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(03-27-2014 11:52 AM)slycat Wrote:  Yeah UL sucked for years and years. Now they had three good seasons and they are too good for the rest. Give me a break. Is CUSA really the step up you think it is?

Do some actual home work junior before you make such statements. UL football had a long stretch of bad years, but there were some very good seasons and conference championships as well. Given your programs record of zero bowls in the FBS, as mediocre as UL football as been its three more than TSTATE has today!
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Let me be clear once again...These are the options and this is what is happening -

1. The MAC is done expanding and will stay at 12.
2. UMASS is not an option for the SBC, whether football only or otherwise
3. The add will be an all sports member from the east
4. The two options are JMU and Liberty. MSU is not in the east, and EKU is not ready
5. JMU is the SBC clear favorite and front runner
6. There is still a bit of hesitation on the part of JMU
7. The SBC will visit JMU and Liberty this spring
8. Liberty's President is making trips to SBC schools as we speak...for any ASU or ULM fans, we were on your campuses last Thursday the 20th!
9. The SBC will extend an invite to either JMU or Liberty in May after those visits


You can put to rest any UMASS to the SBC rumors or JMU/UD to the MAC. Neither are going to happen, and I cannot say it emphatically enough. We like to waste a lot of time on here talking about things that make no sense and have no realistic shot at happening....I read a post the other day about Winthrop joining the SBC...I wonder sometimes how many of us are actually college graduates who follow collegiate athletics. The SBC brass has known for a month that UMASS was declining a MAC all sports bid...this is nothing new, and the SBC has been planning accordingly.
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(03-27-2014 12:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
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(03-27-2014 11:23 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  That's all well and good, you can prepare all you want, but no one is calling your name right now, so leaving just isn't an option.

Said that fan of a school whose president was on his knees constantly blowing anyone from the C-USA hierarchy and consistently spouting rhetoric on the record in the local news paper! Dude, do you know how idiotic you look right now lecturing Cajun fans?

I'm not lecturing anyone and you calling me an idiot is just the laugh I needed thanks.

We're talking about two different scenarios, for starters I'm not the president of MT and RaginCajun25 is not the president of ULL, furthermore, when we were preparing to leave is well known that there were actually conferences(and specifically ones we had been in contact with) that were in expansion mode, which is not the case presently, nor does it appear to be the case in the immediate future. Lastly, the entire time MT was a member of this conference you never heard me respond to "how do we improve this conference?" by saying "MT leaving".

But thanks again for the laugh.

Dude, has the C-USA board grown tired of your dog and pony show already that you feel it necessary to honor us with your great intellectual presence? Again, you come off as a major hypocrite lecturing Cajun fans. I know it’s difficult for you to read a thread and not give in to your constant urge of posting to convince others how intelligent and important your opinions are to every discussion. By all means continue to post and I will have a few laughs at your constant need to feed your own ego and sense of self-importance!03-nutkick

You may think I have a big ego or inflated sense of self importance, those are your perceptions, I'm not going to convince you of otherwise, but hypocrisy would involve saying one thing and doing another, that is not perception, that could be proven. So please explain to me how I've been a hypocrite when I've never bad mouthed this conference and never reached for an exit that simply wasn't there.

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(03-27-2014 11:35 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 10:58 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 10:52 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 10:30 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 09:29 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  From my perspective, I think Ark State and ULL are the glue/cement that is keeping the conference together. Actually, I think they drive the bus right now.

Don't discredit what USA means to AState and Louisiana. Jags leadership has historically been even keeled maybe a touch conservative, easy I-10 trip for the Cajuns, sit in a high value recruiting area for AState, well regarded by the community that hosts a bowl that AState has grown rather fond of as well.

There have been a number of assertions made by posters that may not be accurate at this time. I’m not sure UL, ASU and Texas State will not vote for another eastern program if some compromise is met.

1) I do believe UL, ASU and Texas State would like to see NMSU become a full member. Their basketball and baseball programs will add great value to this conference with Western Kentucky’s departure until the Aggies football program comes around.

2) I also think it’s established that UL, ASU and Texas State will not vote for any Southland Conference program period. So if not Missouri State or NMSU as a full member, I see no other options but to add another eastern program.

