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(12-25-2013 12:24 AM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
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(12-23-2013 10:52 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Somebody please break out the Ouija Board so we can tell what the plans are for UTA Football.

They only draw a couple of thousand for basketball. Football would destroy their athletic program.

FYI, you averaged 2,175 last year. We were at 1,968. We over 2,000 until we hosted a postseason game. The last time you hosted a postseason game was... huh...it was...

UTA both has more recently been in the postseason and NCAA tourney than you. Last postseason was last year, last NIT was the year before and last NCAA was 2008. Your last legit NCAA appearance was 2000. Unfortunately, you had to vacant 2004 and 2005 for being cheaters.

You may want to go ahead and buy more glass for your house at the rate you throw stones.

When we had fun basketball teams to watched we put 10,000 in the Cajundome. They haven't been much fun to watch in a long time. We've been busy building a good football team. UTA should throw all their money into making UTA Basketball top notch. You don't need a money sucking football wannabee team.

you make a good point. I still think it will eventually happen tho.
12-25-2013 08:53 AM
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(12-24-2013 10:13 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  
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(12-23-2013 10:52 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Somebody please break out the Ouija Board so we can tell what the plans are for UTA Football.
They only draw a couple of thousand for basketball. Football would destroy their athletic program.

we draw small numbers because we dont have many big names
coming in to play. the local fans and students have proven that they will come out for people they have heard of. we packed the arena for uta vs oklahoma and the baseball team has good crowds for home games against schools like a-m and ou and tcu and arkansas. fans here just arent interested in some of the schools in the belt and hardly any of them have local fanbase to draw from. I think we would have some good crowds for games against U-laf and stAte and txst. probably not so much for the rest. If we were in the c-usa with rice and utsa and untexas, those games would certainly draw well.

Yes, that's all well and good, but you aren't in "coosa". You're in the SBC, so stop whinning. If frogs had wings, the wouldn't bump their butts.

not a whine just the real situation. why dont you guys get yourself in the top 25 then when you come play us at home we'll have that big crowd you're looking for.
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(12-25-2013 12:24 AM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
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(12-23-2013 10:52 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Somebody please break out the Ouija Board so we can tell what the plans are for UTA Football.

They only draw a couple of thousand for basketball. Football would destroy their athletic program.

FYI, you averaged 2,175 last year. We were at 1,968. We over 2,000 until we hosted a postseason game. The last time you hosted a postseason game was... huh...it was...

UTA both has more recently been in the postseason and NCAA tourney than you. Last postseason was last year, last NIT was the year before and last NCAA was 2008. Your last legit NCAA appearance was 2000. Unfortunately, you had to vacant 2004 and 2005 for being cheaters.

You may want to go ahead and buy more glass for your house at the rate you throw stones.

When we had fun basketball teams to watched we put 10,000 in the Cajundome. They haven't been much fun to watch in a long time. We've been busy building a good football team. UTA should throw all their money into making UTA Basketball top notch. You don't need a money sucking football wannabee team.

So your equal attendance to ours is a reflection that your team isn't fun to watch. Our equal attendance to yours is an indication that we can't support our teams?

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RE: UTA football question
(12-26-2013 08:07 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(12-25-2013 12:24 AM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
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(12-23-2013 10:52 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Somebody please break out the Ouija Board so we can tell what the plans are for UTA Football.

They only draw a couple of thousand for basketball. Football would destroy their athletic program.

FYI, you averaged 2,175 last year. We were at 1,968. We over 2,000 until we hosted a postseason game. The last time you hosted a postseason game was... huh...it was...

UTA both has more recently been in the postseason and NCAA tourney than you. Last postseason was last year, last NIT was the year before and last NCAA was 2008. Your last legit NCAA appearance was 2000. Unfortunately, you had to vacant 2004 and 2005 for being cheaters.

You may want to go ahead and buy more glass for your house at the rate you throw stones.

When we had fun basketball teams to watched we put 10,000 in the Cajundome. They haven't been much fun to watch in a long time. We've been busy building a good football team. UTA should throw all their money into making UTA Basketball top notch. You don't need a money sucking football wannabee team.

So your equal attendance to ours is a reflection that your team isn't fun to watch. Our equal attendance to yours is an indication that we can't support our teams?

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12-27-2013 09:15 AM
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I just see a 34,000 student university in Texas that could easily start a football team tomorrow. The problem with most folks everywhere is they want their team to compete with the big boys overnight.

There is to much money out there for UTA football. Look at it.

