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(03-21-2014 11:49 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  What would MSU bring to the table with a football only invite? I could see that more with JMU. Most JMU fans want nothing to do with the SB and if you read their board much the SB isn't even talked much about as an option. One guy actually thinks they can get into the AAC. And the other JMU fans don't let him get away with it.

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(03-22-2014 12:24 AM)SumItUp Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:50 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  James Madison has a better football facility but would be the 4th FBS school in Virginia. I don't think CAA bylaws permit football only membership. Its all sports or nothing with these guys.

CAA Football is a separate entity and not related to OLY sports.

I am pretty sure the CAA is requiring all full members to participate in football if they sponsor the sport. That is why I think Northeastern and Hofstra elected to just drop football over the possibility of losing CAA membership.

The CAA is more than comfortable accepting football only schools from the American East because of potential leverage down the road of adding some of them all sports.
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(03-22-2014 12:32 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
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(03-21-2014 11:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
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(03-21-2014 10:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Its nothing against you guys. If a UTC or JMU was ready and willing, this wouldn't be a discussion. The problem is they are not, so our options are not exactly the greatest in the world. Meanwhile, you've got a West team with strong Olympic sports flirting with the SBC after snubbing our advances for years.

It changes things.

Who is the West team that's has such strong Olympic sports? MSU hasn't been to the NCAA tourney in basketball in 15 years. They have a rich history, but 15 years is a long time. MSU baseball is 8-11 this year dropping 3 straight to Dallas Baptist. Liberty is 17-6 on the year. Football averages less than 9,000. Really?? All common sense would say JMU or Liberty.

Missouri State has the unfortunate problem of competing in a league with Wichita State. The reality is, if their Olympics even remotely match Liberty, they'll get the nod because they have such a strong relationship with many of the West teams in the league.

If Liberty wants in, they are going to have to convince ASU and ULL to change their minds.

It seems to me the Missouri St FB only might be the best move here.

1. Gives you a 12th school without another mouth to feed in basketball (albeit a nice mouth). The MVC and AAC are also sitting at 11 schools in basketball so I don't see a problem there.

2. Takes Missouri St off the table for the MAC or CUSA because it allows them to be able to keep their olympic sports in the MVC.

3. Out of all the schools with potentially the most upside Missouri St is it. They would be only the second FBS school in Missouri, a state like Arkansas with only one SEC school. As Missouri is forced into recruiting more across SEC country that will open up second tier FBS players for Missouri State.

James Madison has a better football facility but would be the 4th FBS school in Virginia. I don't think CAA bylaws permit football only membership. Its all sports or nothing with these guys.

Why on earth would the SBC invite Missouri State's weakest sport, when the reality is we need the basketball help a lot more than football?

There is zero chance the SBC offers anyone a football only invite. If Missouri State wants to play...they have to bring all their sports and kick the Valley to the curb.

There is a false presumption out there on the sports boards that any FCS school with strong basketball would by its very nature be less likely to be accepted to a conference FB-only because of it.

New Mexico State is FB-only in the SBC and they have a very good basketball program with very weak football. I would think Missouri State has a lot more potential in football than New Mexico State in football. That is pretty obvious.

I don't think the primary goal of adding a 12th football school is to upgrade the basketball conference. The primary goal is to upgrade the football conference.

1. Missouri St, 2nd FBS team in Missouri
2. James Madison, 4th FBS team in Virginia
3. Eastern Kentucky, 4th FBS team in Kentucky
4. Lamar, 13th FBS team in Texas

As you can see, the problem with adding another Texas school to the SBC is that while its a great recruiting state Lamar is too far down the list in the state hierarchy to make a difference. Then you have North Dakota State is the only school in the the Dakota's but doesn't have any recruiting upside.

The reason why Missouri State isn't very good in football right now is because its in the MVC football conference. Facility wise prior to the renovation they've been average for an FCS school. You put that same program in an FBS and the talent base is there to take off.

