(01-01-2014 06:52 PM)Savacool Wrote:  CUSA as you all know in the Belch is now with its new members the Sunbelt 2 Conference and the Belch is now the Southland 2.

Hey buttplug, why is it I never see you posting your crap over at the C-USA forum?

(01-01-2014 04:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted.

It's about Western to the extent that Western fans are judging us. It's about our coaching changes in the context of our likelihood to fall-back to mediocrity at the first hard blow.

And the truth is that we have been the best team in the Sun Belt over the last 3-years despite chaos and there isn't much question about that.

As for respect, there are not many in this conference that I don't respect. I've respected USA since our homecoming last year. I respect Georgia State after their effort in our game this year. Anyone in this conference who doesn't respect Troy is foolish. ULL goes without saying. WKU has been an incredibly tight series. ULM is a giant-killer. Texas State will be a power.

I would argue that point the two prior years yes ASU was the best team in the league but this year I say not. Even though we shared the league title and beat ASU I can't honestly say we were the best team in the league this year. If you are going strictly on championships then I would say UL is the best because we beat you and shared the title. If you are going strictly on body of work I would say several teams could state that claim to the best in the SBC.

(01-01-2014 07:28 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted.

It's about Western to the extent that Western fans are judging us. It's about our coaching changes in the context of our likelihood to fall-back to mediocrity at the first hard blow.

And the truth is that we have been the best team in the Sun Belt over the last 3-years despite chaos and there isn't much question about that.

As for respect, there are not many in this conference that I don't respect. I've respected USA since our homecoming last year. I respect Georgia State after their effort in our game this year. Anyone in this conference who doesn't respect Troy is foolish. ULL goes without saying. WKU has been an incredibly tight series. ULM is a giant-killer. Texas State will be a power.

I would argue that point the two prior years yes ASU was the best team in the league but this year I say not. Even though we shared the league title and beat ASU I can't honestly say we were the best team in the league this year. If you are going strictly on championships then I would say UL is the best because we beat you and shared the title. If you are going strictly on body of work I would say several teams could state that claim to the best in the SBC.

I was referring to the entire three-year period. We are both Champions this year. There is no lesser or greater Co-Champs, they are both the same. ULL beat us on our home field convincingly this year so can legitimately claim the head-to-head comparison and I'm not going to complain about it. But you can't argue with the 3-peat either.

(01-01-2014 04:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 02:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I love how ASU fans think they are all of a sudden this juggernaut of a program. But make no mistake about it...if CUSA called today with a invite ASU would be leaving the SBC.

Now back to the Juggernaut of a program called ASU..

lets not forget ASU had a winning record only 4 times in the past 20 seasons. Now I expect to see but we won the conference the past 3 years and went bowling the last 3 years and had 3 years straight of winning football. I also expect to see, well we had a awful coach before and that was the reason...

if you don't want to count your past then the only year that counts is this one....

if that's the case it looks like ASU is moving back toward the norm than taking that next step to beating the Bama's, of college football and getting in the playoffs.

We chose to move up to FBS when it was probably not the best situation to do so. We dealt with twenty years of Mediocrity along the way, but we're finally making progress.

We consider those twenty years simply paying the required dues of being an FBS member.

So other programs don't get the same benefit of having bad years in the past...or even a couple down years in the present? I guess the only team that can improve is ASU.

Again I will point out that with a 7-5 (7-6 or 8-5) record and in those 3 years ASU has not even come CLOSE to beating a BCS school...

ASU is just as likely to fall back to losing as the FUs or any other program losing today are to start winning.

And I'd like to point out that we cant all be spoiled with games against Kentucky that are extremely winnable. Five of our last 6 BCS Opponents were ranked teams. Three of those 6 finished in the top 10 during those years, two played in BCS Bowls, and one is playing for the national title. How would WKU against those teams?

This year is exactly what it is. A year in which we replaced an all world QB, and most of our defense while breaking in our 3rd coach in as many years. 7-5 is very similar to what I expected.

All I can say is to schedule games you can win, isn't that the goal? Hey we all lose key players, every year, and that's the point....

none of us are good enough or stocked piled enough talent to know what we are getting next season much less 2 or 3 years down the road.