UTA vs TCU - 18 miles

UTA vs SMU - 27 miles

UTA vs UNT - 49 miles

UTA vs Texas A&M - 87 miles

UTA vs Baylor - 97 miles

UTA vs Texas - 196 miles

UTA vs Texas State - 229 miles

UTA vs Houston - 255 miles

UTA vs Rice - 262 miles

UTA vs UTSA - 280 miles

UTA vs Texas Tech - 333 miles

UTA vs UTEP - 622 miles

UTA will not get home and home games with Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech; however, the rest might commit to 2 for 1.

UTA would easily get $750,000 from Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech. Plus the money stays in state. I am pretty sure that UTA would bring 5,000 fans to those games.

Home and home game against TCU, SMU and UNT are easy money games for UTA. If those schools don't to trade games, then $250,000 to play in your own backyard is not a bad pay day.

I see UTA making headway really fast once bringing back football. Just look at the money

1. $750,000 for away game against Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
2. $250,000 for away game against SMU, TCU and Baylor
3. Guaranteed 30,000 people in the stands for games against UNT, Houston and Rice
4. Guaranteed 25,000 people in the stands for games against Texas State, UTSA

UTA's revenues would automatically bump up $1 to $2 million dollars just from TV coverage alone. The money is on the table.
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RE: UTA football question
(12-27-2013 11:19 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I just see a 34,000 student university in Texas that could easily start a football team tomorrow. The problem with most folks everywhere is they want their team to compete with the big boys overnight.

There is to much money out there for UTA football. Look at it.

UTA vs TCU - 18 miles

UTA vs SMU - 27 miles

UTA vs UNT - 49 miles

UTA vs Texas A&M - 87 miles

UTA vs Baylor - 97 miles

UTA vs Texas - 196 miles

UTA vs Texas State - 229 miles

UTA vs Houston - 255 miles

UTA vs Rice - 262 miles

UTA vs UTSA - 280 miles

UTA vs Texas Tech - 333 miles

UTA vs UTEP - 622 miles

UTA will not get home and home games with Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech; however, the rest might commit to 2 for 1.

UTA would easily get $750,000 from Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech. Plus the money stays in state. I am pretty sure that UTA would bring 5,000 fans to those games.

Home and home game against TCU, SMU and UNT are easy money games for UTA. If those schools don't to trade games, then $250,000 to play in your own backyard is not a bad pay day.

I see UTA making headway really fast once bringing back football. Just look at the money

1. $750,000 for away game against Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
2. $250,000 for away game against SMU, TCU and Baylor
3. Guaranteed 30,000 people in the stands for games against UNT, Houston and Rice
4. Guaranteed 25,000 people in the stands for games against Texas State, UTSA

UTA's revenues would automatically bump up $1 to $2 million dollars just from TV coverage alone. The money is on the table.

Other than the G5 schools, none of the schools listed will play them
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RE: UTA football question
(12-27-2013 12:17 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-27-2013 11:19 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I just see a 34,000 student university in Texas that could easily start a football team tomorrow. The problem with most folks everywhere is they want their team to compete with the big boys overnight.

There is to much money out there for UTA football. Look at it.

UTA vs TCU - 18 miles

UTA vs SMU - 27 miles

UTA vs UNT - 49 miles

UTA vs Texas A&M - 87 miles

UTA vs Baylor - 97 miles

UTA vs Texas - 196 miles

UTA vs Texas State - 229 miles

UTA vs Houston - 255 miles

UTA vs Rice - 262 miles

UTA vs UTSA - 280 miles

UTA vs Texas Tech - 333 miles

UTA vs UTEP - 622 miles

UTA will not get home and home games with Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech; however, the rest might commit to 2 for 1.

UTA would easily get $750,000 from Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech. Plus the money stays in state. I am pretty sure that UTA would bring 5,000 fans to those games.

Home and home game against TCU, SMU and UNT are easy money games for UTA. If those schools don't to trade games, then $250,000 to play in your own backyard is not a bad pay day.

I see UTA making headway really fast once bringing back football. Just look at the money

1. $750,000 for away game against Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
2. $250,000 for away game against SMU, TCU and Baylor
3. Guaranteed 30,000 people in the stands for games against UNT, Houston and Rice
4. Guaranteed 25,000 people in the stands for games against Texas State, UTSA

UTA's revenues would automatically bump up $1 to $2 million dollars just from TV coverage alone. The money is on the table.

