(12-27-2013 12:01 PM)bigredmachine Wrote:  Seriously, wouldn't the MAC schools be better off if they dropped down to FCS. By the way, if they did that, they would still lose. The MAC sucks.

Wow quite negative today from everyone.

Our teams can beat quality teams throughout the season and we are on part with the rest of the country but we stumble in the bowl games and everyone thinks we should downgrade.

wow. get over yourselves.

(12-27-2013 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And this won't do a damned thing to fan interest and next to nothing for recruiting.

Agreed. The only people that will remember or notice this are on this board. The bowls are a nice distraction that mean next to nothing.

(12-27-2013 12:03 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 12:01 PM)bigredmachine Wrote:  Seriously, wouldn't the MAC schools be better off if they dropped down to FCS. By the way, if they did that, they would still lose. The MAC sucks.

Wow quite negative today from everyone.

Our teams can beat quality teams throughout the season and we are on part with the rest of the country but we stumble in the bowl games and everyone thinks we should downgrade.

wow. get over yourselves.

Can you list off the signature OOC wins the MAC had this season? How many against teams with winning records?

I think the most disappointing part is that we were all thinking we'd get a big payday from NIU's BCS run, and when that didn't work out we thought we'd at least do well in our bowls to sort of make up for it. Neither of those things happened, so it just makes this feel like a 'lost' season compared to 2012.

(12-27-2013 10:34 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:43 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 04:48 AM)JSF Wrote:  What damage? People will forget by February. This is a molehill.

True, but this does impact recruiting, and frankly, fan interest.

ESPN was giving the MAC some good promotion for these games, and the MAC blew it.

You're clueless. ESPN was giving promotion because the games were on their frickin' channel!

Of course. Nevertheless, they could have pushed Pitt more than BG...but they didn't.

Quote:And this won't do a damned thing to fan interest and next to nothing for recruiting.

Then it's a missed opportunity.

And as usual you call me clueless when you're ignorant of every aspect of this. Did you even see the game bandwagon tommy? Did you get someone to explain the rules to you? Now, shouldn't you run away again?

Yeah asshat...I was actually at the game. You know...like an actual fan of the program and not some yahoo casual observer making ignorant assumptions with next to no valid information whatsoever. And sorry I "ran away" from you racists, homophobes and bigots....what, not having fun anymore in your echo chamber?

(12-27-2013 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 10:34 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:43 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 04:48 AM)JSF Wrote:  What damage? People will forget by February. This is a molehill.

True, but this does impact recruiting, and frankly, fan interest.

ESPN was giving the MAC some good promotion for these games, and the MAC blew it.

You're clueless. ESPN was giving promotion because the games were on their frickin' channel!

Of course. Nevertheless, they could have pushed Pitt more than BG...but they didn't.

Quote:And this won't do a damned thing to fan interest and next to nothing for recruiting.

Then it's a missed opportunity.

And as usual you call me clueless when you're ignorant of every aspect of this. Did you even see the game bandwagon tommy? Did you get someone to explain the rules to you? Now, shouldn't you run away again?

Yeah asshat...I was actually at the game. You know...like an actual fan of the program

Wow, I'm so impressed. Like I said, must have missed you last year. And the years before that. Bandwagon.

Quote: casual observer making ignorant assumptions with next to no valid information whatsoever.

Actually, that's exactly what you are.

Quote: And sorry I "ran away"

We're not.

(12-27-2013 01:27 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Our champion lost to a mediocre ACC team, our near-BCS buster lost to a good MWC team, and our other two supposedly good teams were run out of the stadium by middle of the pack G5 schools. What gives? I guess you could partially attribute BG's struggles to losing Clawson, but we still had some pretty decent teams get smoked. Were they beating up on Miami, UMass, WMU, and EMU all along and making us think they were better than they are?

Fortunately I still think Ball State is going to beat stAte, especially with Lembo still around. However, from now until early January the bowl standings will say 'MAC: 0-4' for everyone to see. A win over the Sun Belt champ won't repair the damage done, this is a black eye on our conference going into the CFP era. Of course this isn't the end of the world, I still take pride in our conference and all we've done this year (Lynch's Heisman finish and Mack's accomplishments, among others), but obviously frustrating to see.

Don't count us out yet. We may not have a head coach for the game, but its not like we had one either of the last two years.

That, and I know our players would love the opportunity to give Thompson a win on his way out.

(12-27-2013 04:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 01:27 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Our champion lost to a mediocre ACC team, our near-BCS buster lost to a good MWC team, and our other two supposedly good teams were run out of the stadium by middle of the pack G5 schools. What gives? I guess you could partially attribute BG's struggles to losing Clawson, but we still had some pretty decent teams get smoked. Were they beating up on Miami, UMass, WMU, and EMU all along and making us think they were better than they are?

Fortunately I still think Ball State is going to beat stAte, especially with Lembo still around. However, from now until early January the bowl standings will say 'MAC: 0-4' for everyone to see. A win over the Sun Belt champ won't repair the damage done, this is a black eye on our conference going into the CFP era. Of course this isn't the end of the world, I still take pride in our conference and all we've done this year (Lynch's Heisman finish and Mack's accomplishments, among others), but obviously frustrating to see.

Don't count us out yet. We may not have a head coach for the game, but its not like we had one either of the last two years.

That, and I know our players would love the opportunity to give Thompson a win on his way out.

I'm definitely giving stAte a chance, but I think BSU has too much firepower for the Red Wolves to handle. They'll put up a good fight for sure, though it'll depend on which team shows up. The stAte team that was killed by Memphis would get killed by the Cardinals.

