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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
(12-22-2013 03:59 PM)PhillyApp1 Wrote:  
(12-22-2013 03:39 PM)panama Wrote:  Apparently his salary is $325k a year which is very FCS
http://www.timesdispatch.com/sports/coll...l?mode=jqm

So why are we speculating on a move?

$325K can not be the whole picture... He did not take the job to coach FCS

That is exactly why people are speculating a move.
12-22-2013 04:24 PM
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
Why would he not take the job to coach FCS?
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
Would you take a 40% pay cut to get a better title for a smaller company?

Now what if I told you that company is considering going public.
12-22-2013 04:39 PM
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
Does he at age 51 have another path to HC?
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
(12-22-2013 04:39 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Would you take a 40% pay cut to get a better title for a smaller company?

Now what if I told you that company is considering going public.

Maybe his old company told him he was being fired at the end of the year. Maybe he interviewed at a few other company's (FAU and others) and they said they were not interested. Maybe this was his best option. He may be looking at a job that he is getting a 250,000.00 pay cut as his best offer and is running with it.
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
51 sounds like a Good time to do what's necessary for every coach's dream job. Head coach, also jmu would be a great place to be head coach. So yes it is quite possible I would take a pay cut to be hc at a smaller school. Calculated risk. He has a reasonable chance to be successful there and move on to better.
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
Most FCS coaches don't make 325 thousand a year.
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
(12-22-2013 07:00 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Most FCS coaches don't make 325 thousand a year.

They do in the CAA and SoCon
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
Not true.

No one in the SoCon makes close to that other than Monken.
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(12-22-2013 09:45 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Not true.

No one in the SoCon makes close to that other than Monken.

The median HC salary in FCS is now $200k. The previous JMU coach made $250k. $325k would put JMU's HC in the top 15 FCS salaries but would put him dead last as a FBS coach.
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
That doesn't prove your original statement. Where are you getting your top 15 number from? I have a guess but can you confirm.
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(12-22-2013 11:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  That doesn't prove your original statement. Where are you getting your top 15 number from? I have a guess but can you confirm.

Its 11 pm, not looking for the list but I know that $325k doesnt even make him the highest paid FCS. And my original statement is that $325k is a slary more in keeping with FCS than FBS. There is nothing to indicate that this hire has anything to do with an FBS move. If they had gone $150k higher on base salary maybe.
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Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
(12-22-2013 10:08 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-22-2013 09:45 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Not true.

No one in the SoCon makes close to that other than Monken.

The median HC salary in FCS is now $200k. The previous JMU coach made $250k. $325k would put JMU's HC in the top 15 FCS salaries but would put him dead last as a FBS coach.

There are so many things wrong with this it's ridiculous, but it's all moot. When Withers' contract is made public it will have FBS escalator clauses that significantly raise his salary when a move happens. It's widely believed that negotiating over these clauses is what held the final approval of the contract until late Friday evening and did not allow for a press conference.
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
Who really gives a rats a$$ about who a FCS team hires as a coach?
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
Panama just say you are pulling your info from the air no source. You have gone from that is FCS money to not in the top 15 to now not highest paid FCS coach.
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(12-23-2013 06:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Panama just say you are pulling your info from the air no source. You have gone from that is FCS money to not in the top 15 to now not highest paid FCS coach.

No I went from that is FCS money to its top 15 FCS. :)

I am not sure what you're point is. Delaware's coach makes $350k. Unfortunately nobody tracks all FCS salaries like they do FBS. But we know this much. $325k is also, depending on whether or not ULM gives Berry a raise, either the lowest or second lowest salary in FBS. So we can't use that as a canary in the coal mine that JMU is about to go FBS. And guess what, JMU can do nothing and be just fine. They can bide their time and wait for an eastern league to form around them after all of these other experiments collapse.
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
My point is you don't have the facts to make those claims.

You said yourself they don't track FCS salaries. Yet you posted it would be top 15...

Where is your database for FBS coaches that would be interesting to see?
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(12-23-2013 07:40 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  My point is you don't have the facts to make those claims.

You said yourself they don't track FCS salaries. Yet you posted it would be top 15...

Where is your database for FBS coaches that would be interesting to see?

Seriously Saint? If you Google FBS salaries the USA Today db will likely be at the top. If you Google FCS coaches salaries you will come up with threads over the last four years of people discussing various coaches salaries. There is enough to infer there that $325k would put you in the top 15 and maybe even top 5 FCS salaries. But definitely after seeing the FBS db, I don't come away thinking JMU is making a statement because the statement would be "In order to show our commitment to going FBS we are paying our HC the 125th highest salary in FBS".

We were paying Curry $450k. When we hired Miles we didn't pay him $510k because it was more than Curry's salary, but rather because it put him above the SBC mid point.
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I would assume the MAC would want to take JMU to even out to 14 and try and foot hold an eastern part of the conference. The MAC took Umass who was FAR behind JMU in terms of readiness and upside for a move to FBS. Who knows at this point though?
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RE: Withers to JMU- Does that change JMU thinking?
Yes seriously you are now saying it is a top 5 salary. A very different story than your original post.
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