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(03-03-2014 04:50 PM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  I see Texas either going Independent or to the SEC before I ever see them going to the ACC.

Texas to the ACC has been widely speculated during the first round of musical chairs.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1264923

(03-03-2014 05:05 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 04:50 PM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  I see Texas either going Independent or to the SEC before I ever see them going to the ACC.

Texas to the ACC has been widely speculated during the first round of musical chairs.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1264923

That was speculation in 2011.

(03-03-2014 04:53 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  There will be no movement from any P5 within the time frame of the current GoRs.
It is not, for example, like the ACC trying to get it's money from Maryland. It could be years before that gets through the last court, and even if the ACC is the final winner, it could be years again before the ACC could collect, if ever.
Maryland in the meantime has so far lost nothing but legal fees.

With a GoR, the media entity (which now owns the rights to the school) has all of the money, which it then disseminates to the school. Unlike an exit fee, which a school is supposed to pay, all present GoR money would withheld from the school if it violated the contract. Further, all future media monies would be withheld as well. Even IF, and that's a big IF, a school somehow successfully challenged a GoR in court, it could be years, even decades before it saw it's money...if ever.
I don't think any university could afford to vacate all media dollars for the duration of the GoR or even longer.

Therefore, at least in the immediate future, the only movement will be within the G5, or possibly 2 or 3 G5 (Cincy, UConn, Memphis) teams to a P5.
Although the SEC doesn't have a GoR, who in their right mind leaves the SEC?

(03-03-2014 05:08 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 05:05 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 04:50 PM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  I see Texas either going Independent or to the SEC before I ever see them going to the ACC.

Texas to the ACC has been widely speculated during the first round of musical chairs.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1264923

That was speculation in 2011.

(03-03-2014 04:53 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  There will be no movement from any P5 within the time frame of the current GoRs.
It is not, for example, like the ACC trying to get it's money from Maryland. It could be years before that gets through the last court, and even if the ACC is the final winner, it could be years again before the ACC could collect, if ever.
Maryland in the meantime has so far lost nothing but legal fees.

With a GoR, the media entity (which now owns the rights to the school) has all of the money, which it then disseminates to the school. Unlike an exit fee, which a school is supposed to pay, all present GoR money would withheld from the school if it violated the contract. Further, all future media monies would be withheld as well. Even IF, and that's a big IF, a school somehow successfully challenged a GoR in court, it could be years, even decades before it saw it's money...if ever.
I don't think any university could afford to vacate all media dollars for the duration of the GoR or even longer.

Therefore, at least in the immediate future, the only movement will be within the G5, or possibly 2 or 3 G5 (Cincy, UConn, Memphis) teams to a P5.
Although the SEC doesn't have a GoR, who in their right mind leaves the SEC?

The Big Ten did their homework on both Kansas and Oklahoma. Texas would have no choice but to look for a new home if those 2 left.

http://mrsec.com/2013/04/sources-the-big...-oklahoma/

A Lafayette, LA newspaper had an article TheAdvertiser.com about a possible Sunbelt expansion. Liberty and JMU are the frontrunners but it also mentions JMU is hoping for an invite from CUSA or MAC. I know none of this is new, but it does say that whatever team they add needs to be done so before June 1 so the team will be eligible for the 2015 season. I wonder how close to June JMU waits for the MAC to come calling before they join the Sunbelt. Or do they stay in FCS while Liberty moves up.

(03-12-2014 02:04 PM)benny_t Wrote:  A Lafayette, LA newspaper had an article TheAdvertiser.com about a possible Sunbelt expansion. Liberty and JMU are the frontrunners but it also mentions JMU is hoping for an invite from CUSA or MAC. I know none of this is new, but it does say that whatever team they add needs to be done so before June 1 so the team will be eligible for the 2015 season. I wonder how close to June JMU waits for the MAC to come calling before they join the Sunbelt. Or do they stay in FCS while Liberty moves up.

I still am baffled as to where all of this "JMU to the MAC" is coming from.
I don't believe that the MAC yet knows for sure what the disposition of UMass will be, and thus really doesn't, and shouldn't, do anything until it does. I don't believe that FCS/Harrisonburg JMU offers anything to any near future MAC television contract.
If the MAC brings on anyone (FCS), then it would be UD, in order to re-enter Philadelphia for the upcoming television contract renegotiation. UMass was part of the Temple (Philly market) package.
I believe that JMU-to-the-MAC this year is nothing more than speculative forum rhetoric.

IMO, the delay is because JMU is carefully weighing it's SBC option, and will take as long as it takes to make a responsible decision.

Liberty seems to currently be the second choice of the SBC, but there may now be a dark horse. EKU has recently stated it's intent to explore FBS. It is close enough to be a requisite travel partner for App St. It has good facilities, and has better than average basketball. Football is not well attended, but who knows....

