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RE: Ideal Conference Draft - 2014
I intended to give a complete rundown of my conference plan, but I am in my busiest month of the year at work, so I just haven't had time. My first priority was to stay as high on the revenue board as possible with each pick, but every selection had to have been a national contender in at least one of the three major sports and preferably won a national title recently. Keeping in mind that I intentionally decided that geography would not be a factor (I intended an east and west divisional setup), the one factor that was a "have to have" was good baseball. All of my choices have appeared in a recent CWS and most have won a national title or played in the championship game in the last 15-20 years. Like BBB, I had one late team that would have rounded out my conference nicely, but Rice was taken just ahead of me. I had to sub a premier football national champ like Auburn although they play just adequate baseball because the value was simply too high. In retrospect, I probably should have taken South Carolina there instead of thinking I could get them in the next round. I missed on a couple of others but overall I was happy with the way it went. My conference would have had national contenders in football (LSU, Stanford, Auburn), basketball (Louisville) and killed it in baseball.
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whipped up this lil' gem.

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(03-19-2014 11:33 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(03-19-2014 11:21 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I will say, BBB and Wedge both put together very consistent leagues which is hard to do.

The BBB western league has a large but still geographically cohesive footprint.

Wedge has , with the exception of NWU, a league that is pretty coherently a North/South east coast league.

Wedge has a pretty darn good ACC.

I was late to the party on Oregon State. As everyone says, I was ready to pick them next before Zombiewoof took them. Since I was trying to take over the west, I really couldn't trade any of my teams to get an Oregon school without losing another major piece. I knew that I would have a hard time getting all of Texas, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon. Among those, I felt that Oregon State was the most undervalued potential replacement for one of those 4 schools. Oregon State actually has better academics that Oregon, and they are one Phil Knight or T. Boone Pickens away from being whatever they decide to be. I really thought I had a good chance at Oregon State with the 62nd pick, but Zombie took them at 59. If that pick would have landed, I would be ecstatic. However, I did not feel good about taking either Colorado or Utah one round earlier than I did, and their availability along with BYU's immediate pick after my Utah selection made me feel good about their valuations.

Anyway, I almost pulled it off, but that is for horseshoes and hand grenades, as they say. My ultimate plan was for Texas, UCLA, Washington, California, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Oregon State, New Mexico, Hawaii, Nevada, and Idaho. If we were going to 14, I would have taken Wyoming and petitioned for Montana. What can I say... I like maps.

BBB, you ran into the same issues that I did the first time we did one of these drafts. There are only so many quality programs to add in the west, and it gets more difficult when one or two other drafters poach a few teams in the west for themselves.

My league worked out in this draft because, for whatever reason, it looks like everyone else who wanted southern teams pretty much decided to start looking elsewhere after the early run on SEC teams. I was able to get good value by taking Clemson, VT, Syracuse, and GT in the rounds that I did, and didn't have to expand the geographical reach until we got to the point where the remaining options were very thin.

Another thing we can see after doing two of these is that major trades are difficult to make. Changing strategy in mid-draft and trying to make trades to "correct" into a second strategy might not work. Taking a big-name team early to use as trade bait also seems risky. I almost took Nebraska (instead of Clemson) to use as trade bait in this draft, but decided against it because I couldn't see anyone giving me a team of equal value that fit into what I was trying to do; IOW I thought that it was unlikely I could trade Nebraska for a team more valuable than Clemson, so I just took Clemson with that pick.

An FCS draft sounds interesting, though it would be difficult to do with 8 or 9 people drafting because FCS is not very deep with quality football programs and it's more limited regionally.
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(03-19-2014 05:27 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-19-2014 11:33 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(03-19-2014 11:21 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I will say, BBB and Wedge both put together very consistent leagues which is hard to do.

The BBB western league has a large but still geographically cohesive footprint.

Wedge has , with the exception of NWU, a league that is pretty coherently a North/South east coast league.

Wedge has a pretty darn good ACC.