So the point I was making, and made, ASU is not above any other schools as a football program and could just as easily fall back to your 4-8 ways as to take the next step. So what reason would ASU fans have to "not respect" any other program?

When we lose we all have excuses to why it happened

We believe we can win those games. Yes, there is some bad luck involved, no one expected Missouri and Auburn to be that good. But the philosophy of our administration is that we believe we can beat any team in FBS football...so if they want to play, bring it on.

(01-01-2014 07:28 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted.

It's about Western to the extent that Western fans are judging us. It's about our coaching changes in the context of our likelihood to fall-back to mediocrity at the first hard blow.

And the truth is that we have been the best team in the Sun Belt over the last 3-years despite chaos and there isn't much question about that.

As for respect, there are not many in this conference that I don't respect. I've respected USA since our homecoming last year. I respect Georgia State after their effort in our game this year. Anyone in this conference who doesn't respect Troy is foolish. ULL goes without saying. WKU has been an incredibly tight series. ULM is a giant-killer. Texas State will be a power.

I would argue that point the two prior years yes ASU was the best team in the league but this year I say not. Even though we shared the league title and beat ASU I can't honestly say we were the best team in the league this year. If you are going strictly on championships then I would say UL is the best because we beat you and shared the title. If you are going strictly on body of work I would say several teams could state that claim to the best in the SBC.

Over the last three years, we have the exact same overall record. We're both very good teams...that's for sure.

Admit it, it must be nice when you read other fans comments on games against you and they seem worried. I got pure joy out of a thread on the Texas State board the other day in which their fans discussed how they had two likely home losses to our teams next year.

After twenty years of mediocrity for both our programs...its nice to get some semblance of respect.

Next step for both ASU and ULL involves beating our respective MWC opponents, and at least scaring our AQ opponents.

(01-01-2014 07:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 07:28 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted.

It's about Western to the extent that Western fans are judging us. It's about our coaching changes in the context of our likelihood to fall-back to mediocrity at the first hard blow.

And the truth is that we have been the best team in the Sun Belt over the last 3-years despite chaos and there isn't much question about that.

As for respect, there are not many in this conference that I don't respect. I've respected USA since our homecoming last year. I respect Georgia State after their effort in our game this year. Anyone in this conference who doesn't respect Troy is foolish. ULL goes without saying. WKU has been an incredibly tight series. ULM is a giant-killer. Texas State will be a power.

I would argue that point the two prior years yes ASU was the best team in the league but this year I say not. Even though we shared the league title and beat ASU I can't honestly say we were the best team in the league this year. If you are going strictly on championships then I would say UL is the best because we beat you and shared the title. If you are going strictly on body of work I would say several teams could state that claim to the best in the SBC.

Over the last three years, we have the exact same overall record. We're both very good teams...that's for sure.

Admit it, it must be nice when you read other fans comments on games against you and they seem worried. I got pure joy out of a thread on the Texas State board the other day in which their fans discussed how they had two likely home losses to our teams next year.

After twenty years of mediocrity for both our programs...its nice to get some semblance of respect.

Next step for both ASU and ULL involves beating our respective MWC opponents, and at least scaring our AQ opponents.

I agree, I don't know what the future holds for our programs but whatever it might be I hope its together. Just my opinion.

(01-01-2014 07:49 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 07:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 07:28 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted.

It's about Western to the extent that Western fans are judging us. It's about our coaching changes in the context of our likelihood to fall-back to mediocrity at the first hard blow.

And the truth is that we have been the best team in the Sun Belt over the last 3-years despite chaos and there isn't much question about that.

As for respect, there are not many in this conference that I don't respect. I've respected USA since our homecoming last year. I respect Georgia State after their effort in our game this year. Anyone in this conference who doesn't respect Troy is foolish. ULL goes without saying. WKU has been an incredibly tight series. ULM is a giant-killer. Texas State will be a power.