3) With some type of compromise in that manner, I could see a possible compromise being struck with UL, ASU and Texas State. At this point with the announcement forthcoming, some type of compromise has been reached.

Don't forget the possibilty of adding UTA football. It is Texas by the way and I do beleive they are the only state school without football.

IF UTA wanted football and announced later today, they would likely sign a class in Feb 2015 and not play a game until September of 15 and even then would likely play a "club" schedule.

They could play a I-AA slate in 2016 and 2017 and start play as a second year transitional in 2018. If they followed the USA model, they'd play an added club year and not appear on the Sun Belt slate until 2019 and be a full member 2020.

That's fast tracking if they know NOW. With the hoops schools have to jump through with students, faculty, and the governing board, 2022 would probably be more realistic.

If we added Missouri State/JMU now it will two years before we have a full 12. If UTSA announces now then we would have 13/14 by 2020. We would be in good position in case we lost a couple of members.
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(03-27-2014 12:26 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let me be clear once again...These are the options and this is what is happening -

1. The MAC is done expanding and will stay at 12.
2. UMASS is not an option for the SBC, whether football only or otherwise
3. The add will be an all sports member from the east
4. The two options are JMU and Liberty. MSU is not in the east, and EKU is not ready
5. JMU is the SBC clear favorite and front runner
6. There is still a bit of hesitation on the part of JMU
7. The SBC will visit JMU and Liberty this spring
8. Liberty's President is making trips to SBC schools as we speak...for any ASU or ULM fans, we were on your campuses last Thursday the 20th!
9. The SBC will extend an invite to either JMU or Liberty in May after those visits


You can put to rest any UMASS to the SBC rumors or JMU/UD to the MAC. Neither are going to happen, and I cannot say it emphatically enough. We like to waste a lot of time on here talking about things that make no sense and have no realistic shot at happening....I read a post the other day about Winthrop joining the SBC...I wonder sometimes how many of us are actually college graduates who follow collegiate athletics. The SBC brass has known for a month that UMASS was declining a MAC all sports bid...this is nothing new, and the SBC has been planning accordingly.
so 2 of 9 are correct and not the 2 of 9 that you would wish to be correct. So I hope you have a couple of pallets of Imodium and a comfy chair because...


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(03-27-2014 12:26 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:52 AM)slycat Wrote:  Yeah UL sucked for years and years. Now they had three good seasons and they are too good for the rest. Give me a break. Is CUSA really the step up you think it is?

Do some actual home work junior before you make such statements. UL football had a long stretch of bad years, but there were some very good seasons and conference championships as well. Given your programs record of zero bowls in the FBS, as mediocre as UL football as been its three more than TSTATE has today!

What's that word you're so fond of? Hypocrisy!

Harps on a two year old FBS program for having zero bowl appearances, Louisiana took 30+ years to get their first...

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(03-27-2014 12:26 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let me be clear once again...These are the options and this is what is happening -

1. The MAC is done expanding and will stay at 12.
2. UMASS is not an option for the SBC, whether football only or otherwise
3. The add will be an all sports member from the east
4. The two options are JMU and Liberty. MSU is not in the east, and EKU is not ready
5. JMU is the SBC clear favorite and front runner
6. There is still a bit of hesitation on the part of JMU
7. The SBC will visit JMU and Liberty this spring
8. Liberty's President is making trips to SBC schools as we speak...for any ASU or ULM fans, we were on your campuses last Thursday the 20th!
9. The SBC will extend an invite to either JMU or Liberty in May after those visits


You can put to rest any UMASS to the SBC rumors or JMU/UD to the MAC. Neither are going to happen, and I cannot say it emphatically enough. We like to waste a lot of time on here talking about things that make no sense and have no realistic shot at happening....I read a post the other day about Winthrop joining the SBC...I wonder sometimes how many of us are actually college graduates who follow collegiate athletics. The SBC brass has known for a month that UMASS was declining a MAC all sports bid...this is nothing new, and the SBC has been planning accordingly.

