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(04-08-2014 04:08 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 04:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  No AD in the nation that has held a position for 10 years is mistake free, that is realistic.

One's perspective can be less negative than another's, neither is right or wrong.

Sam Baker is available if some of your fans are that upset about it. We can give good references.

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(04-07-2014 02:43 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Also, it's a FACT that after a 6-5 season losing to WCU with a coach that was very close to being fired, atendance went from 14K to 23K for the very first home game right after getting stomped by Kansas. The only change between seasons was Cobb (and the new unis, which was Cobb's doing). And it wasn't just because there was a new AD, it was because Cobb completely overhauled tailgating and made the 3:30 game time the norm.

Also, if my memory serves, wasn't that about the time they finished all the construction on the 421 widening project, easing the trip from the NC cities. Don't discount that as a factor for increased attendance. I think the combination of improved game day atmosphere combined with an easier trip is what did it.
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(04-08-2014 02:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Aren't stats great you can use them to make any point you'd like.

However, when someone is making a comparison it works best by limiting the variables. Apples to apples some might say.

2004 6-5 season no playoffs, regular season attendance under 14k

2005 regular season attendance over 20k.

A 43+% increase before AE, before national titles, before Michigan win.

70 you aren't changing my mind and obviously you would prefer to use your metrics over mine, no problem.

I will give Cobb credit for the good he has done (football atmosphere, increased donations, facility upgrades), and I will stand beside you to criticize his mistakes (the Capel hire being the biggest).

You may be letting your personal feelings get in the way of objectively judging his time as our AD.

You really should make it out to Quail Hollow tomorrow, maybe you and Charlie can patch things up.

He's fishing and coming up with nothing. He, along with everyone else know that the attendance of a playoff game is not relevant. Playoff games are always low compared to regular season. But, if he compared our playoff attendance to the attendance of other teams...well he wouldn't do that since it wont support his case.
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(04-08-2014 05:13 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 02:43 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Also, it's a FACT that after a 6-5 season losing to WCU with a coach that was very close to being fired, atendance went from 14K to 23K for the very first home game right after getting stomped by Kansas. The only change between seasons was Cobb (and the new unis, which was Cobb's doing). And it wasn't just because there was a new AD, it was because Cobb completely overhauled tailgating and made the 3:30 game time the norm.

Also, if my memory serves, wasn't that about the time they finished all the construction on the 421 widening project, easing the trip from the NC cities. Don't discount that as a factor for increased attendance. I think the combination of improved game day atmosphere combined with an easier trip is what did it.

I've lived in Boone since 2005. 421 started in 2005 and finished in either 2009 or 2010. 321 finished around the same time.
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Also, if my memory serves, wasn't that about the time they finished all the construction on the 421 widening project, easing the trip from the NC cities. Don't discount that as a factor for increased attendance. I think the combination of improved game day atmosphere combined with an easier trip is what did it.
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So hoping another big increase when 321 4 lane is complete.
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(04-08-2014 08:33 PM)appfan89 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Aren't stats great you can use them to make any point you'd like.

However, when someone is making a comparison it works best by limiting the variables. Apples to apples some might say.

2004 6-5 season no playoffs, regular season attendance under 14k

2005 regular season attendance over 20k.

A 43+% increase before AE, before national titles, before Michigan win.

70 you aren't changing my mind and obviously you would prefer to use your metrics over mine, no problem.

I will give Cobb credit for the good he has done (football atmosphere, increased donations, facility upgrades), and I will stand beside you to criticize his mistakes (the Capel hire being the biggest).

You may be letting your personal feelings get in the way of objectively judging his time as our AD.

You really should make it out to Quail Hollow tomorrow, maybe you and Charlie can patch things up.

He's fishing and coming up with nothing. He, along with everyone else know that the attendance of a playoff game is not relevant. Playoff games are always low compared to regular season. But, if he compared our playoff attendance to the attendance of other teams...well he wouldn't do that since it wont support his case.
If playoff games are throw away games, then why have them?
All those years of your being against App State going to FBS that was one of the main things your friends stated. We would miss the playoff games. Are they so insignificant you wish to throw their attendance out. Evidently not to the NCAA because they include them in yearly attendance.
You are fishing as well as everyone else who wants to show our AD has done such a great job. He has done some good things, but there is a huge amount of misses he has made. Especially in personnel decisions. No hurt feelings, just a realistic look at what has transpired. Then to leverage an additional three years just before a new Chancellor comes on board shows he knows he would be in jeapordy.
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(04-09-2014 03:49 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 08:33 PM)appfan89 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Aren't stats great you can use them to make any point you'd like.

However, when someone is making a comparison it works best by limiting the variables. Apples to apples some might say.

2004 6-5 season no playoffs, regular season attendance under 14k

2005 regular season attendance over 20k.

A 43+% increase before AE, before national titles, before Michigan win.

70 you aren't changing my mind and obviously you would prefer to use your metrics over mine, no problem.

I will give Cobb credit for the good he has done (football atmosphere, increased donations, facility upgrades), and I will stand beside you to criticize his mistakes (the Capel hire being the biggest).