UDel may very well not want to move up. Remember ODU approached both UD and JMU about moving as a group and they werent very responsive at the time. I think JMU may have had a change of heart, but I've seen no indication that UD has. If both of them went to the MAC, then that would be a better home for ODU as well. Especially so if Marshall went back there with us. I like the combo of ODU, JMU, Marshall and UD better than ODU, Marshall, UNCC, Middle Tenn, because you get three drivable games instead of two and an instate and familiar rival.

(03-12-2014 04:09 PM)monarx Wrote:  UDel may very well not want to move up. Remember ODU approached both UD and JMU about moving as a group and they werent very responsive at the time. I think JMU may have had a change of heart, but I've seen no indication that UD has. If both of them went to the MAC, then that would be a better home for ODU as well. Especially so if Marshall went back there with us. I like the combo of ODU, JMU, Marshall and UD better than ODU, Marshall, UNCC, Middle Tenn, because you get three drivable games instead of two and an instate and familiar rival.

I am not sure what the respective schools responses were at the time, and in any event, I am not sure that ODU had any influence on CUSA decisions.

What I do know is that in sports other than football, it would be a huge financial advantage to us to have a geographically close travel partner; certainly closer than MU or UNCC. I am reasonably confident that the prospect of ECU being that travel partner was very influential with our decision to move up.
For this reason, I believe that our administration will continue to press CUSA for JMU.

After Greenville and then Harrisonburg, Newark De is the next closest possibility; closer than either Charlotte or Huntington. Hence I suspect that we would also support UD to CUSA as well. As you noted, I am not sure that the Hens have any ambition toward FBS, nor do I think that they fit the CUSA profile, but you never know.

The recruiting, marketing, and if in the same conference media sharing disadvantages of another Va school going FBS would likely be outweighed by the financial advantages of a travel partner for all other sports. (I am speculating here as I have no figures or projections). I don't however see Liberty going to CUSA.

I personally believe that our ultimate destiny will be tied to ECU as it still needs a travel partner; but certainly JMU will continue to be addressed with CUSA by our administration.

(03-14-2014 08:58 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 04:09 PM)monarx Wrote:  UDel may very well not want to move up. Remember ODU approached both UD and JMU about moving as a group and they werent very responsive at the time. I think JMU may have had a change of heart, but I've seen no indication that UD has. If both of them went to the MAC, then that would be a better home for ODU as well. Especially so if Marshall went back there with us. I like the combo of ODU, JMU, Marshall and UD better than ODU, Marshall, UNCC, Middle Tenn, because you get three drivable games instead of two and an instate and familiar rival.

I am not sure what the respective schools responses were at the time, and in any event, I am not sure that ODU had any influence on CUSA decisions.

What I do know is that in sports other than football, it would be a huge financial advantage to us to have a geographically close travel partner; certainly closer than MU or UNCC. I am reasonably confident that the prospect of ECU being that travel partner was very influential with our decision to move up.
For this reason, I believe that our administration will continue to press CUSA for JMU.

After Greenville and then Harrisonburg, Newark De is the next closest possibility; closer than either Charlotte or Huntington. Hence I suspect that we would also support UD to CUSA as well. As you noted, I am not sure that the Hens have any ambition toward FBS, nor do I think that they fit the CUSA profile, but you never know.

The recruiting, marketing, and if in the same conference media sharing disadvantages of another Va school going FBS would likely be outweighed by the financial advantages of a travel partner for all other sports. (I am speculating here as I have no figures or projections). I don't however see Liberty going to CUSA.

I personally believe that our ultimate destiny will be tied to ECU as it needs a travel partner as well, but certainly JMU will continue to be addressed with CUSA by our administration.

I'm sure JMU would gladly accept an invitation to CUSA but I don't see that happening for a couple reasons. JMU doesn't really bring in a new TV market or recruiting grounds. The conference would have to add another member so the conference divisions would be even, which would further dilute the schools shares. The conference has also stated they are happy where they are and don't plan on expanding unless there is another departure. Also travel partner alignment would depend on the other school that was added. If they add based on geographic footprint it would be from Arkansas, South Carolina or Georgia. If the other school came from Arkansas or Georgia I could see where JMU would be Marshall's travel partner and Ours would be Charlotte.

(03-14-2014 09:40 AM)benny_t Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 08:58 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 04:09 PM)monarx Wrote:  UDel may very well not want to move up. Remember ODU approached both UD and JMU about moving as a group and they werent very responsive at the time. I think JMU may have had a change of heart, but I've seen no indication that UD has. If both of them went to the MAC, then that would be a better home for ODU as well. Especially so if Marshall went back there with us. I like the combo of ODU, JMU, Marshall and UD better than ODU, Marshall, UNCC, Middle Tenn, because you get three drivable games instead of two and an instate and familiar rival.

I am not sure what the respective schools responses were at the time, and in any event, I am not sure that ODU had any influence on CUSA decisions.

What I do know is that in sports other than football, it would be a huge financial advantage to us to have a geographically close travel partner; certainly closer than MU or UNCC. I am reasonably confident that the prospect of ECU being that travel partner was very influential with our decision to move up.
For this reason, I believe that our administration will continue to press CUSA for JMU.