Can you tell us why we should take your word for it? There are multiple sources that say SBC is talking to UMASS. I said in an earlier post that the commissioners know the lay of the land, so I personally have no doubt that many folks knew MAC offered a full membership to UMASS, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to surmise they wouldn't accept. But how do you know UMASS is completely off the table? I could go along with all of the other things you stated as fact, but you have to give us more on the UMASS situation.
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(03-27-2014 12:03 PM)RaginCajun25 Wrote:  I didn't realize that it was against the law to say that the Sun Belt is not our final stop. For me to call it the Suck Belt, which it really is and we've been a part of it long enough to know, is a true testament of what all of you newcomers can expect. The newbies are happy to be D1 finally, but you'll see how we get $hit on and not respected.

I can just about guarantee you that about 75% of the athletic directors and presidents of the universities in this league would love to have the opportunity to move FORWARD. Most of you don't see it now, but once you've stayed awhile, you'll begin to smell the stench too.

I could guarantee you that about 100% of the ADs and presidents would love to move forward, but where are they going to go? The AAC is the only reasonable aspiration for someone in the SBC/CUSA/MAC at this point and anyone who could pull off that feat would get my accolades. But, the Big XII idea that I've seen some people toss around is a pipe dream, with a sizable list of nationally recognized schools with $40M+ budgets standing in the way. As for the "Suck Belt", I actually like our lineup over what we had 5 years ago.
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(03-27-2014 12:26 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let me be clear once again...These are the options and this is what is happening -

1. The MAC is done expanding and will stay at 12.
2. UMASS is not an option for the SBC, whether football only or otherwise
3. The add will be an all sports member from the east
4. The two options are JMU and Liberty. MSU is not in the east, and EKU is not ready
5. JMU is the SBC clear favorite and front runner
6. There is still a bit of hesitation on the part of JMU
7. The SBC will visit JMU and Liberty this spring
8. Liberty's President is making trips to SBC schools as we speak...for any ASU or ULM fans, we were on your campuses last Thursday the 20th!
9. The SBC will extend an invite to either JMU or Liberty in May after those visits


You can put to rest any UMASS to the SBC rumors or JMU/UD to the MAC. Neither are going to happen, and I cannot say it emphatically enough. We like to waste a lot of time on here talking about things that make no sense and have no realistic shot at happening....I read a post the other day about Winthrop joining the SBC...I wonder sometimes how many of us are actually college graduates who follow collegiate athletics. The SBC brass has known for a month that UMASS was declining a MAC all sports bid...this is nothing new, and the SBC has been planning accordingly.

1 Is correct
2 Is correct for 2014. No promises for afterwards.
3 The 2014 add will be from the East in all likelihood. Once again no promises beyond 2014.
4. If we plan to add by May...JMU and Liberty are the only options. However it is not guaranteed that we plan to add by May.
5. JMU is our first choice. Whether or not they will actually take the offer remains to be seen.
6. Is correct
7. Is correct
8. Is correct based on what I know. Though I wont pretend to check flight aware like you do.
9. Correction: The SBC Will vote on whether or not to extend an invite to Liberty or JMU by early May. If enough votes are tallied, then an invite will be extended. Lets not count our chickens.

Its very important that everyone understands the process, so when we do this again in 2015...we all know what to expect.
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(03-27-2014 12:38 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 12:26 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let me be clear once again...These are the options and this is what is happening -

1. The MAC is done expanding and will stay at 12.
2. UMASS is not an option for the SBC, whether football only or otherwise
3. The add will be an all sports member from the east
4. The two options are JMU and Liberty. MSU is not in the east, and EKU is not ready
5. JMU is the SBC clear favorite and front runner
6. There is still a bit of hesitation on the part of JMU
7. The SBC will visit JMU and Liberty this spring
8. Liberty's President is making trips to SBC schools as we speak...for any ASU or ULM fans, we were on your campuses last Thursday the 20th!
9. The SBC will extend an invite to either JMU or Liberty in May after those visits


You can put to rest any UMASS to the SBC rumors or JMU/UD to the MAC. Neither are going to happen, and I cannot say it emphatically enough. We like to waste a lot of time on here talking about things that make no sense and have no realistic shot at happening....I read a post the other day about Winthrop joining the SBC...I wonder sometimes how many of us are actually college graduates who follow collegiate athletics. The SBC brass has known for a month that UMASS was declining a MAC all sports bid...this is nothing new, and the SBC has been planning accordingly.