You may be letting your personal feelings get in the way of objectively judging his time as our AD.

You really should make it out to Quail Hollow tomorrow, maybe you and Charlie can patch things up.

He's fishing and coming up with nothing. He, along with everyone else know that the attendance of a playoff game is not relevant. Playoff games are always low compared to regular season. But, if he compared our playoff attendance to the attendance of other teams...well he wouldn't do that since it wont support his case.
If playoff games are throw away games, then why have them?
All those years of your being against App State going to FBS that was one of the main things your friends stated. We would miss the playoff games. Are they so insignificant you wish to throw their attendance out. Evidently not to the NCAA because they include them in yearly attendance.
You are fishing as well as everyone else who wants to show our AD has done such a great job. He has done some good things, but there is a huge amount of misses he has made. Especially in personnel decisions. No hurt feelings, just a realistic look at what has transpired. Then to leverage an additional three years just before a new Chancellor comes on board shows he knows he would be in jeapordy.

It's pretty obvious that fans didn't show up for the playoff games early on, even in our fanbase. Ours was a little different, as we never lost in the first round until 2004. We had never lost at home until 2001 either, so our fans would basically say "Oh I'll go to the one next week cause that's more important." That's why you had the weak crowds on Thanksgiving weekend.

It was really frustrating. For all the complaints we heard about people not wanting to lose the opportunity to play in the playoffs each year, they sure didn't prove it when it came time to be in the stands. It's truly amazing how we'd have large crowds all season then during the playoffs it would flatline....ya'll experienced a good bit of that as well.
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(04-09-2014 03:49 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 08:33 PM)appfan89 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Aren't stats great you can use them to make any point you'd like.

However, when someone is making a comparison it works best by limiting the variables. Apples to apples some might say.

2004 6-5 season no playoffs, regular season attendance under 14k

2005 regular season attendance over 20k.

A 43+% increase before AE, before national titles, before Michigan win.

70 you aren't changing my mind and obviously you would prefer to use your metrics over mine, no problem.

I will give Cobb credit for the good he has done (football atmosphere, increased donations, facility upgrades), and I will stand beside you to criticize his mistakes (the Capel hire being the biggest).

You may be letting your personal feelings get in the way of objectively judging his time as our AD.

You really should make it out to Quail Hollow tomorrow, maybe you and Charlie can patch things up.

He's fishing and coming up with nothing. He, along with everyone else know that the attendance of a playoff game is not relevant. Playoff games are always low compared to regular season. But, if he compared our playoff attendance to the attendance of other teams...well he wouldn't do that since it wont support his case.
If playoff games are throw away games, then why have them?
All those years of your being against App State going to FBS that was one of the main things your friends stated. We would miss the playoff games. Are they so insignificant you wish to throw their attendance out. Evidently not to the NCAA because they include them in yearly attendance.
You are fishing as well as everyone else who wants to show our AD has done such a great job. He has done some good things, but there is a huge amount of misses he has made. Especially in personnel decisions. No hurt feelings, just a realistic look at what has transpired. Then to leverage an additional three years just before a new Chancellor comes on board shows he knows he would be in jeapordy.

I didn't say the games themselves were throw away games, I said the attendance figures shouldn't be used to judge how good/bad the attendance was for the year.
By the way, I'm not fishing. I'm not the one making any claims or accusations about our program or about Cobb.
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Also, if my memory serves, wasn't that about the time they finished all the construction on the 421 widening project, easing the trip from the NC cities. Don't discount that as a factor for increased attendance. I think the combination of improved game day atmosphere combined with an easier trip is what did it.
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So hoping another big increase when 321 4 lane is complete.
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When is the 321 widening scheduled to be complete anyways?
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No one's plans were made or broken based on 3/421 being two lanes or four. Give me a break.

Why is there this nonsensical obsession with hating Cobb?
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(04-08-2014 04:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  No AD in the nation that has held a position for 10 years is mistake free, that is realistic.

One's perspective can be less negative than another's, neither is right or wrong.

Can one be "less negative"? I will agree with being less critical. You may say that is semantics, but based on the rhetoric that comes out of Boone you are either negative or positive. 03-wink
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(04-08-2014 05:13 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 02:43 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Also, it's a FACT that after a 6-5 season losing to WCU with a coach that was very close to being fired, atendance went from 14K to 23K for the very first home game right after getting stomped by Kansas. The only change between seasons was Cobb (and the new unis, which was Cobb's doing). And it wasn't just because there was a new AD, it was because Cobb completely overhauled tailgating and made the 3:30 game time the norm.

Also, if my memory serves, wasn't that about the time they finished all the construction on the 421 widening project, easing the trip from the NC cities. Don't discount that as a factor for increased attendance. I think the combination of improved game day atmosphere combined with an easier trip is what did it.