I was late to the party on Oregon State. As everyone says, I was ready to pick them next before Zombiewoof took them. Since I was trying to take over the west, I really couldn't trade any of my teams to get an Oregon school without losing another major piece. I knew that I would have a hard time getting all of Texas, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon. Among those, I felt that Oregon State was the most undervalued potential replacement for one of those 4 schools. Oregon State actually has better academics that Oregon, and they are one Phil Knight or T. Boone Pickens away from being whatever they decide to be. I really thought I had a good chance at Oregon State with the 62nd pick, but Zombie took them at 59. If that pick would have landed, I would be ecstatic. However, I did not feel good about taking either Colorado or Utah one round earlier than I did, and their availability along with BYU's immediate pick after my Utah selection made me feel good about their valuations.

Anyway, I almost pulled it off, but that is for horseshoes and hand grenades, as they say. My ultimate plan was for Texas, UCLA, Washington, California, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Oregon State, New Mexico, Hawaii, Nevada, and Idaho. If we were going to 14, I would have taken Wyoming and petitioned for Montana. What can I say... I like maps.

BBB, you ran into the same issues that I did the first time we did one of these drafts. There are only so many quality programs to add in the west, and it gets more difficult when one or two other drafters poach a few teams in the west for themselves.

My league worked out in this draft because, for whatever reason, it looks like everyone else who wanted southern teams pretty much decided to start looking elsewhere after the early run on SEC teams. I was able to get good value by taking Clemson, VT, Syracuse, and GT in the rounds that I did, and didn't have to expand the geographical reach until we got to the point where the remaining options were very thin.

Another thing we can see after doing two of these is that major trades are difficult to make. Changing strategy in mid-draft and trying to make trades to "correct" into a second strategy might not work. Taking a big-name team early to use as trade bait also seems risky. I almost took Nebraska (instead of Clemson) to use as trade bait in this draft, but decided against it because I couldn't see anyone giving me a team of equal value that fit into what I was trying to do; IOW I thought that it was unlikely I could trade Nebraska for a team more valuable than Clemson, so I just took Clemson with that pick.

An FCS draft sounds interesting, though it would be difficult to do with 8 or 9 people drafting because FCS is not very deep with quality football programs and it's more limited regionally.

All but 1 of your schools is named after the state (as in non-directional), a state flagship or named after the city that it's located in (but each of those city schools are highly visible athletic programs). NW has an 8 Billion dollar endowment. There's no doubt in my mind that if your conference actually existed, both UMass and Buffalo would have huge fanbases. 'Cuse and Buffalo would compliment each other as in-state rivals. If these conferences were set today I'd bet that in 50 years this one would be killer. BBB is like the mirror of the west. I'm eastern biased though so I'd have to give it to Wedge. If Idaho sat in a huge metro like Umass I would think a little differently.

My conference on the other hand, is interesting. If they were all set today and each conference had a meeting of ADs, commissioners and presidents all of mine would be in the same room looking at each other confused like "um, what do we do now?" However I think I've provided the "smaller" schools with a close enough partner to have a rivalry which energizes the fan bases, as well as some heavy hitters which would really bring people out.

One interesting thing I tried to look at that I believe hasn't been mentioned in these drafts is the CLC rankings. In my own mind, the more apparel and gear that's sold, the more fans are likely to support the team...in a new conference? Who knows.. that's why I also tried to go for some big endowments and academic schools. I think I ended up with a pretty average conference because I took some top and bottom programs in almost every aspect.
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RE: Ideal Conference Draft - 2014
(03-19-2014 07:33 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  
(03-19-2014 05:27 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-19-2014 11:33 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(03-19-2014 11:21 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I will say, BBB and Wedge both put together very consistent leagues which is hard to do.

The BBB western league has a large but still geographically cohesive footprint.

Wedge has , with the exception of NWU, a league that is pretty coherently a North/South east coast league.

Wedge has a pretty darn good ACC.

I was late to the party on Oregon State. As everyone says, I was ready to pick them next before Zombiewoof took them. Since I was trying to take over the west, I really couldn't trade any of my teams to get an Oregon school without losing another major piece. I knew that I would have a hard time getting all of Texas, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon. Among those, I felt that Oregon State was the most undervalued potential replacement for one of those 4 schools. Oregon State actually has better academics that Oregon, and they are one Phil Knight or T. Boone Pickens away from being whatever they decide to be. I really thought I had a good chance at Oregon State with the 62nd pick, but Zombie took them at 59. If that pick would have landed, I would be ecstatic. However, I did not feel good about taking either Colorado or Utah one round earlier than I did, and their availability along with BYU's immediate pick after my Utah selection made me feel good about their valuations.