Can you tell us why we should take your word for it? There are multiple sources that say SBC is talking to UMASS. I said in an earlier post that the commissioners know the lay of the land, so I personally have no doubt that many folks knew MAC offered a full membership to UMASS, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to surmise they wouldn't accept. But how do you know UMASS is completely off the table? I could go along with all of the other things you stated as fact, but you have to give us more on the UMASS situation.

It's probably hard for him to pin down because the situation is still evolving....but as a Liberty man I guess he doesn't believe in that.
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(03-27-2014 11:46 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:08 AM)RaginCajun25 Wrote:  To elaborate....

Leaving the Sun Belt is the only way to continue having a "growth" with our athletics. Not bashing anyone, but this conference is made up of a bunch of start-up teams. We do have some quality adds in certain sports, but overall we are in the declining stage. For UL to continue on the current path of success (i.e. Facility Improvements, Athletics, Student Pop Growth) we need money. This conference does not give you that opportunity. We will always be dragging behind in RPI due to our conference strength, forcing to play money games because we have "no" TV deals. Our revenue sharing (I know it was voted on) isn't doing any favors to elite conference teams that have to cover expenses of other members. The commish of this league is by far the worst amongst all D1.

Sorry gents, but you can polish a turd all you want, NONE of us will prosper or continue to grow at this rate.

My #3 choice was basically a show or go type situation. Add quality or go find quality elsewhere.

You can't grow and prosper here?

I'm assuming I missed the updates when women's softball and baseball ceased being nationally relevant.

I don't recall a hoops non-conference run men's or women's that had you poised for an at-large that was dashed by league play pulling you down. In fact I recall slightly more than 12 months ago a Sun Belt garnered an at-large berth.

Was there an undefeated run through league play that left you out in the cold nationally that I missed.

Sorry. Load of bull.

Uniform patches don't improve teams. Might distract the fans for a little bit but UNLV became a prominent power in hoops in what was a dreadful Big West, Boise went to the BCS out of a league that has two teams in the bottom 10 of FBS (real bottom ten, not that made up ESPN thing).

Can the league do better? Hell yeah, revisiting the 2007 initiative and actually letting it work without out immediately caving when a few coaches complain would be a nice start.

I think you and he are talking about different views of growth. I’ve seen this discussion before when it comes to Astate fans and Cajun fans discussing the topic of growth and improving your brand. You stated as have others have from the Astate fandom just keep winning and things will work out. While that goes without saying, it’s a pretty narrow view of growth. I think it was you that also stated that we face a different environment in Louisiana because of the existence of four other FBS programs and a number of FCS programs, an important fact that Astate fans have not experienced in Arkansas. Fighting for recognition doesn’t just come with success on the field, but with conference affiliation and corporate dollars as well.

If there is a lesson we have learned from other SBC programs is that you cannot build a program on the backs of the student bodies and season ticket holders with fees alone, corporate investment is vital. Going out and selling your athletics to corporations that are not owned by UL graduates in Louisiana while playing in the Sun Belt, is a huge obstacle. Selling the Sun Belt Conference brand in this state while fighting for dollars against programs in C-USA, AAC and the SEC is a non- starter. It’s something that State fans will never fully grasp because you’re only FBS peer is Arkansas, located on the other side of the state. Corporate investment is vital and right now there just isn’t much interest to sink major money into a Sun Belt program. Of course UL could do a better job of selling itself, but it’s still a major obstacle in spite of our short comings in the fundraising department. While I agree success in athletics on the courts and fields is a major component to building an athletic brand, corporate investment is also vital in building facilities, increasing funding for students academics support, improving scheduling and attracting higher quality student athletes.

Winning is only part of the picture of growth. You cannot sustain growth without investment capital. So it does not go unnoticed that while we having successful runs in all our major sports with the exception of WBB, several local major corporations have told us we don’t see any value in spending money or tying their brand with a program in the Sun Belt Conference. You may not want to hear it, but it’s a huge obstacle we have to overcome in Louisiana.
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(03-27-2014 01:13 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  I think you and he are talking about different views of growth. I’ve seen this discussion before when it comes to Astate fans and Cajun fans discussing the topic of growth and improving your brand. You stated as have others have from the Astate fandom just keep winning and things will work out. While that goes without saying, it’s a pretty narrow view of growth. I think it was you that also stated that we face a different environment in Louisiana because of the existence of four other FBS programs and a number of FCS programs, an important fact that Astate fans have not experienced in Arkansas. Fighting for recognition doesn’t just come with success on the field, but with conference affiliation and corporate dollars as well.