The SBC has the potential to go head-to-head with any G5 league in football and that is where the main focus of expansion should be. Finish ahead of the MAC and CUSA in the G5 standings and challenge the AAC for the access bowl.
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(03-22-2014 01:04 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 12:32 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:50 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:14 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Who is the West team that's has such strong Olympic sports? MSU hasn't been to the NCAA tourney in basketball in 15 years. They have a rich history, but 15 years is a long time. MSU baseball is 8-11 this year dropping 3 straight to Dallas Baptist. Liberty is 17-6 on the year. Football averages less than 9,000. Really?? All common sense would say JMU or Liberty.

Missouri State has the unfortunate problem of competing in a league with Wichita State. The reality is, if their Olympics even remotely match Liberty, they'll get the nod because they have such a strong relationship with many of the West teams in the league.

If Liberty wants in, they are going to have to convince ASU and ULL to change their minds.

It seems to me the Missouri St FB only might be the best move here.

1. Gives you a 12th school without another mouth to feed in basketball (albeit a nice mouth). The MVC and AAC are also sitting at 11 schools in basketball so I don't see a problem there.

2. Takes Missouri St off the table for the MAC or CUSA because it allows them to be able to keep their olympic sports in the MVC.

3. Out of all the schools with potentially the most upside Missouri St is it. They would be only the second FBS school in Missouri, a state like Arkansas with only one SEC school. As Missouri is forced into recruiting more across SEC country that will open up second tier FBS players for Missouri State.

James Madison has a better football facility but would be the 4th FBS school in Virginia. I don't think CAA bylaws permit football only membership. Its all sports or nothing with these guys.

Why on earth would the SBC invite Missouri State's weakest sport, when the reality is we need the basketball help a lot more than football?

There is zero chance the SBC offers anyone a football only invite. If Missouri State wants to play...they have to bring all their sports and kick the Valley to the curb.

There is a false presumption out there on the sports boards that any FCS school with strong basketball would by its very nature be less likely to be accepted to a conference FB-only because of it.

New Mexico State is FB-only in the SBC and they have a very good basketball program with very weak football. I would think Missouri State has a lot more potential in football than New Mexico State in football. That is pretty obvious.

I don't think the primary goal of adding a 12th football school is to upgrade the basketball conference. The primary goal is to upgrade the football conference.

1. Missouri St, 2nd FBS team in Missouri
2. James Madison, 4th FBS team in Virginia
3. Eastern Kentucky, 4th FBS team in Kentucky
4. Lamar, 13th FBS team in Texas

As you can see, the problem with adding another Texas school to the SBC is that while its a great recruiting state Lamar is too far down the list in the state hierarchy to make a difference. Then you have North Dakota State is the only school in the the Dakota's but doesn't have any recruiting upside.

The reason why Missouri State isn't very good in football right now is because its in the MVC football conference. Facility wise prior to the renovation they've been average for an FCS school. You put that same program in an FBS and the talent base is there to take off.

The SBC has the potential to go head-to-head with any G5 league in football and that is where the main focus of expansion should be. Finish ahead of the MAC and CUSA in the G5 standings and challenge the AAC for the access bowl.

It may make sense to you, but if any team comes to the SBC and asks for a football only, we'll turn them down. Why accept a football only member when we know we could get a few other schools for all sports?

That being said, Missouri State is not very happy with the Valley right now, and not pleased with Wichita State. If given an opportunity to separate themselves from the two entirely, I think they do wso.

the best solution for the SBC Is to take Missouri State and New Mexico State all sports and rebuild the basketball side of the league. Football is going to remain fairly strong either way.

You may not understand it, but I am telling you there is zero chance the SBC extends a football only invitation to anyone. Bring all your sports, or go look elsewhere.
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Another thought about why it should be Missouri St for the SBC; they would help the SBC with the bowl they want to put in Little Rock.

JMU or EKU do not add anything strategic on the bowl front and more of a stretch of the footprint than what Missouri St is. The geographical center of the SBC football conference is about where ULM is and Missouri St is not too far away.

There is a surplus of football talent in the Great Plains as shown by how strong NDSU and Northern Illinois are. MSU can tap into Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, Nebraska ect for talent, grabbing players that are going to MVC and MAC football schools. They wouldn't cut into SBC recruiting more than add to it.