Anyway, I almost pulled it off, but that is for horseshoes and hand grenades, as they say. My ultimate plan was for Texas, UCLA, Washington, California, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Oregon State, New Mexico, Hawaii, Nevada, and Idaho. If we were going to 14, I would have taken Wyoming and petitioned for Montana. What can I say... I like maps.

BBB, you ran into the same issues that I did the first time we did one of these drafts. There are only so many quality programs to add in the west, and it gets more difficult when one or two other drafters poach a few teams in the west for themselves.

My league worked out in this draft because, for whatever reason, it looks like everyone else who wanted southern teams pretty much decided to start looking elsewhere after the early run on SEC teams. I was able to get good value by taking Clemson, VT, Syracuse, and GT in the rounds that I did, and didn't have to expand the geographical reach until we got to the point where the remaining options were very thin.

Another thing we can see after doing two of these is that major trades are difficult to make. Changing strategy in mid-draft and trying to make trades to "correct" into a second strategy might not work. Taking a big-name team early to use as trade bait also seems risky. I almost took Nebraska (instead of Clemson) to use as trade bait in this draft, but decided against it because I couldn't see anyone giving me a team of equal value that fit into what I was trying to do; IOW I thought that it was unlikely I could trade Nebraska for a team more valuable than Clemson, so I just took Clemson with that pick.

An FCS draft sounds interesting, though it would be difficult to do with 8 or 9 people drafting because FCS is not very deep with quality football programs and it's more limited regionally.

All but 1 of your schools is named after the state (as in non-directional), a state flagship or named after the city that it's located in (but each of those city schools are highly visible athletic programs). NW has an 8 Billion dollar endowment. There's no doubt in my mind that if your conference actually existed, both UMass and Buffalo would have huge fanbases. 'Cuse and Buffalo would compliment each other as in-state rivals. If these conferences were set today I'd bet that in 50 years this one would be killer. BBB is like the mirror of the west. I'm eastern biased though so I'd have to give it to Wedge. If Idaho sat in a huge metro like Umass I would think a little differently.

My conference on the other hand, is interesting. If they were all set today and each conference had a meeting of ADs, commissioners and presidents all of mine would be in the same room looking at each other confused like "um, what do we do now?" However I think I've provided the "smaller" schools with a close enough partner to have a rivalry which energizes the fan bases, as well as some heavy hitters which would really bring people out.

One interesting thing I tried to look at that I believe hasn't been mentioned in these drafts is the CLC rankings. In my own mind, the more apparel and gear that's sold, the more fans are likely to support the team...in a new conference? Who knows.. that's why I also tried to go for some big endowments and academic schools. I think I ended up with a pretty average conference because I took some top and bottom programs in almost every aspect.

Trades were hard to do there were some interesting talks, but to pull it off almost all would require multiple trading partners and that is difficult to make work out fairly.

Well I picked last in the first round and so I had a choice: fight for schools in the east or go west. I decided I wanted a hybrid PAC/B12 type conference that almost came about in 2010 because I figured the west would have less people picking schools there and for the first 7 rounds or so it was mostly just me and BBB picking there. My goal was to be contiguous, but Zombie took ASU 2 picks before I was going to take them so I threw that out since Phog had taken BYU a few picks earlier and I did not like any of the secondary schools in Utah or Arizona and it was too early for New Mexico/CSU/AFA.

Pretty happy with my conference, actually, besides the contiguous part. Easy east/west split. USC, Oklahoma and Oregon in FB, Kansas in BB, USC has 2 times more baseball championships than any other school, and Minnesota is a top power in hockey. Texas and California recruiting grounds. Five of the top 20 AD revenue schools. PST/CST slots so I can have games on TV all day on Saturdays. And Vegas is mine!
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@Jhawk, Yeah I had a few talks in trades and found it difficult as well. I really wanted UVA but Zombie and I couldn't really make it work. Everyone that I had that I really valued were also valued by others. Wisconsin just doesn't feel right for some reason but they've got a lot of fans, great academics, a high endowment and great athletics...Might just be a southern bias on my part.