Other than the G5 schools, none of the schools listed will play them

Never say never my friend. Georgia might not play Georgia State; however, Alabama greeted Ga State with open arms. Look at Texas' upcoming G5 opponents

Texas Future Non-Conference Opponents - 2013+



2013

08/31 - New Mexico State
09/07 - at BYU
09/14 - Ole Miss

2014

08/30 - North Texas
09/06 - BYU
09/13 - UCLA (at Arlington, TX)



2015

09/05 - at Notre Dame
09/12 - Rice
09/19 - California

2016

09/03 - Notre Dame
09/10 - UTEP
09/17 - at California
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With the B1G 10 already coming out and saying they don't want their schools scheduling any more FCS teams, I would expect more conferences to follow suite. As that happens, more of the G5 schools will get that opportunity. Which means more chances for in state schools to get that opportunity. Especially in Texas that has about 100 FBS football teams.
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(12-27-2013 12:17 PM)panama Wrote:  Other than the G5 schools, none of the schools listed will play them

Exactly. Even then, the caste system in this state means all of these schools will be looking down at UTA and think it is beneath them to play in Arlington.

Texas, Tech, and Baylor all play in Tarrant County (TCU) in conference play. Additionally, each of them have an annual game in the Metroplex (UT has OU in the Cotton Bowl and Tech and Baylor play at JerryWorld).

I think A&M is moving the Arkansas game back to Jerryworld until 2024, so their Dallas fix is covered.

As a sense of historic SWC pride, SMU and TCU will demand that all games be played at their stadiums despite the close proximity. University of Houston is likely to think the same way. They thought it was beneath them to play at UNT (and hate that they are coming to San Marcos).

UNT is likely to follow this code or at least demand 2-1/3-1 for the near future.

That leaves UTSA, Rice, TXST, and UTEP. All of them would probably be fine with Home and Home series. UTEP is always looking for games in the the Texas magnet cities for their recruiting and alumni.
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(12-27-2013 12:58 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(12-27-2013 12:17 PM)panama Wrote:  Other than the G5 schools, none of the schools listed will play them

Exactly. Even then, the caste system in this state means all of these schools will be looking down at UTA and think it is beneath them to play in Arlington.

Texas, Tech, and Baylor all play in Tarrant County (TCU) in conference play. Additionally, each of them have an annual game in the Metroplex (UT has OU in the Cotton Bowl and Tech and Baylor play at JerryWorld).

I think A&M is moving the Arkansas game back to Jerryworld until 2024, so their Dallas fix is covered.

As a sense of historic SWC pride, SMU and TCU will demand that all games be played at their stadiums despite the close proximity. University of Houston is likely to think the same way. They thought it was beneath them to play at UNT (and hate that they are coming to San Marcos).

UNT is likely to follow this code or at least demand 2-1/3-1 for the near future.

That leaves UTSA, Rice, TXST, and UTEP. All of them would probably be fine with Home and Home series. UTEP is always looking for games in the the Texas magnet cities for their recruiting and alumni.

They just don't want to get beat again.04-cheers
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(12-27-2013 12:58 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(12-27-2013 12:17 PM)panama Wrote:  Other than the G5 schools, none of the schools listed will play them

Exactly. Even then, the caste system in this state means all of these schools will be looking down at UTA and think it is beneath them to play in Arlington.

Texas, Tech, and Baylor all play in Tarrant County (TCU) in conference play. Additionally, each of them have an annual game in the Metroplex (UT has OU in the Cotton Bowl and Tech and Baylor play at JerryWorld).

I think A&M is moving the Arkansas game back to Jerryworld until 2024, so their Dallas fix is covered.

As a sense of historic SWC pride, SMU and TCU will demand that all games be played at their stadiums despite the close proximity. University of Houston is likely to think the same way. They thought it was beneath them to play at UNT (and hate that they are coming to San Marcos).

UNT is likely to follow this code or at least demand 2-1/3-1 for the near future.

That leaves UTSA, Rice, TXST, and UTEP. All of them would probably be fine with Home and Home series. UTEP is always looking for games in the the Texas magnet cities for their recruiting and alumni.

In your opinion, would the home and home games versus UTSA, Rice, TXST, and UTEP average more than 30,000 a game?
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Jag does bring up some valid points to the table.

Remember, UTA did a football study in 2004. It determined the Athletic Department would need to find an extra $500,000 a year beyond ticket, sponsorships, student fees and other revenue to play 1-AA football. It recommended guarantee games but cautioned it would be hard to find them every year. That wouldn't be so hard at 1-A.

UTA is fortunate that we don't have some of the issues our peers in other states have. The BCS schools will play in-state G5's in guarantee games. Baylor and Tech have histories of home-and-homes as well.

UTA has a history with TCU in every other sport, including football (2-4 all-time) though they are dodging us in basketball now that we have elevated our program.