As far as out of state football recruits on the MSU roster this is where they hail from:

Arkansas (10)
Kansas (6)
Oklahoma (5)
Tennessee (5)
Texas (4)
Arizona (3)
Iowa (2)
California (2)
Nebraska (1)
Illinois (1)
Wisconsin (1)
Minnesota (1)

Virginia (1)
Florida (1)

MSU has 12 recruits from upper great plains states. They are capable as and FBS school of making more head way in that region. MSU likes to recruit in Arkansas and Oklahoma so definitely the SBC is the right football conference.

The SBC would be better off with MSU football only to get that 12th member than EKU or JMU all sports where they are forced to accept another weak football program. I agree that MSU all sports would be ideal for the SBC but Arch Madness is too much to give up, IMO.
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(03-22-2014 01:08 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 01:04 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 12:32 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:50 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Missouri State has the unfortunate problem of competing in a league with Wichita State. The reality is, if their Olympics even remotely match Liberty, they'll get the nod because they have such a strong relationship with many of the West teams in the league.

If Liberty wants in, they are going to have to convince ASU and ULL to change their minds.

It seems to me the Missouri St FB only might be the best move here.

1. Gives you a 12th school without another mouth to feed in basketball (albeit a nice mouth). The MVC and AAC are also sitting at 11 schools in basketball so I don't see a problem there.

2. Takes Missouri St off the table for the MAC or CUSA because it allows them to be able to keep their olympic sports in the MVC.

3. Out of all the schools with potentially the most upside Missouri St is it. They would be only the second FBS school in Missouri, a state like Arkansas with only one SEC school. As Missouri is forced into recruiting more across SEC country that will open up second tier FBS players for Missouri State.

James Madison has a better football facility but would be the 4th FBS school in Virginia. I don't think CAA bylaws permit football only membership. Its all sports or nothing with these guys.

Why on earth would the SBC invite Missouri State's weakest sport, when the reality is we need the basketball help a lot more than football?

There is zero chance the SBC offers anyone a football only invite. If Missouri State wants to play...they have to bring all their sports and kick the Valley to the curb.

There is a false presumption out there on the sports boards that any FCS school with strong basketball would by its very nature be less likely to be accepted to a conference FB-only because of it.

New Mexico State is FB-only in the SBC and they have a very good basketball program with very weak football. I would think Missouri State has a lot more potential in football than New Mexico State in football. That is pretty obvious.

I don't think the primary goal of adding a 12th football school is to upgrade the basketball conference. The primary goal is to upgrade the football conference.

1. Missouri St, 2nd FBS team in Missouri
2. James Madison, 4th FBS team in Virginia
3. Eastern Kentucky, 4th FBS team in Kentucky
4. Lamar, 13th FBS team in Texas

As you can see, the problem with adding another Texas school to the SBC is that while its a great recruiting state Lamar is too far down the list in the state hierarchy to make a difference. Then you have North Dakota State is the only school in the the Dakota's but doesn't have any recruiting upside.

The reason why Missouri State isn't very good in football right now is because its in the MVC football conference. Facility wise prior to the renovation they've been average for an FCS school. You put that same program in an FBS and the talent base is there to take off.

The SBC has the potential to go head-to-head with any G5 league in football and that is where the main focus of expansion should be. Finish ahead of the MAC and CUSA in the G5 standings and challenge the AAC for the access bowl.

It may make sense to you, but if any team comes to the SBC and asks for a football only, we'll turn them down. Why accept a football only member when we know we could get a few other schools for all sports?

That being said, Missouri State is not very happy with the Valley right now, and not pleased with Wichita State. If given an opportunity to separate themselves from the two entirely, I think they do wso.

the best solution for the SBC Is to take Missouri State and New Mexico State all sports and rebuild the basketball side of the league. Football is going to remain fairly strong either way.

You may not understand it, but I am telling you there is zero chance the SBC extends a football only invitation to anyone. Bring all your sports, or go look elsewhere.

Its not that I don't understand the desire to push beyond 11th olympic members. I just disagree that the SBC would not consider another football only school when they just added Idaho football only last year.

Do you not agree that Missouri St football only is at least better than Idaho or New Mexico State football only?