I would argue that point the two prior years yes ASU was the best team in the league but this year I say not. Even though we shared the league title and beat ASU I can't honestly say we were the best team in the league this year. If you are going strictly on championships then I would say UL is the best because we beat you and shared the title. If you are going strictly on body of work I would say several teams could state that claim to the best in the SBC.

Over the last three years, we have the exact same overall record. We're both very good teams...that's for sure.

Admit it, it must be nice when you read other fans comments on games against you and they seem worried. I got pure joy out of a thread on the Texas State board the other day in which their fans discussed how they had two likely home losses to our teams next year.

After twenty years of mediocrity for both our programs...its nice to get some semblance of respect.

Next step for both ASU and ULL involves beating our respective MWC opponents, and at least scaring our AQ opponents.

I agree, I don't know what the future holds for our programs but whatever it might be I hope its together. Just my opinion.

Don't Worry...I am pretty sure we are stuck together for now.

(01-01-2014 07:49 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 07:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 07:28 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted.

It's about Western to the extent that Western fans are judging us. It's about our coaching changes in the context of our likelihood to fall-back to mediocrity at the first hard blow.

And the truth is that we have been the best team in the Sun Belt over the last 3-years despite chaos and there isn't much question about that.

As for respect, there are not many in this conference that I don't respect. I've respected USA since our homecoming last year. I respect Georgia State after their effort in our game this year. Anyone in this conference who doesn't respect Troy is foolish. ULL goes without saying. WKU has been an incredibly tight series. ULM is a giant-killer. Texas State will be a power.

I would argue that point the two prior years yes ASU was the best team in the league but this year I say not. Even though we shared the league title and beat ASU I can't honestly say we were the best team in the league this year. If you are going strictly on championships then I would say UL is the best because we beat you and shared the title. If you are going strictly on body of work I would say several teams could state that claim to the best in the SBC.

Over the last three years, we have the exact same overall record. We're both very good teams...that's for sure.

Admit it, it must be nice when you read other fans comments on games against you and they seem worried. I got pure joy out of a thread on the Texas State board the other day in which their fans discussed how they had two likely home losses to our teams next year.

After twenty years of mediocrity for both our programs...its nice to get some semblance of respect.

Next step for both ASU and ULL involves beating our respective MWC opponents, and at least scaring our AQ opponents.

I agree, I don't know what the future holds for our programs but whatever it might be I hope its together. Just my opinion.

Do y'all need some privacy?

(01-01-2014 07:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We chose to move up to FBS when it was probably not the best situation to do so. We dealt with twenty years of Mediocrity along the way, but we're finally making progress.

We consider those twenty years simply paying the required dues of being an FBS member.

So other programs don't get the same benefit of having bad years in the past...or even a couple down years in the present? I guess the only team that can improve is ASU.

Again I will point out that with a 7-5 (7-6 or 8-5) record and in those 3 years ASU has not even come CLOSE to beating a BCS school...

ASU is just as likely to fall back to losing as the FUs or any other program losing today are to start winning.

And I'd like to point out that we cant all be spoiled with games against Kentucky that are extremely winnable. Five of our last 6 BCS Opponents were ranked teams. Three of those 6 finished in the top 10 during those years, two played in BCS Bowls, and one is playing for the national title. How would WKU against those teams?

This year is exactly what it is. A year in which we replaced an all world QB, and most of our defense while breaking in our 3rd coach in as many years. 7-5 is very similar to what I expected.

All I can say is to schedule games you can win, isn't that the goal? Hey we all lose key players, every year, and that's the point....

none of us are good enough or stocked piled enough talent to know what we are getting next season much less 2 or 3 years down the road.

So the point I was making, and made, ASU is not above any other schools as a football program and could just as easily fall back to your 4-8 ways as to take the next step. So what reason would ASU fans have to "not respect" any other program?

When we lose we all have excuses to why it happened

We believe we can win those games. Yes, there is some bad luck involved, no one expected Missouri and Auburn to be that good. But the philosophy of our administration is that we believe we can beat any team in FBS football...so if they want to play, bring it on.

But that's not reality because ASU CAN'T beat anyone in a BCS conference or at least you haven't shown you can.