I would probably split my 12 into a North/South set up with Mizzou in the south. That would set up like:

North: Michigan, Wisconsin, WVU, UConn, Cincy, Ohio.
South: Georgia, Missouri, ECU, Vanderbilt, Duke, Memphis.

Gives two very strong FB fanbases in each division plus ECU and WV complimenting in the middle. UConn/Vandy still solid. Duke/ECU, Vandy/Memphis, Cincy/Ohio/Michigan/Wisconsin games would all be rivalry or interest games in fb.

Of course that's only one aspect.. I could sit here and pimp endowments and some pretty good academics. Very strong basketball in the league as well.

Should we present the best case for our conferences or let others comment?
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Here's the FCS Football School list. If we have a draft, maybe just ten teams would be the best option :




School

Team

City

State

Conference

Founded

First Played


Abilene Christian Wildcats Abilene Texas Southland 1906 1919
Alabama A&M Bulldogs Normal Alabama SWAC 1890 1912
Alabama State Hornets Montgomery Alabama SWAC 1867 1901
Albany Great Danes Albany New York CAA 1844 1900
Alcorn State Braves Lorman Mississippi SWAC 1871 1922
Arkansas-Pine Bluff Golden Lions Pine Bluff Arkansas SWAC 1873 1923
Austin Peay Governors Clarksville Tennessee Ohio Valley 1927 1930
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats Daytona Beach Florida MEAC 1903 1925
Brown Bears Providence Rhode Island Ivy 1764 1878
Bryant Bulldogs Smithfield Rhode Island Northeast 1863 1998
Bucknell Bison Lewisburg Pennsylvania Patriot 1846 1883
Butler Bulldogs Indianapolis Indiana Pioneer 1855 1887
Cal Poly Mustangs San Luis Obispo California Big Sky 1901 1915
Campbell Fighting Camels Buies Creek North Carolina Pioneer 1887 2008
Central Arkansas Bears Conway Arkansas Southland 1907 1908
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils New Britain Connecticut Northeast 1849 1935
Charleston Southern Buccaneers North Charleston South Carolina Big South 1964 1991
Charlotte 49ers Charlotte North Carolina Independent 1946 2013
Chattanooga Mocs Chattanooga Tennessee Southern 1886 1899
The Citadel Bulldogs Charleston South Carolina Southern 1842 1905
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers Conway South Carolina Big South 1954 2003
Colgate Raiders Hamilton New York Patriot 1819 1890
Columbia Lions Manhattan New York Ivy 1754 1870
Cornell Big Red Ithaca New York Ivy 1865 1887
Dartmouth Big Green Hanover New Hampshire Ivy 1769 1881
Davidson Wildcats Davidson North Carolina Pioneer 1837 1896
Dayton Flyers Dayton Ohio Pioneer 1850 1905
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens Newark Delaware CAA 1743 1889
Delaware State Hornets Dover Delaware MEAC 1891 1924
Drake Bulldogs Des Moines Iowa Pioneer 1881 1893
Duquesne Dukes Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Northeast 1878 1891
Eastern Illinois Panthers Charleston Illinois Ohio Valley 1895 1899
Eastern Kentucky Colonels Richmond Kentucky Ohio Valley 1874 1909
Eastern Washington Eagles Cheney Washington Big Sky 1882 1901
Elon Phoenix Elon North Carolina CAA 1889 1909
Florida A&M Rattlers Tallahassee Florida MEAC 1887 1907
Fordham Rams The Bronx New York Patriot 1841 1881
Furman Paladins Greenville South Carolina Southern 1826 1889
Gardner–Webb Runnin' Bulldogs Boiling Springs North Carolina Big South 1905 1970
Georgetown Hoyas Georgetown Washington, D.C. Patriot 1789 1881
Grambling State Tigers Grambling Louisiana SWAC 1901 1928
Hampton Pirates Hampton Virginia MEAC 1868 1902
Harvard Crimson Cambridge Massachusetts Ivy 1636 1874
Holy Cross Crusaders Worcester Massachusetts Patriot 1843 1896
Houston Baptist Huskies Houston Texas Southland 1960 2013
Howard Bison Pleasant Plains Washington, D.C. MEAC 1867 1893
Idaho State Bengals Pocatello Idaho Big Sky 1901 1902
Illinois State Redbirds Normal Illinois Missouri Valley 1857 1887
Incarnate Word Cardinals San Antonio Texas Southland 1881 2009
Indiana State Sycamores Terre Haute Indiana Missouri Valley 1865 1896
Jackson State Tigers Jackson Mississippi SWAC 1877 1911
Jacksonville Dolphins Jacksonville Florida Pioneer 1934 1998
Jacksonville State Gamecocks Jacksonville Alabama Ohio Valley 1883 1904
James Madison Dukes Harrisonburg Virginia CAA 1908 1972
Lafayette Leopards Easton Pennsylvania Patriot 1826 1882
Lamar Cardinals Beaumont Texas Southland 1923 1923
