDS instead of trying to find a solution). Of all the things Doc did and said, his response on this issue was the most appalling.
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(04-03-2014 11:17 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Aides had the potential of wiping out a lot of the world's population.
Of course it did, but could have been a lot worse. Thank God that Bush
had enough foresight to have drugs provided to Africa or they would have
been just about wiped out completely in some areas.

Actually TB and specifically Drug resistant TB is taking over for HIV as a massive killer in parts of Africa.
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And how preventable is AIDS Tom? How about answering that question for the class? It's not like we're talking about research to prevent some airborne killer virus that can't be stopped.
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From the WHO (not the awesome music group)

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/
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Liberty!!!!
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