The ideal situation for the SBC would be if they could add NMSU, MSU and Wichita St for 12 in football/14 in basketball. That would be ideal for the SBC but we are not living in an ideal world.

If I'm Missouri State I would want FB only SBC to grow the football program while keeping the travel footprint for other sports to a minimum. If I'm the SBC I would take Missouri St FB-Only over adding EKU basketball to the conference. Its not ideal for the SBC but its better than being forced into taking EKU or Liberty basketball.

SBC West: Idaho, NMSU, TX State, Missouri St, Ark St, ULM
SBC East: ULL, S.Alabama, Troy, Georgia St, G.Southern, App St

That looks like a pretty decent G5 conference on paper. You get strategic balance by splitting up ASU and ULL into the East/West divisons. It looks on paper like a stronger football conference than the MAC or CUSA. If ULL ever left then maybe pursue Liberty FB only as a replacement for 12 in football/10 in basketball. Its better for the SBC to downsize its basketball conference than take a chance with a school like EKU, IMO.
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Interesting article tonight about N. Dakota St. given their success in 1-aa and in basketball.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...g-decision
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(03-22-2014 01:54 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 01:08 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 01:04 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 12:32 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:50 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  It seems to me the Missouri St FB only might be the best move here.

1. Gives you a 12th school without another mouth to feed in basketball (albeit a nice mouth). The MVC and AAC are also sitting at 11 schools in basketball so I don't see a problem there.

2. Takes Missouri St off the table for the MAC or CUSA because it allows them to be able to keep their olympic sports in the MVC.

3. Out of all the schools with potentially the most upside Missouri St is it. They would be only the second FBS school in Missouri, a state like Arkansas with only one SEC school. As Missouri is forced into recruiting more across SEC country that will open up second tier FBS players for Missouri State.

James Madison has a better football facility but would be the 4th FBS school in Virginia. I don't think CAA bylaws permit football only membership. Its all sports or nothing with these guys.

Why on earth would the SBC invite Missouri State's weakest sport, when the reality is we need the basketball help a lot more than football?

There is zero chance the SBC offers anyone a football only invite. If Missouri State wants to play...they have to bring all their sports and kick the Valley to the curb.

There is a false presumption out there on the sports boards that any FCS school with strong basketball would by its very nature be less likely to be accepted to a conference FB-only because of it.

New Mexico State is FB-only in the SBC and they have a very good basketball program with very weak football. I would think Missouri State has a lot more potential in football than New Mexico State in football. That is pretty obvious.

I don't think the primary goal of adding a 12th football school is to upgrade the basketball conference. The primary goal is to upgrade the football conference.

1. Missouri St, 2nd FBS team in Missouri
2. James Madison, 4th FBS team in Virginia
3. Eastern Kentucky, 4th FBS team in Kentucky
4. Lamar, 13th FBS team in Texas

As you can see, the problem with adding another Texas school to the SBC is that while its a great recruiting state Lamar is too far down the list in the state hierarchy to make a difference. Then you have North Dakota State is the only school in the the Dakota's but doesn't have any recruiting upside.

The reason why Missouri State isn't very good in football right now is because its in the MVC football conference. Facility wise prior to the renovation they've been average for an FCS school. You put that same program in an FBS and the talent base is there to take off.

The SBC has the potential to go head-to-head with any G5 league in football and that is where the main focus of expansion should be. Finish ahead of the MAC and CUSA in the G5 standings and challenge the AAC for the access bowl.

It may make sense to you, but if any team comes to the SBC and asks for a football only, we'll turn them down. Why accept a football only member when we know we could get a few other schools for all sports?

That being said, Missouri State is not very happy with the Valley right now, and not pleased with Wichita State. If given an opportunity to separate themselves from the two entirely, I think they do wso.

the best solution for the SBC Is to take Missouri State and New Mexico State all sports and rebuild the basketball side of the league. Football is going to remain fairly strong either way.

You may not understand it, but I am telling you there is zero chance the SBC extends a football only invitation to anyone. Bring all your sports, or go look elsewhere.

Its not that I don't understand the desire to push beyond 11th olympic members. I just disagree that the SBC would not consider another football only school when they just added Idaho football only last year.