Lehigh Mountain Hawks Bethlehem Pennsylvania Patriot 1865 1884
Liberty Flames Lynchburg Virginia Big South 1971 1973
Maine Black Bears Orono Maine CAA 1865 1892
Marist Red Foxes Poughkeepsie New York Pioneer 1929 1965
McNeese State Cowboys Lake Charles Louisiana Southland 1939 1950
Mercer Bears Macon Georgia Southern 1833 2013[1]
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils Itta Bena Mississippi SWAC 1946 1953
Missouri State Bears Springfield Missouri Missouri Valley 1905 1909
Monmouth Hawks West Long Branch New Jersey Big South 1933 1993
Montana Grizzlies Missoula Montana Big Sky 1893 1897
Montana State Bobcats Bozeman Montana Big Sky 1893 1897
Morehead State Eagles Morehead Kentucky Pioneer 1887 1924
Morgan State Bears Baltimore Maryland MEAC 1867 1899
Murray State Racers Murray Kentucky Ohio Valley 1922 1924
New Hampshire Wildcats Durham New Hampshire CAA 1866 1893
Nicholls State Colonels Thibodaux Louisiana Southland 1948 1972
Norfolk State Spartans Norfolk Virginia MEAC 1935 1938
North Carolina A&T Aggies Greensboro North Carolina MEAC 1891 1901
North Carolina Central Eagles Durham North Carolina MEAC 1909 1922
North Dakota UND Grand Forks North Dakota Big Sky 1883 1894
North Dakota State Bison Fargo North Dakota Missouri Valley 1890 1894
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks Flagstaff Arizona Big Sky 1899 1915
Northern Colorado Bears Greeley Colorado Big Sky 1889 1893
Northern Iowa Panthers Cedar Falls Iowa Missouri Valley 1876 1895
Northwestern State Demons Natchitoches Louisiana Southland 1884 1907
Pennsylvania Quakers Philadelphia Pennsylvania Ivy 1740 1876
Portland State Vikings Portland Oregon Big Sky 1946 1947
Prairie View A&M Panthers Prairie View Texas SWAC 1876 1907
Presbyterian Blue Hose Clinton South Carolina Big South 1880 1913
Princeton Tigers Princeton New Jersey Ivy 1746 1869
Rhode Island Rams Kingston Rhode Island CAA 1888 1895
Richmond Spiders Richmond Virginia CAA 1830 1881
Robert Morris Colonials Moon Township Pennsylvania Northeast 1921 1994
Sacramento State Hornets Sacramento California Big Sky 1947 1954
Sacred Heart Pioneers Fairfield Connecticut Northeast 1963 1991
Saint Francis Red Flash Loretto Pennsylvania Northeast 1847 1909
Sam Houston State Bearkats Huntsville Texas Southland 1879 1912
Samford Bulldogs Birmingham Alabama Southern 1841 1902
San Diego Toreros San Diego California Pioneer 1949 1956
Savannah State Tigers Savannah Georgia MEAC 1890 1915
South Carolina State Bulldogs Orangeburg South Carolina MEAC 1896 1907
South Dakota Coyotes Vermillion South Dakota Missouri Valley 1862 1889
South Dakota State Jackrabbits Brookings South Dakota Missouri Valley 1881 1889
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks Cape Girardeau Missouri Ohio Valley 1873 1902
Southeastern Louisiana Lions Hammond Louisiana Southland 1925 1930
Southern Jaguars Baton Rouge Louisiana SWAC 1880 1918
Southern Illinois Salukis Carbondale Illinois Missouri Valley 1869 1913
Southern Utah Thunderbirds Cedar City Utah Big Sky 1897 1963
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks Nacogdoches Texas Southland 1921 1923
Stetson Hatters DeLand Florida Pioneer 1883 2013[2]
Stony Brook Seawolves Stony Brook New York CAA 1957 1969
Tennessee State Tigers Nashville Tennessee Ohio Valley 1912 1916
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles Cookeville Tennessee Ohio Valley 1912 1917
Texas Southern Tigers Houston Texas SWAC 1947 1947
Towson Tigers Towson Maryland CAA 1866 1968
UC Davis Aggies Davis California Big Sky 1905 1915
UT Martin Skyhawks Martin Tennessee Ohio Valley 1900 1953
Valparaiso Crusaders Valparaiso Indiana Pioneer 1859 1919
Villanova Wildcats Villanova Pennsylvania CAA 1842 1894
VMI Keydets Lexington Virginia Southern 1839 1873
Wagner Seahawks Staten Island New York Northeast 1883 1927
Weber State Wildcats Ogden Utah Big Sky 1889 1962
Western Carolina Catamounts Cullowhee North Carolina Southern 1889 1931
Western Illinois Leathernecks Macomb Illinois Missouri Valley 1899 1903
William & Mary Tribe Williamsburg Virginia CAA 1693 1893
Wofford Terriers Spartanburg South Carolina Southern 1854 1889
Yale Bulldogs New Haven Connecticut Ivy 1701 1872
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(03-19-2014 02:32 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  whipped up this lil' gem.

