(03-17-2014 05:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Bring NMSU in all sports, and Missouri State in all sports and you've got a nice 12-13 alignment that's feasible and works.

I don't see that happening, as the east teams would be allowing two "west" teams in.

Only way I see NMSU getting in is if it's EKU or Liberty (shudder).

(03-17-2014 08:43 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Bring NMSU in all sports, and Missouri State in all sports and you've got a nice 12-13 alignment that's feasible and works.

I don't see that happening, as the east teams would be allowing two "west" teams in.

Only way I see NMSU getting in is if it's EKU or Liberty (shudder).

EKU is in close proximity to Appalachian State and better option than JMU who will hold out for a MAC invite and Liberty who can't get the votes. EKU has announced it is wanting to move up. Adding NMSU and Missouri State will help basketball and but the belt in good position.

(03-17-2014 09:24 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 08:43 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Bring NMSU in all sports, and Missouri State in all sports and you've got a nice 12-13 alignment that's feasible and works.

I don't see that happening, as the east teams would be allowing two "west" teams in.

Only way I see NMSU getting in is if it's EKU or Liberty (shudder).

EKU is in close proximity to Appalachian State and better option than JMU who will hold out for a MAC invite and Liberty who can't get the votes. EKU has announced it is wanting to move up. Adding NMSU and Missouri State will help basketball and but the belt in good position.

EKU is years away from being ready. That's why they don't have the votes.

We'll wait on JMU or Missouri State until they tell us to stop waiting.

(03-17-2014 09:24 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 08:43 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Bring NMSU in all sports, and Missouri State in all sports and you've got a nice 12-13 alignment that's feasible and works.

I don't see that happening, as the east teams would be allowing two "west" teams in.

Only way I see NMSU getting in is if it's EKU or Liberty (shudder).

EKU is in close proximity to Appalachian State and better option than JMU who will hold out for a MAC invite and Liberty who can't get the votes. EKU has announced it is wanting to move up. Adding NMSU and Missouri State will help basketball and but the belt in good position.

Yeah, I know EKU is close to App. That's why I mentioned them (or really I guess, JMU could also work) or Liberty would have to be invited for NMSU to get all sports.

The Eastern schools probably will not want to add NMSU all sports and another western school. Shifts the base of the conference too far west for their liking.

(03-17-2014 05:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I would be interested to see which East schools voted with WKU last year, would be more apt to change their mind this year with the Toppers out.

I don't know how USA voted, but it wouldn't surprise me if USA was one of those schools. Not so much a "No" to NMSU but more along the lines of support for WKU. We were the longest members of the conference and USA would probably have voted with WKU to help keep them happy and to keep them from bolting. Now that they are going to CUSA I wonder if the vote for NMSU would be different. I don't think USA is necessarily opposed to NMSU. If I recall correctly Troy might have been opposed to NMSU, but I don't think USA would align with Troy at all costs, because we do value our hoops and baseball and NMSU is good in hoops and decent in baseball. It wouldn't surprise me to see them added as a full member.

(03-17-2014 06:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 01:16 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have no idea what Ga. Southern's position is on Liberty, but I wonder if there is any chance of bringing in Liberty to get to 12 in football and bringing in NMSU in olympic sports.

If it comes down to 1 more vote to do something I cannot see Ga. Southern holding out as a "no" against anything the great majority of the conference wants.

Its possible, but it would take a situation where the West and East schools could not come to a consensus, and compromised by bringing in NMSU all sports and Liberty football.

The problem with that, is that we know JMU and Missouri State have the votes to get in...meaning both would have to turn the SBC down for such a situation to happen.

You know Missouri State has the votes? How? Do they have the interest in going FBS? I am still waiting for the MSU AD or President to actually say the words "FBS".

JMU, Liberty, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar have all at some point expressed publicly some desire or curiosity regarding FBS football. Missouri State has said nothing and done nothing. They are not close to being ready if they wanted to join FBS football.

Someone starts a rumor that Missouri State wants to go FBS, it becomes fact and then they suddenly have the votes. Then someone starts a rumor that the MSU President is attending a Sun Belt meeting in New Orleans and that becomes fact.

Nothing of substance. Benson never mentions Missouri State. This feels a lot like the JMU board love with CUSA/The MAC. Nothing of substance. A fantasy, but not a reality.