One other thing to keep in mind is Peacock set the initial target of $1 million for the Yosef Club, before Cobb came on board. We were raising around $750K at the time. Many supporters, including myself, made it well known they would increase their contributions once Laney was removed. Him being sent to the showers sparked a surge in donations and increases from current members. The 1st NC kicked donations into high gear, the 2nd even more and the win at Michigan to heights few of us believed we would ever see. All the Yosef Club folks did was open envelopes and cash checks.

My criticism of the Yosef Club is over corporate money. The football teams took care of increasing donations from individuals, but we have fallen embarrassingly short on corporate giving and major gifts.
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Cobb's triumphs and failures (feel free to add some I miss):

Failures:
-Getting hung up on CUSA for far too long during the FBS process, going as far as whoring us from school to school AFTER UNCC got an invite (ie. when it was far too late)
-Hiring Jason Capel, one of the worst hires in NCAA history
-Hiring Buzz and not ponying up the $ to keep him
-The Jerry Moore debacle

Triumphs
-Getting us to the FBS
-Moving games to 3:30
-Hiring Pollard, Sattefield, and Darcey
-KBS enhancements
-Overseeing great football scheduling year-in, year-out
-Huge increase in YC donations and activism
-Getting us to the FBS!
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(04-09-2014 08:14 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  One other thing to keep in mind is Peacock set the initial target of $1 million for the Yosef Club, before Cobb came on board. We were raising around $750K at the time. Many supporters, including myself, made it well known they would increase their contributions once Laney was removed. Him being sent to the showers sparked a surge in donations and increases from current members. The 1st NC kicked donations into high gear, the 2nd even more and the win at Michigan to heights few of us believed we would ever see. All the Yosef Club folks did was open envelopes and cash checks.

My criticism of the Yosef Club is over corporate money. The football teams took care of increasing donations from individuals, but we have fallen embarrassingly short on corporate giving and major gifts.

Just to clarify some numbers:

2004 Yosef donations were $610k.
2005 $1.0M (before 1st title)
2008 $2.4M (year after Michigan)
2013 $3.0M (25% increase from the last title and Michigan win year)

I do agree we have fallen short on Corporate gifts. Something I hope is on the agenda for the new Charlotte Yosef Club rep they hired earlier this year.
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(04-09-2014 08:22 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Cobb's triumphs and failures (feel free to add some I miss):

Failures:
-Getting hung up on CUSA for far too long during the FBS process, going as far as whoring us from school to school AFTER UNCC got an invite (ie. when it was far too late)
-Hiring Jason Capel, one of the worst hires in NCAA history
-Hiring Buzz and not ponying up the $ to keep him
-The Jerry Moore debacle

Triumphs
-Getting us to the FBS
-Moving games to 3:30
-Hiring Paulard, Sattefield, and Darcey
-KBS enhancements
-Overseeing great football scheduling year-in, year-out
-Huge increase in YC donations and activism
-Getting us to the FBS!

Agree with this list, except he didn't hire Pollard.
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(04-09-2014 07:49 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  No one's plans were made or broken based on 3/421 being two lanes or four. Give me a break.

Never say no one.
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(04-09-2014 09:11 AM)Dman Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 07:49 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  No one's plans were made or broken based on 3/421 being two lanes or four. Give me a break.

Never say no one.

I'm not so sure, the widening from the Triad cut the trip by an hour each way from when I was in school to today. It's not much but it could be difference between a day trip and a night in a hotel, especially when you consider a late night drive home on a narrow mountain road versus a relatively straight highway. It can be a factor for some.
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(04-09-2014 09:11 AM)Dman Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 07:49 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  No one's plans were made or broken based on 3/421 being two lanes or four. Give me a break.

Never say no one.

I'm not so sure, the widening from the Triad cut the trip by an hour each way from when I was in school to today. It's not much but it could be difference between a day trip and a night in a hotel, especially when you consider a late night drive home on a narrow mountain road versus a relatively straight highway. It can be a factor for some.

Agreed, most of the alumni base is from the east traveling down I-40 to 421, myself included. 421 being complete and now tie that with the Boone improvements is huge. It's definitely cut a minimum of 20 minutes on my commute not to mention made it a much safer drive. Now if we can only get a Wilkesboro bypass I could cut off another 5-10 minutes...
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(04-09-2014 08:22 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Cobb's triumphs and failures (feel free to add some I miss):

Failures:
-Getting hung up on CUSA for far too long during the FBS process, going as far as whoring us from school to school AFTER UNCC got an invite (ie. when it was far too late)
-Hiring Jason Capel, one of the worst hires in NCAA history
-Hiring Buzz and not ponying up the $ to keep him
-The Jerry Moore debacle

Triumphs
-Getting us to the FBS
-Moving games to 3:30
-Hiring Pollard, Sattefield, and Darcey
-KBS enhancements
-Overseeing great football scheduling year-in, year-out
-Huge increase in YC donations and activism
-Getting us to the FBS!

More pros are getting softball, baseball and field hockey new facilities and the indoor practice facility.

Another con is being against cups with ice for years and not updating the Holmes Center.
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Spoke to Cobb for a bit tonight as well as coach Fox, excited about the future of App basketball.
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