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Nice work!

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First of all, thanks 10th for the updated graphic!

To outline my thought process, I had a hybrid approach - and not in the sense of mixing basketball-only schools with football schools. 04-cheers

I tried to balance several factors:

1. Value - I couldn't pass on a high-value program like Ohio State for a start. Getting the 2nd most popular brand in Texas was also too valuable to pass up, even if it created potential for geographic issues later.

2. Brand - It takes time to build brand equity, and I tried where possible to get schools with strong brands. OSU is as blue-blood as it comes in football, and Texas A&M comes from football-crazed Texas and has a strong following. While they're not as high-profile as they were in the 80s and 90s, BYU has a decent football brand. Kentucky and Indiana are basketball blue bloods, and Michigan State is a step below and also has some history in football.

3. Alumni Base - the more, the better, so I valued big schools, preferably those with a long history which would have a lot of alumni (and their descendants, who may follow their parents and grandparents' schools as secondary or tertiary teams) not only in their home areas, but spread around the country.

4. Contiguous Geography - As much as possible, I tried to keep a sensible footprint. One challenge I had as I went on was finding valuable neighbors for Texas A&M. Since I wasn't foreseeing being able to develop a coherent multi-region conference, I did take BYU not as a direct neighbor for A&M, but because it has a somewhat national appeal due to its religious affiliation. SMU does give Texas A&M one nearby historic rival, but more importantly having two schools in Texas assures me of being able to get all of the non-TX schools into the state once a year for recruiting exposure.

5. Football and Basketball appeal - I wanted to have good matchups for both football and basketball. I did not take baseball or any other sports specifically into consideration.

Obviously my conference is a mixed success. I do have a good B1G-centric base, which gives me some established brands and a large alumni base. My clear marquee football game would be OSU/aTm - I'd like to have gotten more depth in attractive football brands, but I wanted to ensure getting at least one top-tier hoops brand, so I took Kentucky in a slot where I could have gone for another attractive football brand like Nebraska. Having a base in an area with a lot of alumni and history among schools does give potential for decent matchups like OSU/Michigan State, and Pitt could also be a natural rival for OSU despite a lack of history. Basketball is pretty strong with UK, IU, and MSU, as well as Ohio State, Pitt and Illinois.
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Phog, If I was a fan/alumn of one of those schools (and this realignment happened tomorrow) I think I'd show up to games just out of sheer curiosity. There's a few interesting match ups that you rarely see. You make good points too.