(12-27-2013 04:39 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 04:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 01:27 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Our champion lost to a mediocre ACC team, our near-BCS buster lost to a good MWC team, and our other two supposedly good teams were run out of the stadium by middle of the pack G5 schools. What gives? I guess you could partially attribute BG's struggles to losing Clawson, but we still had some pretty decent teams get smoked. Were they beating up on Miami, UMass, WMU, and EMU all along and making us think they were better than they are?

Fortunately I still think Ball State is going to beat stAte, especially with Lembo still around. However, from now until early January the bowl standings will say 'MAC: 0-4' for everyone to see. A win over the Sun Belt champ won't repair the damage done, this is a black eye on our conference going into the CFP era. Of course this isn't the end of the world, I still take pride in our conference and all we've done this year (Lynch's Heisman finish and Mack's accomplishments, among others), but obviously frustrating to see.

Don't count us out yet. We may not have a head coach for the game, but its not like we had one either of the last two years.

That, and I know our players would love the opportunity to give Thompson a win on his way out.

I'm definitely giving stAte a chance, but I think BSU has too much firepower for the Red Wolves to handle. They'll put up a good fight for sure, though it'll depend on which team shows up. The stAte team that was killed by Memphis would get killed by the Cardinals.

At the same time, the stAte team that led Missouri for three quarters would probably beat Ball State handily.

I think it will fall somewhere in between.

(12-27-2013 04:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 04:39 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 04:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 01:27 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Our champion lost to a mediocre ACC team, our near-BCS buster lost to a good MWC team, and our other two supposedly good teams were run out of the stadium by middle of the pack G5 schools. What gives? I guess you could partially attribute BG's struggles to losing Clawson, but we still had some pretty decent teams get smoked. Were they beating up on Miami, UMass, WMU, and EMU all along and making us think they were better than they are?

Fortunately I still think Ball State is going to beat stAte, especially with Lembo still around. However, from now until early January the bowl standings will say 'MAC: 0-4' for everyone to see. A win over the Sun Belt champ won't repair the damage done, this is a black eye on our conference going into the CFP era. Of course this isn't the end of the world, I still take pride in our conference and all we've done this year (Lynch's Heisman finish and Mack's accomplishments, among others), but obviously frustrating to see.

Don't count us out yet. We may not have a head coach for the game, but its not like we had one either of the last two years.

That, and I know our players would love the opportunity to give Thompson a win on his way out.

I'm definitely giving stAte a chance, but I think BSU has too much firepower for the Red Wolves to handle. They'll put up a good fight for sure, though it'll depend on which team shows up. The stAte team that was killed by Memphis would get killed by the Cardinals.

At the same time, the stAte team that led Missouri for three quarters would probably beat Ball State handily.

I think it will fall somewhere in between.

I see stAte running the ball a lot and having a ton of success. The OC at ASU is a follower of Malzahn and will run malzahns Hunh system. Thompson will have the defense ready to play. Keep showing your team the Memphis game. LoL that was early in the season!

My rule of thumb. Always bet against the team losing its coach and double up if the interim has been told his services are not required after the bowl.

I just don't think the urgency will be there and playing 5 good games after 7 bad to meh games isn't a big enough trend to spur me to optimisim. I'm going because its a fun trip and I love watch the Red Wolves play, I just don't expect a lot from them.

I don't think any team that reaches the post season make the conference look bad. Its the teams that go 0-12,1-11 and 2-10 multiple years in a row that bring the conference down.

(12-27-2013 06:03 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  I don't think any team that reaches the post season make the conference look bad. Its the teams that go 0-12,1-11 and 2-10 multiple years in a row that bring the conference down.

totally agree!

(12-27-2013 06:03 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  I don't think any team that reaches the post season make the conference look bad. Its the teams that go 0-12,1-11 and 2-10 multiple years in a row that bring the conference down.

Only for those with an inferiority complex.

Keeping coaches a little longer would help. Look at Arkansas State they have half the revenue of most MAC athletic departments . Somehow they pay their football coaches better .

Dear OhioBobcatJohn and bobcat backer,
So, playing in a bowl game on national television, and your school gets blown out by twenty points or more, isn't bad for your league? I think you need to re-evaluate your positions. People who do not normally follow the MAC are not going to know about a 2-10 team in your league. Anyway, you can't have perfect balance because then everyone would be 6-6.
Our league will not be thought of as one of the better leagues when you are 0-4 in bowl games so far.

(12-27-2013 06:03 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  I don't think any team that reaches the post season make the conference look bad. Its the teams that go 0-12,1-11 and 2-10 multiple years in a row that bring the conference down.

The Bowl is normally looked at as an indicator of a program's direction.
Collectively, it would make sense for Conference performance.

So a team getting drilled in September four weeks in a row and going 0-8 against MAC is going to Wow the recruits in January more than a team that had a winning record on the season but lost their bowl game. I guess we can expect UMass and Miami to have better recruiting classes than the five MAC teams that reached a bowl this season. That seems not logical to me and I think the recruits will draw the same conclusion.

Should our basketball tournament champion decline the NCAA bid come March because a potential blowout in round one may make the conference look bad?

Ohio had an almost 40 year period without going to a bowl game. I would rather go to a bowl and lose than return to those days of the Lichtenburg era were we didn't make the MAC look bad despite having the nations longest losing streak at times during that time period.

A MAC team reached a bowl.....the bowl director would say....what can we expect for a crowd....coach replies....20.....bowl director...20 thousand that's great for a bowl like this...MAC coach tells his assistant......we might not get an invite here next year so lets enjoy the beach, the parade, do some golfing and skip practice today....they think were going sellout this game and they are going to take a bath on this one. We not going get an invite to this bowl ever again we better have a good time off the field.