After Greenville and then Harrisonburg, Newark De is the next closest possibility; closer than either Charlotte or Huntington. Hence I suspect that we would also support UD to CUSA as well. As you noted, I am not sure that the Hens have any ambition toward FBS, nor do I think that they fit the CUSA profile, but you never know.

The recruiting, marketing, and if in the same conference media sharing disadvantages of another Va school going FBS would likely be outweighed by the financial advantages of a travel partner for all other sports. (I am speculating here as I have no figures or projections). I don't however see Liberty going to CUSA.

I personally believe that our ultimate destiny will be tied to ECU as it needs a travel partner as well, but certainly JMU will continue to be addressed with CUSA by our administration.

I'm sure JMU would gladly accept an invitation to CUSA but I don't see that happening for a couple reasons. JMU doesn't really bring in a new TV market or recruiting grounds. The conference would have to add another member so the conference divisions would be even, which would further dilute the schools shares. The conference has also stated they are happy where they are and don't plan on expanding unless there is another departure. Also travel partner alignment would depend on the other school that was added. If they add based on geographic footprint it would be from Arkansas, South Carolina or Georgia. If the other school came from Arkansas or Georgia I could see where JMU would be Marshall's travel partner and Ours would be Charlotte.

Agreed on all points. I don't see CUSA expanding anytime soon.

Agree, don't see any CUSA expansion this year. Travel was hard enough this year going South, I don't want any travel North for FB or BB.

And so it begins:
http://countingdownto.com/countdown/jmu-...down-clock

A countdown to nowhere?...I don't get it?...

(03-18-2014 08:31 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  A countdown to nowhere?...I don't get it?...

It's a new episode of LOST!

(Spoiler alert: they were already dead!)

A countdown to an unhinged fan base on an entertaining message board. Grab some snacks and enjoy.

(03-18-2014 09:04 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  A countdown to an unhinged fan base on an entertaining message board. Grab some snacks and enjoy.

Toejamu forum is like watching a train wreck in months long slow motion! On their forum are posters wanting to go MAC, CUSA, with no openings, or SBC with Liberty and Missouri State competing, and posters wanting to stay CAA, and some wanting to move to the Patriot league!

I'm sure JMU fans have had FBS discussions long before ODU restarted football. If it came to a CUSA vote, ODU would vote YES to add JMU. What's wrong adding a guaranteed win every year?

(03-18-2014 09:26 PM)backrow Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 09:04 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  A countdown to an unhinged fan base on an entertaining message board. Grab some snacks and enjoy.

Toejamu forum is like watching a train wreck in months long slow motion! On their forum are posters wanting to go MAC, CUSA, with no openings, or SBC with Liberty and Missouri State competing, and posters wanting to stay CAA, and some wanting to move to the Patriot league!

You forgot the AAC--they fit perfectly into the geography of that conference so an invite is in the mail . With their declining fan base, half-built stadium, zero market and lack of success across football and basketball JMU is every conference's dream. It's too bad they've come to this conclusion two years too late. Now, they don't have the opportunity to ride ODU's coattails into a legit conference, their future is bleak.

(03-18-2014 10:21 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 09:26 PM)backrow Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 09:04 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  A countdown to an unhinged fan base on an entertaining message board. Grab some snacks and enjoy.

Toejamu forum is like watching a train wreck in months long slow motion! On their forum are posters wanting to go MAC, CUSA, with no openings, or SBC with Liberty and Missouri State competing, and posters wanting to stay CAA, and some wanting to move to the Patriot league!

You forgot the AAC--they fit perfectly into the geography of that conference so an invite is in the mail . With their declining fan base, half-built stadium, zero market and lack of success across football and basketball JMU is every conference's dream. It's too bad they've come to this conclusion two years too late. Now, they don't have the opportunity to ride ODU's coattails into a legit conference, their future is bleak.

bleak. Ouchhhhh

(03-18-2014 10:21 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 09:26 PM)backrow Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 09:04 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  A countdown to an unhinged fan base on an entertaining message board. Grab some snacks and enjoy.

Toejamu forum is like watching a train wreck in months long slow motion! On their forum are posters wanting to go MAC, CUSA, with no openings, or SBC with Liberty and Missouri State competing, and posters wanting to stay CAA, and some wanting to move to the Patriot league!

You forgot the AAC--they fit perfectly into the geography of that conference so an invite is in the mail . With their declining fan base, half-built stadium, zero market and lack of success across football and basketball JMU is every conference's dream. It's too bad they've come to this conclusion two years too late. Now, they don't have the opportunity to ride ODU's coattails into a legit conference, their future is bleak.

You are a non believer. You are unwashed. You are an infidel.
You are <gasp!> a troll!


I on the other hand have sources! JMU IS on the AAC radar! I have been told that a move by JMU to the AAC is imminent.
Book it!



http://www.aacsports.com/members.php

(03-18-2014 10:21 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  and lack of success across football ...

Aside from their 2004 FCS National Championship and win against an actual FBS and Top 25 opponent, there really isn't much success in that program.