Also as far as the FCS draft, I think i'll sit this one out. Not for lack of interest though! It's just getting to be crunch time in school..
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Medic, perhaps those of us interested in the FCS draft can start a new thread and do it next week. If most of you are like me, you'll be flipping between a lot of CBS/Turner channels the next few days! Great work on that list of schools and their vitals. Very helpful.
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"Breaking News - "The Dude" is reporting that West Virginia is poised to leave Beta's league for BBB's league. Multiple well-placed sources indicate that despite the challenges that travel will present, WVU is poised to make this move prior to the start of the 2014 football season. They've retained a top-notch east coast law firm to help them navigate the waters of exit fees and GoRs."

Aside from having been a fun exercise, it's nice that our little game didn't have to deal with a deluge of such rumors, nor pissing matches between fanbases about who does and does not deserve to be included in Conference X.

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RE: Ideal Conference Draft - 2014
(04-16-2014 09:21 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  "Breaking News - "The Dude" is reporting that West Virginia is poised to leave Beta's league for BBB's league. Multiple well-placed sources indicate that despite the challenges that travel will present, WVU is poised to make this move prior to the start of the 2014 football season. They've retained a top-notch east coast law firm to help them navigate the waters of exit fees and GoRs."

Aside from having been a fun exercise, it's nice that our little game didn't have to deal with a deluge of such rumors, nor pissing matches between fanbases about who does and does not deserve to be included in Conference X.

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Ha! Now that would the ultimate in realignment madness... create rumors for your fantasy conferences!
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RE: Ideal Conference Draft - 2014
(04-16-2014 10:36 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 09:21 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  "Breaking News - "The Dude" is reporting that West Virginia is poised to leave Beta's league for BBB's league. Multiple well-placed sources indicate that despite the challenges that travel will present, WVU is poised to make this move prior to the start of the 2014 football season. They've retained a top-notch east coast law firm to help them navigate the waters of exit fees and GoRs."

Aside from having been a fun exercise, it's nice that our little game didn't have to deal with a deluge of such rumors, nor pissing matches between fanbases about who does and does not deserve to be included in Conference X.

04-cheers

Ha! Now that would the ultimate in realignment madness... create rumors for your fantasy conferences!

I'm glad you caught on there BBB. I got hooked by it a bit. I thought Phog was giving out an actual rumor related to WVU more than to the fantasy draft. But I agree with him about the CS&CR board. I suspect things stay very quiet until the cases are settled. There are too many variables at play to do anything else. But rumors surrounding the fantasy conferences would be a hoot and would likely cause a big stir on the internet search engine queries. And that would be epic!
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RE: Ideal Conference Draft - 2014
(04-16-2014 10:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:36 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 09:21 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  "Breaking News - "The Dude" is reporting that West Virginia is poised to leave Beta's league for BBB's league. Multiple well-placed sources indicate that despite the challenges that travel will present, WVU is poised to make this move prior to the start of the 2014 football season. They've retained a top-notch east coast law firm to help them navigate the waters of exit fees and GoRs."

Aside from having been a fun exercise, it's nice that our little game didn't have to deal with a deluge of such rumors, nor pissing matches between fanbases about who does and does not deserve to be included in Conference X.

04-cheers

Ha! Now that would the ultimate in realignment madness... create rumors for your fantasy conferences!

I'm glad you caught on there BBB. I got hooked by it a bit. I thought Phog was giving out an actual rumor related to WVU more than to the fantasy draft. But I agree with him about the CS&CR board. I suspect things stay very quiet until the cases are settled. There are too many variables at play to do anything else. But rumors surrounding the fantasy conferences would be a hoot and would likely cause a big stir on the internet search engine queries. And that would be epic!

"Oregon and Oregon State leave the PAC12 and are replaced with... TEXAS and RICE!"

Actually, my conference headline would be nothing compared to some of the other conferences.
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