If there is a lesson we have learned from other SBC programs is that you cannot build a program on the backs of the student bodies and season ticket holders with fees alone, corporate investment is vital. Going out and selling your athletics to corporations that are not owned by UL graduates in Louisiana while playing in the Sun Belt, is a huge obstacle. Selling the Sun Belt Conference brand in this state while fighting for dollars against programs in C-USA, AAC and the SEC is a non- starter. It’s something that State fans will never fully grasp because you’re only FBS peer is Arkansas, located on the other side of the state. Corporate investment is vital and right now there just isn’t much interest to sink major money into a Sun Belt program. Of course UL could do a better job of selling itself, but it’s still a major obstacle in spite of our short comings in the fundraising department. While I agree success in athletics on the courts and fields is a major component to building an athletic brand, corporate investment is also vital in building facilities, increasing funding for students academics support, improving scheduling and attracting higher quality student athletes.

Winning is only part of the picture of growth. You cannot sustain growth without investment capital. So it does not go unnoticed that while we having successful runs in all our major sports with the exception of WBB, several local major corporations have told us we don’t see any value in spending money or tying their brand with a program in the Sun Belt Conference. You may not want to hear it, but it’s a huge obstacle we have to overcome in Louisiana.

That actually hits upon why it is important for the Sun Belt to have both our programs.

I don't think anyone looks at what is happening in terms of success, salaries, and construction projects and questions that our programs are fully devoted to improvement.

Yet we hold a different perspective of the role of the league. It was our president who worked with the leaders around the league to reach a compromise statement of what every schools should aspire to do and a pathway to get there. The unfortunate thing was the leaders failed to lead top down.

They copped out when confronted by coaches that their security was in danger by playing tougher schedules and stammered and blamed "the league" and they caved to the complaints of their employees rather than saying, "That's what we expect HERE, if you can't do it let me know so I can seek a replacement who can."

For AState there just isn't any greener grass in C-USA or MAC. They are no more united in their committment nor to holding one another accountable.

C-USA is for all the history of the league is hoping three schools they admitted who had never played a down as an FBS school would be magic beans because they are located in places with lots of TV sets. They've added nine schools and seven of those primarily on the strength of the number of TV sets within so many miles of campus.

If C-USA handed down tough scheduling expectations and held each other's feet to the fire, I could see a difference that was significant then.

But the league needs the differing viewpoints lest it blunder around again when given the chance to reinvent itself.
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(03-27-2014 01:13 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:46 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:08 AM)RaginCajun25 Wrote:  To elaborate....

Leaving the Sun Belt is the only way to continue having a "growth" with our athletics. Not bashing anyone, but this conference is made up of a bunch of start-up teams. We do have some quality adds in certain sports, but overall we are in the declining stage. For UL to continue on the current path of success (i.e. Facility Improvements, Athletics, Student Pop Growth) we need money. This conference does not give you that opportunity. We will always be dragging behind in RPI due to our conference strength, forcing to play money games because we have "no" TV deals. Our revenue sharing (I know it was voted on) isn't doing any favors to elite conference teams that have to cover expenses of other members. The commish of this league is by far the worst amongst all D1.

Sorry gents, but you can polish a turd all you want, NONE of us will prosper or continue to grow at this rate.

My #3 choice was basically a show or go type situation. Add quality or go find quality elsewhere.

You can't grow and prosper here?

I'm assuming I missed the updates when women's softball and baseball ceased being nationally relevant.

I don't recall a hoops non-conference run men's or women's that had you poised for an at-large that was dashed by league play pulling you down. In fact I recall slightly more than 12 months ago a Sun Belt garnered an at-large berth.

Was there an undefeated run through league play that left you out in the cold nationally that I missed.

Sorry. Load of bull.

Uniform patches don't improve teams. Might distract the fans for a little bit but UNLV became a prominent power in hoops in what was a dreadful Big West, Boise went to the BCS out of a league that has two teams in the bottom 10 of FBS (real bottom ten, not that made up ESPN thing).

Can the league do better? Hell yeah, revisiting the 2007 initiative and actually letting it work without out immediately caving when a few coaches complain would be a nice start.