(03-17-2014 05:54 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  If we brought in NMSU and MSU why would we need EKU.

Adding MO State and EKU makes 13 for football, but EKU makes the tournament somewhat regularly, even with Murray State and now Belmont in the OVC.

(03-18-2014 01:31 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 06:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 01:16 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have no idea what Ga. Southern's position is on Liberty, but I wonder if there is any chance of bringing in Liberty to get to 12 in football and bringing in NMSU in olympic sports.

If it comes down to 1 more vote to do something I cannot see Ga. Southern holding out as a "no" against anything the great majority of the conference wants.

Its possible, but it would take a situation where the West and East schools could not come to a consensus, and compromised by bringing in NMSU all sports and Liberty football.

The problem with that, is that we know JMU and Missouri State have the votes to get in...meaning both would have to turn the SBC down for such a situation to happen.

You know Missouri State has the votes? How? Do they have the interest in going FBS? I am still waiting for the MSU AD or President to actually say the words "FBS".

JMU, Liberty, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar have all at some point expressed publicly some desire or curiosity regarding FBS football. Missouri State has said nothing and done nothing. They are not close to being ready if they wanted to join FBS football.

Someone starts a rumor that Missouri State wants to go FBS, it becomes fact and then they suddenly have the votes. Then someone starts a rumor that the MSU President is attending a Sun Belt meeting in New Orleans and that becomes fact.

Nothing of substance. Benson never mentions Missouri State. This feels a lot like the JMU board love with CUSA/The MAC. Nothing of substance. A fantasy, but not a reality.

I think you'll just have to take my word for it.

(03-18-2014 01:31 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  You know Missouri State has the votes? How? Do they have the interest in going FBS? I am still waiting for the MSU AD or President to actually say the words "FBS".

"the University Ambassadors have been instructed via Smart(Missouri State Pres.) to tell potential students that we are looking to move up in football"

http://missouristate.247sports.com/Board...24419518/3

(03-18-2014 08:08 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 01:31 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  You know Missouri State has the votes? How? Do they have the interest in going FBS? I am still waiting for the MSU AD or President to actually say the words "FBS".

"the University Ambassadors have been instructed via Smart(Missouri State Pres.) to tell potential students that we are looking to move up in football"

http://missouristate.247sports.com/Board...24419518/3

the fact is you cant pass on the addition of a legitimate top level program state flagship school like nmsu to add the likes of eku or jacksonville state and then whine that the sbc gets no respect..just sayin.

NMSU full and Mo St. #endthis

(03-19-2014 07:49 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  NMSU full and Mo St. #endthis

Agreed!

(03-19-2014 10:51 AM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 07:49 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  NMSU full and Mo St. #endthis

Agreed!

This is my favorite option also!

(03-19-2014 10:56 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 10:51 AM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 07:49 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  NMSU full and Mo St. #endthis

Agreed!

This is my favorite option also!

This time next year...we can revisit EKU as a travel partner to App St.

But add NMSU and Mo. State as full members now.

(03-17-2014 01:12 PM)nmsuaggies Wrote:  NMSU finished 26-9 this season. We lost some games, we probably should have won. The bright spot for NMSU is we are going to our fourth NCAA Tournament in five years, and we return all five starters next season, including getting 7'5 C Sim Bhullar little brother 7'3 C Tanveer Bhullar off his red-shirt. NMSU starts Sim Bhullar at 7'5 and Chili Nephawe at 6'10, and then will have Tanveer as the back up. Sun Belt should really look at adding NMSU for all sports. Would make the basketball conference better.

I agree. Add them for all sports. No sense in missing out on their best stuff.

(03-18-2014 08:08 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 01:31 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  You know Missouri State has the votes? How? Do they have the interest in going FBS? I am still waiting for the MSU AD or President to actually say the words "FBS".

"the University Ambassadors have been instructed via Smart(Missouri State Pres.) to tell potential students that we are looking to move up in football"

http://missouristate.247sports.com/Board...24419518/3

That is the best you can do? Another board rumor? Why doesn't Smart just come out and say that?

I keep saying that Missouri State is not talking because they are not moving. Missouri State averages 8,700 in attendance, plays mediocre football, has a $14 million athletic budget and an old FCS stadium that seats 17,000 (even after the improvements). Central Missouri University at the D2 level averaged 9,000 fans last season. Missouri State is not close to being ready. The 12th spot belongs to JMU if they want it, Liberty if they don't.