Do you not agree that Missouri St football only is at least better than Idaho or New Mexico State football only?

The ideal situation for the SBC would be if they could add NMSU, MSU and Wichita St for 12 in football/14 in basketball. That would be ideal for the SBC but we are not living in an ideal world.

If I'm Missouri State I would want FB only SBC to grow the football program while keeping the travel footprint to other sports to a minimum. If I'm the SBC I would take Missouri St FB-Only over adding EKU basketball to the conference. Its not ideal for the SBC but its better than being forced into taking EKU or Liberty basketball.

SBC West: Idaho, NMSU, TX State, Missouri St, Ark St, ULM
SBC East: ULL, S.Alabama, Troy, Georgia St, G.Southern, App St

That looks like a pretty decent G5 conference on paper. You get strategic balance by splitting up ASU and ULL into the East/West divisons. It looks on paper like a stronger football conference than the MAC or CUSA.

I think once again you are missing the boat on how important basketball is to this next add. We're losing our most historic basketball program by far July 1, and will be left with a league in which ULL's NCAA bid this year is the only current league to have an NCAA bid in 5 years.

Our basketball league is in serious danger to dropping into also ran status, and leave us fighting to avoid yearly trips to Dayton. Adding Missouri State all sports will not replace WKU...but they do offer at least another program who can come it and compete instantly for the league title.

If Missouri State says no for all sports, I think the play becomes either giving NMSU an all sports bid (Which they have basically already said they would take) or bringing in EKU all sports...and hoping the Colonels can make up football ground at a fast rate.

Truthfully, I already think our current football set up is better than that of CUSA...so its not like Missouri State FB Only is a must or anything.
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(03-22-2014 02:00 AM)SpiritCymbal Wrote:  Interesting article tonight about N. Dakota St. given their success in 1-aa and in basketball.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...g-decision

Here is a point. Let's say the SBC is thinking to itself, wow there is a lot of football talent in the great plains that could be in our conference. They see North Dakota St as a school who could contend easily for SBC football conference.

Then they think about travel to NDSU, the weather and ultimately write the idea off. With Missouri State you get the potential of a G5 program in the Great Plains without the travel hassle. Yes I know that Missouri St doesn't have a a good MVC football team as of right now but its potential is just as high, if not higher at the FBS level as NDSU.

If Idaho decided to drop down to FCS I can see where North Dakota St might make potentially a good FB-Only replacement. As of right now strategically they don't bring anything to the conference when compared to Missouri St.
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(03-21-2014 10:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Since the member need is in the East I suspect the SBC will add in the East.

What about Chattanooga olympic sports and Liberty FB Only? That would serve to keep the footprint tight in olympic sports while also picking up that 12th school in football. Liberty FB Only might sit better with presidents than an all sport invite.

I know Missouri State probably brings the most to the table but they aren't going to help balance out the Eastern schools.

UTC??? They don't even have baseball.

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(03-21-2014 04:12 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Well that is fantastic news. The question now is who....when...I don't think that is a question...not sure they would have voted at the bball tournament to expand if they were going to wait until next year to do it. JMU and Liberty applied. Two horse race. Who do they want?

Serious question?
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(03-21-2014 11:14 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:52 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Since the member need is in the East I suspect the SBC will add in the East.

What about Chattanooga olympic sports and Liberty FB Only? That would serve to keep the footprint tight in olympic sports while also picking up that 12th school in football. Liberty FB Only might sit better with presidents than an all sport invite.

I know Missouri State probably brings the most to the table but they aren't going to help balance out the Eastern schools.

UTC is not interested in moving.

This balance out in the East is overblown. App wants a travel partner...but App probably isn't going to get what they want because the rest of us would prefer a strong program.

We spent 40 years in the SoCon. We're used to it.

Its nothing against you guys. If a UTC or JMU was ready and willing, this wouldn't be a discussion. The problem is they are not, so our options are not exactly the greatest in the world. Meanwhile, you've got a West team with strong Olympic sports flirting with the SBC after snubbing our advances for years.

It changes things.