I think you and he are talking about different views of growth. I’ve seen this discussion before when it comes to Astate fans and Cajun fans discussing the topic of growth and improving your brand. You stated as have others have from the Astate fandom just keep winning and things will work out. While that goes without saying, it’s a pretty narrow view of growth. I think it was you that also stated that we face a different environment in Louisiana because of the existence of four other FBS programs and a number of FCS programs, an important fact that Astate fans have not experienced in Arkansas. Fighting for recognition doesn’t just come with success on the field, but with conference affiliation and corporate dollars as well.

If there is a lesson we have learned from other SBC programs is that you cannot build a program on the backs of the student bodies and season ticket holders with fees alone, corporate investment is vital. Going out and selling your athletics to corporations that are not owned by UL graduates in Louisiana while playing in the Sun Belt, is a huge obstacle. Selling the Sun Belt Conference brand in this state while fighting for dollars against programs in C-USA, AAC and the SEC is a non- starter. It’s something that State fans will never fully grasp because you’re only FBS peer is Arkansas, located on the other side of the state. Corporate investment is vital and right now there just isn’t much interest to sink major money into a Sun Belt program. Of course UL could do a better job of selling itself, but it’s still a major obstacle in spite of our short comings in the fundraising department. While I agree success in athletics on the courts and fields is a major component to building an athletic brand, corporate investment is also vital in building facilities, increasing funding for students academics support, improving scheduling and attracting higher quality student athletes.

Winning is only part of the picture of growth. You cannot sustain growth without investment capital. So it does not go unnoticed that while we having successful runs in all our major sports with the exception of WBB, several local major corporations have told us we don’t see any value in spending money or tying their brand with a program in the Sun Belt Conference. You may not want to hear it, but it’s a huge obstacle we have to overcome in Louisiana.

I don't think anyone here doubts the fact that the Cajuns face a ton of obstacles that we don't. I just think that most of us seem mildly surprised that you guys have not accepted conference realignment is out of your control, and worked to build your brand whatever the league.

I fully admit its completely different in Arkansas. A Razorback Grad running a business is either not going to give or will give to ASU, and it has nothing to do with our conference affiliation, because people in Arkansas have long accepted that we are Sun Belt Members.

Our biggest weakness and strength at ASU is that our growth is almost entirely tied to ourselves. With a competent administration and winning team, we'll be able to grow regardless of league.

The question I guess is that do you believe the Cajuns have maximized their growth potential in the SBC already,. or do you feel you still have more room to grow?
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(03-27-2014 12:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
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(03-27-2014 11:52 AM)slycat Wrote:  Yeah UL sucked for years and years. Now they had three good seasons and they are too good for the rest. Give me a break. Is CUSA really the step up you think it is?

Do some actual home work junior before you make such statements. UL football had a long stretch of bad years, but there were some very good seasons and conference championships as well. Given your programs record of zero bowls in the FBS, as mediocre as UL football as been its three more than TSTATE has today!

What's that word you're so fond of? Hypocrisy!

Harps on a two year old FBS program for having zero bowl appearances, Louisiana took 30+ years to get their first...

03-shhhh

And yet TSTATE has zero! I see no hypocrisy in that statement, but then again I'm not the one lecturing Cajun fans about wanting to get into C-USA when your fans and president did it almost daily. Sorry, that is called hypocrisy when you administration and fan base was guilty of doing the same things.
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(03-27-2014 11:52 AM)slycat Wrote:  Yeah UL sucked for years and years. Now they had three good seasons and they are too good for the rest. Give me a break. Is CUSA really the step up you think it is?

Do some actual home work junior before you make such statements. UL football had a long stretch of bad years, but there were some very good seasons and conference championships as well. Given your programs record of zero bowls in the FBS, as mediocre as UL football as been its three more than TSTATE has today!

Second fastest program to become bowl eligable. We didn't get a game but I'll take. The point I was making is that some uL fans suddenly have a elitist attitude. Remember where you came from, its not long ago that UL was a reason people didn't want to join the Belt. Don't treat others the same way.
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We should focus on improving the conference. Not bailing when a good streak comes along. SBC was the top G5 conference last year. The main thing the conference needs is a better TV deal and bowl games. That will come with improving the conference.
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(03-27-2014 01:28 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 12:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 12:26 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:52 AM)slycat Wrote:  Yeah UL sucked for years and years. Now they had three good seasons and they are too good for the rest. Give me a break. Is CUSA really the step up you think it is?