On the subject of basketball, NMSU is too far to travel for olympic sports. The bottom of the SBC needs to improve, especially my school. It is going to take time and adding NMSU in basketball won't make schools like Texas State better in basketball. The SBC will remain a one bid conference even with NMSU. That won't change unless the bottom feeders get better.

(03-20-2014 12:32 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 08:08 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 01:31 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  You know Missouri State has the votes? How? Do they have the interest in going FBS? I am still waiting for the MSU AD or President to actually say the words "FBS".

"the University Ambassadors have been instructed via Smart(Missouri State Pres.) to tell potential students that we are looking to move up in football"

http://missouristate.247sports.com/Board...24419518/3

That is the best you can do? Another board rumor? Why doesn't Smart just come out and say that?

I keep saying that Missouri State is not talking because they are not moving. Missouri State averages 8,700 in attendance, plays mediocre football, has a $14 million athletic budget and an old FCS stadium that seats 17,000 (even after the improvements). Central Missouri University at the D2 level averaged 9,000 fans last season. Missouri State is not close to being ready. The 12th spot belongs to JMU if they want it, Liberty if they don't.

On the subject of basketball, NMSU is too far to travel for olympic sports. The bottom of the SBC needs to improve, especially my school. It is going to take time and adding NMSU in basketball won't make schools like Texas State better in basketball. The SBC will remain a one bid conference even with NMSU. That won't change unless the bottom feeders get better.

You must have some alternative motive against Missouri State. You come across as a complete idiot.

(03-20-2014 12:32 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 08:08 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 01:31 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  You know Missouri State has the votes? How? Do they have the interest in going FBS? I am still waiting for the MSU AD or President to actually say the words "FBS".

"the University Ambassadors have been instructed via Smart(Missouri State Pres.) to tell potential students that we are looking to move up in football"

http://missouristate.247sports.com/Board...24419518/3

That is the best you can do? Another board rumor? Why doesn't Smart just come out and say that?

I keep saying that Missouri State is not talking because they are not moving. Missouri State averages 8,700 in attendance, plays mediocre football, has a $14 million athletic budget and an old FCS stadium that seats 17,000 (even after the improvements). Central Missouri University at the D2 level averaged 9,000 fans last season. Missouri State is not close to being ready. The 12th spot belongs to JMU if they want it, Liberty if they don't.

On the subject of basketball, NMSU is too far to travel for olympic sports. The bottom of the SBC needs to improve, especially my school. It is going to take time and adding NMSU in basketball won't make schools like Texas State better in basketball. The SBC will remain a one bid conference even with NMSU. That won't change unless the bottom feeders get better.

Good points on football crowd size and nmst travel distance.

However, if mo st will come we take them and their basketball program which is a level above anything in the sbc.


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SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  I keep saying that Missouri State is not talking because they are not moving. Missouri State averages 8,700 in attendance, plays mediocre football, has a $14 million athletic budget and an old FCS stadium that seats 17,000 (even after the improvements). Central Missouri University at the D2 level averaged 9,000 fans last season. Missouri State is not close to being ready. The 12th spot belongs to JMU if they want it, Liberty if they don't. 

On the subject of basketball, NMSU is too far to travel for olympic sports. The bottom of the SBC needs to improve, especially my school. It is going to take time and adding NMSU in basketball won't make schools like Texas State better in basketball. The SBC will remain a one bid conference even with NMSU. That won't change unless the bottom feeders get better.
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I guess Texas State has been the example others should follow in their move up to FBS. The excitement from the fans as well as the expected push to go FBS will get their attendance up...as others who have made this move have shown. NMSU is similar distance for ULL and is about as close twice as close to Texas State as APP State is. When New Mexico State was a full member of the Sun Belt before...they were a very reliable and competitive member.

(03-17-2014 08:18 PM)runamuck Wrote:  please no liberty or eku...

You're right to reject eku. They're really not much more than a community extension college of the univ of ky. They won't bring any fan base to the SBC. The sports/news broadcasts in Louisville all provide coverage to WKU, even broadcasting TV and radio of football and basketball. Never a word about eku or any other ovc program for that matter.