Illinois beat ASU by over 2 tds
Virginia Tech by 19
Oregon had ASU by around 50 in the first half before putting in 3rd and 4th team players
Nebraska beat you by 29
Auburn by 29
Missouri won by over 3tds
Auburn by 26
Nebraska by 29

maybe ASU should stick to the bottom feeders of the BCS...at least you stayed close to Iowa

So don't blame other schools for scheduling games where they have a fighting chance of actually winning

(01-01-2014 08:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  But that's not reality because ASU CAN'T beat anyone in a BCS conference or at least you haven't shown you can.

Yeah well, we've proven we can win an FBS conference championship (or three) and a bowl game. Not everyone can say that.

We have proven we can beat Texas A&M at Kyle Field and not everyone can say that. Our closest other shot was probably the Longhorns, we came close in Austin.

ULM has been slaying giants, they just haven't combined it with three conference championships. But they could at some point. So I would recommend they keep trying to slay giants.

We've got the championships but haven't knocked off as many big boys as they have. But we will keep working on that combination too.

(01-01-2014 08:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 07:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So other programs don't get the same benefit of having bad years in the past...or even a couple down years in the present? I guess the only team that can improve is ASU.

Again I will point out that with a 7-5 (7-6 or 8-5) record and in those 3 years ASU has not even come CLOSE to beating a BCS school...

ASU is just as likely to fall back to losing as the FUs or any other program losing today are to start winning.

And I'd like to point out that we cant all be spoiled with games against Kentucky that are extremely winnable. Five of our last 6 BCS Opponents were ranked teams. Three of those 6 finished in the top 10 during those years, two played in BCS Bowls, and one is playing for the national title. How would WKU against those teams?

This year is exactly what it is. A year in which we replaced an all world QB, and most of our defense while breaking in our 3rd coach in as many years. 7-5 is very similar to what I expected.

All I can say is to schedule games you can win, isn't that the goal? Hey we all lose key players, every year, and that's the point....

none of us are good enough or stocked piled enough talent to know what we are getting next season much less 2 or 3 years down the road.

So the point I was making, and made, ASU is not above any other schools as a football program and could just as easily fall back to your 4-8 ways as to take the next step. So what reason would ASU fans have to "not respect" any other program?

When we lose we all have excuses to why it happened

We believe we can win those games. Yes, there is some bad luck involved, no one expected Missouri and Auburn to be that good. But the philosophy of our administration is that we believe we can beat any team in FBS football...so if they want to play, bring it on.

But that's not reality because ASU CAN'T beat anyone in a BCS conference or at least you haven't shown you can.

Illinois beat ASU by over 2 tds
Virginia Tech by 19
Oregon had ASU by around 50 in the first half before putting in 3rd and 4th team players
Nebraska beat you by 29
Auburn by 29
Missouri won by over 3tds
Auburn by 26
Nebraska by 29

maybe ASU should stick to the bottom feeders of the BCS...at least you stayed close to Iowa

So don't blame other schools for scheduling games where they have a fighting chance of actually winning

Keep in mind that we led Missouri late in the 3rd quarter. We get them in Jonesboro in two years, we'll see how it goes then.

For us though, playing the bottom feeders is a nice idea, but its not really practical. The only way we would play such teams is for a true home and home, and I don't see any of them lining up to play us.

We play mid to high level AQ's because they are more willing to give us the home game, or they have the high amount of cash necessary to get a buy game. And yes, we truly believe we will beat every team we will play. We could play Alabama and both our coaches and administrators will claim we are going to win.

We've got what should be a decent to average Tennessee team next year for a buy game, and start a home and home with what should be a top 20 Miami team. I expect and believe we can win either of those games, but we'll see how the team looks first.

I understand the "we truly believe" especially players and coaches. If they didn't I wouldn't want them as my coach or players a competitor believes they are the best and that's the way it should be.

Playing the top dogs close is ok but at the end of the day you will not win that game often...if ever. Winning is always a lot more fun and to get ranked all of our schools need to win OOC games. Early losses makes it very hard to get ranked and it doesn't matter if it's Bama, LSU, Ohio St or any other top dog.