Do some actual home work junior before you make such statements. UL football had a long stretch of bad years, but there were some very good seasons and conference championships as well. Given your programs record of zero bowls in the FBS, as mediocre as UL football as been its three more than TSTATE has today!

What's that word you're so fond of? Hypocrisy!

Harps on a two year old FBS program for having zero bowl appearances, Louisiana took 30+ years to get their first...

03-shhhh

And yet TSTATE has zero! I see no hypocrisy in that statement, but then again I'm not the one lecturing Cajun fans about wanting to get into C-USA when your fans and president did it almost daily. Sorry, that is called hypocrisy when you administration and fan base was guilty of doing the same things.

Louisiana had zero after two years in FBS as well(had zero after thirty years in FBS) so you're holding Texas State to a standard Louisiana didn't meet.

You're calling me a hypocrite for something other MT fans did(but that's par for the course coming from you) and again there is a big difference in talking about a move to a conference that is actively in expansion mode and talking about leaving when there's nowhere to go.

That's the really funny thing about you calling me a hypocrite(well that and the fact that you're holding me accountable for what other people said) but my contention is not with Cajun fans talking about getting out of the Sun Belt, it's talking about getting out when there's nowhere to go, that and the bad mouthing.

You're also suffering from a bit of revisionist history regarding Dr. McPhee, he was pretty disinterested in CUSA and mum on the subject until the fans got up in arms over hearing how he dropped the ball the first time around when UNT and FIU got their invite and then we were trying to keep it hush hush until after the 2012 football season concluded, it was until our hand was forced with the talk of exit fees that Dr. McPhee said much of anything, but hey, don't let facts stand in your way(you never have in the past).
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(03-27-2014 01:39 PM)slycat Wrote:  We should focus on improving the conference. Not bailing when a good streak comes along. SBC was the top G5 conference last year. The main thing the conference needs is a better TV deal and bowl games. That will come with improving the conference.

The MAC's bottom teams....that were below .500

Akron 5-7
Kent State 4-8
Eastern Michigan 2-10
Massachusetts 1-11
Western Michigan 1-11
Miami (O) 0-12

The Sun Belt's bottom teams...that were below .500

Georgia State 0-12
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(03-27-2014 11:08 AM)RaginCajun25 Wrote:  To elaborate....

Leaving the Sun Belt is the only way to continue having a "growth" with our athletics. Not bashing anyone, but this conference is made up of a bunch of start-up teams. We do have some quality adds in certain sports, but overall we are in the declining stage. For UL to continue on the current path of success (i.e. Facility Improvements, Athletics, Student Pop Growth) we need money. This conference does not give you that opportunity. We will always be dragging behind in RPI due to our conference strength, forcing to play money games because we have "no" TV deals. Our revenue sharing (I know it was voted on) isn't doing any favors to elite conference teams that have to cover expenses of other members. The commish of this league is by far the worst amongst all D1.

Sorry gents, but you can polish a turd all you want, NONE of us will prosper or continue to grow at this rate.

My #3 choice was basically a show or go type situation. Add quality or go find quality elsewhere.

You can't grow and prosper here?

I'm assuming I missed the updates when women's softball and baseball ceased being nationally relevant.

I don't recall a hoops non-conference run men's or women's that had you poised for an at-large that was dashed by league play pulling you down. In fact I recall slightly more than 12 months ago a Sun Belt garnered an at-large berth.

Was there an undefeated run through league play that left you out in the cold nationally that I missed.

Sorry. Load of bull.

Uniform patches don't improve teams. Might distract the fans for a little bit but UNLV became a prominent power in hoops in what was a dreadful Big West, Boise went to the BCS out of a league that has two teams in the bottom 10 of FBS (real bottom ten, not that made up ESPN thing).

Can the league do better? Hell yeah, revisiting the 2007 initiative and actually letting it work without out immediately caving when a few coaches complain would be a nice start.