Who is the West team that's has such strong Olympic sports? MSU hasn't been to the NCAA tourney in basketball in 15 years. They have a rich history, but 15 years is a long time. MSU baseball is 8-11 this year dropping 3 straight to Dallas Baptist. Liberty is 17-6 on the year. Football averages less than 9,000. Really?? All common sense would say JMU or Liberty.
Their RPI is at what, mid 80s. Yours is what, mid 330s? Thanks for playing though.
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In the vid Kleinlein said the "add" would be for all sports?
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(03-22-2014 01:08 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  the best solution for the SBC Is to take Missouri State and New Mexico State all sports and rebuild the basketball side of the league. Football is going to remain fairly strong either way.

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We are NOT taking another football-only school. The next addition will be for all sports. Of that I am fairly certain.
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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
(03-22-2014 08:56 AM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 01:08 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  the best solution for the SBC Is to take Missouri State and New Mexico State all sports and rebuild the basketball side of the league. Football is going to remain fairly strong either way.

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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
(03-22-2014 07:00 AM)panama Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:14 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:52 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  UTC is not interested in moving.

This balance out in the East is overblown. App wants a travel partner...but App probably isn't going to get what they want because the rest of us would prefer a strong program.

We spent 40 years in the SoCon. We're used to it.

Its nothing against you guys. If a UTC or JMU was ready and willing, this wouldn't be a discussion. The problem is they are not, so our options are not exactly the greatest in the world. Meanwhile, you've got a West team with strong Olympic sports flirting with the SBC after snubbing our advances for years.

It changes things.

Who is the West team that's has such strong Olympic sports? MSU hasn't been to the NCAA tourney in basketball in 15 years. They have a rich history, but 15 years is a long time. MSU baseball is 8-11 this year dropping 3 straight to Dallas Baptist. Liberty is 17-6 on the year. Football averages less than 9,000. Really?? All common sense would say JMU or Liberty.
Their RPI is at what, mid 80s. Yours is what, mid 330s? Thanks for playing though.

The fact is they've still not been to the NCAA tourney is 15 years. It's impossible to defend Liberty basketball, but people on this board act like MSU is the second coming of UK. The facts are Liberty has been to the NCAA tourney twice since the last time MSU has. Thank you for playing all knowing Panama.
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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
Not trying to make excuses, but we have been screwed out of the tournament several times in the last 15 years that by all logical thinking we should have been in the tournament. We do have the record for highest rpi to not be allowed into the tournament.
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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
(03-22-2014 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 07:00 AM)panama Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:14 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:52 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  We spent 40 years in the SoCon. We're used to it.

Its nothing against you guys. If a UTC or JMU was ready and willing, this wouldn't be a discussion. The problem is they are not, so our options are not exactly the greatest in the world. Meanwhile, you've got a West team with strong Olympic sports flirting with the SBC after snubbing our advances for years.

It changes things.

Who is the West team that's has such strong Olympic sports? MSU hasn't been to the NCAA tourney in basketball in 15 years. They have a rich history, but 15 years is a long time. MSU baseball is 8-11 this year dropping 3 straight to Dallas Baptist. Liberty is 17-6 on the year. Football averages less than 9,000. Really?? All common sense would say JMU or Liberty.
Their RPI is at what, mid 80s. Yours is what, mid 330s? Thanks for playing though.

The fact is they've still not been to the NCAA tourney is 15 years. It's impossible to defend Liberty basketball, but people on this board act like MSU is the second coming of UK. The facts are Liberty has been to the NCAA tourney twice since the last time MSU has. Thank you for playing all knowing Panama.
I am not all knowing but I can read. So dont come in here with your 100 threads and trash MBB program trying to talk about OTHER MBB programs not performing. PUHLEEZE! Youre in the Big South and youre still not in the tournament. Mo State is in the same conference as Wichita State. Youre trumpeting making the tournament twice in the Big South??? 03-shhhh

And by the way who has ever heard of a PRIVATE school with a $58M budget? Is that for REAL!!?!?

03-shhhh

Best not to let anyone know how far the suck extends dude.

Add Mo State

End this farce.
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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
TXST basketball hasn't seen the NCAA floor since 1997. What's your point?
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