I think you and he are talking about different views of growth. I’ve seen this discussion before when it comes to Astate fans and Cajun fans discussing the topic of growth and improving your brand. You stated as have others have from the Astate fandom just keep winning and things will work out. While that goes without saying, it’s a pretty narrow view of growth. I think it was you that also stated that we face a different environment in Louisiana because of the existence of four other FBS programs and a number of FCS programs, an important fact that Astate fans have not experienced in Arkansas. Fighting for recognition doesn’t just come with success on the field, but with conference affiliation and corporate dollars as well.

If there is a lesson we have learned from other SBC programs is that you cannot build a program on the backs of the student bodies and season ticket holders with fees alone, corporate investment is vital. Going out and selling your athletics to corporations that are not owned by UL graduates in Louisiana while playing in the Sun Belt, is a huge obstacle. Selling the Sun Belt Conference brand in this state while fighting for dollars against programs in C-USA, AAC and the SEC is a non- starter. It’s something that State fans will never fully grasp because you’re only FBS peer is Arkansas, located on the other side of the state. Corporate investment is vital and right now there just isn’t much interest to sink major money into a Sun Belt program. Of course UL could do a better job of selling itself, but it’s still a major obstacle in spite of our short comings in the fundraising department. While I agree success in athletics on the courts and fields is a major component to building an athletic brand, corporate investment is also vital in building facilities, increasing funding for students academics support, improving scheduling and attracting higher quality student athletes.

Winning is only part of the picture of growth. You cannot sustain growth without investment capital. So it does not go unnoticed that while we having successful runs in all our major sports with the exception of WBB, several local major corporations have told us we don’t see any value in spending money or tying their brand with a program in the Sun Belt Conference. You may not want to hear it, but it’s a huge obstacle we have to overcome in Louisiana.

I don't think anyone here doubts the fact that the Cajuns face a ton of obstacles that we don't. I just think that most of us seem mildly surprised that you guys have not accepted conference realignment is out of your control, and worked to build your brand whatever the league.

I fully admit its completely different in Arkansas. A Razorback Grad running a business is either not going to give or will give to ASU, and it has nothing to do with our conference affiliation, because people in Arkansas have long accepted that we are Sun Belt Members.

Our biggest weakness and strength at ASU is that our growth is almost entirely tied to ourselves. With a competent administration and winning team, we'll be able to grow regardless of league.

The question I guess is that do you believe the Cajuns have maximized their growth potential in the SBC already,. or do you feel you still have more room to grow?

Conference realignment is out of your control in that conference invitations are controlled by a small group of individuals. What is still in your control is how one approaches that fact and takes initiative in approaching and selling these individuals on the value of your program. Because one does not control conference realignment doesn’t mean you are out of the game and should just crawl back into a corner and accept your place. This is why there is constant campaigning going on behind the scenes and major facility investments talking place across the college football landscape. What I find amusing is that the Astate administration has certainly not taken the approach of crawling back into a corner, but are actively campaigning behind the scenes using the same person as a go between as the UL administration. And while Cajun fans openly discuss the topic, Astate fans treat the subject like a dirty little family secret. You may call UL fans approach on the subject arrogant or brash, but unlike Astate fans we care very little for political correctness.
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(03-27-2014 01:36 PM)slycat Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 12:26 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:52 AM)slycat Wrote:  Yeah UL sucked for years and years. Now they had three good seasons and they are too good for the rest. Give me a break. Is CUSA really the step up you think it is?

Do some actual home work junior before you make such statements. UL football had a long stretch of bad years, but there were some very good seasons and conference championships as well. Given your programs record of zero bowls in the FBS, as mediocre as UL football as been its three more than TSTATE has today!

Second fastest program to become bowl eligable. We didn't get a game but I'll take. The point I was making is that some uL fans suddenly have a elitist attitude. Remember where you came from, its not long ago that UL was a reason people didn't want to join the Belt. Don't treat others the same way.

If you consider UL fans elitist because they voice their opinions about the Sun Belt Conference and wanting to leave as many of our former members have, that is your problem. UL was a founding member of football in this conference and owes you or any other fan that is insulted by the discussion no apologies. As far as anyone not wanting to join this conference because of UL, it they were FCS programs I find that laughable at best. But more than likely those same programs were avoiding Texas State as well. For the record, you wouldn’t be in this conference without Dr. Savoie’s vote.
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