SMU won't play us in anything, we have a lot of sports with winning records against them.

UNT is a wild card. We play every year in volleyball and softball. We had been playing every year in both basketballs, but we owning them and their men's team bought out the contract when they were supposed to play at our place, so there are a lot of hard feelings lingering. That is left up in the air.

UTSA was a long time conference member and a recent start-up. Our departments have good relations, so that is a distinct possibility.

Rice and Houston don't play us much in the other sports, so they could, but I wouldn't bet on it.

As for financials, I disagree with the notion that it is always better to be 1-A than the lower DI, but there is really not much question that financial revenue is greater. The issue will be the increased costs of playing at a higher level. 22 extra scholarships are just the tip of the iceberg. For example, the SLC was primarily a bus league. Playing in the SBC raises travel costs over 1-AA.

When the time is right, UTA will reevaluate the proposal. That will happen once we have secured proper venues for our current sports. Both basketballs are done as well as volleyball with state-of-the-art College Park Center. Baseball and softball got indoor practice facilities last year and will get clubhouses and various other improvements after this season. There will be a few minor things left for those two afterwards, but not much. Track and field already has Maverick Stadium, which is still a preferred venue. The stadium also has received renovations in the locker rooms, PA system and playing field with the last four years. Curious for a U that doesn't have the sport. That leaves only tennis, which doesn't need too much to renovate the UTA tennis center.

(12-27-2013 11:19 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  1. $750,000 for away game against Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
2. $250,000 for away game against SMU, TCU and Baylor
3. Guaranteed 30,000 people in the stands for games against UNT, Houston and Rice
4. Guaranteed 25,000 people in the stands for games against Texas State, UTSA.

1) I'd expect more from Texas or A&M. Could see that from Tech
2) If they aren't home and home series for those teams, I wouldn't play for less than $6-700,000. SMU wouldn't pay it, but they woudn't play us anyway, so it is irrelevant.
3) I could see 30,000 for the first two, but not Rice. They really don't carry much athletic weight in DFW.
4) Texas State yes. There are a lot of their alums up here. We are rivals in every other sport so that should turn out the local UTA contingent. UTSA drew only 19,000 at UNT this year. Now the Green don't have the history with UTSA we do, but I don't think that turns out an extra 6,000.
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(12-27-2013 01:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Jag does bring up some valid points to the table.

Remember, UTA did a football study in 2004. It determined the Athletic Department would need to find an extra $500,000 a year beyond ticket, sponsorships, student fees and other revenue to play 1-AA football. It recommended guarantee games but cautioned it would be hard to find them every year. That wouldn't be so hard at 1-A.

UTA is fortunate that we don't have some of the issues our peers in other states have. The BCS schools will play in-state G5's in guarantee games. Baylor and Tech have histories of home-and-homes as well.

UTA has a history with TCU in every other sport, including football (2-4 all-time) though they are dodging us in basketball now that we have elevated our program.

SMU won't play us in anything, we have a lot of sports with winning records against them.

UNT is a wild card. We play every year in volleyball and softball. We had been playing every year in both basketballs, but we owning them and their men's team bought out the contract when they were supposed to play at our place, so there are a lot of hard feelings lingering. That is left up in the air.

UTSA was a long time conference member and a recent start-up. Our departments have good relations, so that is a distinct possibility.

Rice and Houston don't play us much in the other sports, so they could, but I wouldn't bet on it.

As for financials, I disagree with the notion that it is always better to be 1-A than the lower DI, but there is really not much question that financial revenue is greater. The issue will be the increased costs of playing at a higher level. 22 extra scholarships are just the tip of the iceberg. For example, the SLC was primarily a bus league. Playing in the SBC raises travel costs over 1-AA.

When the time is right, UTA will reevaluate the proposal. That will happen once we have secured proper venues for our current sports. Both basketballs are done as well as volleyball with state-of-the-art College Park Center. Baseball and softball got indoor practice facilities last year and will get clubhouses and various other improvements after this season. There will be a few minor things left for those two afterwards, but not much. Track and field already has Maverick Stadium, which is still a preferred venue. The stadium also has received renovations in the locker rooms, PA system and playing field with the last four years. Curious for a U that doesn't have the sport. That leaves only tennis, which doesn't need too much to renovate the UTA tennis center.

(12-27-2013 11:19 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  1. $750,000 for away game against Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
2. $250,000 for away game against SMU, TCU and Baylor
3. Guaranteed 30,000 people in the stands for games against UNT, Houston and Rice
4. Guaranteed 25,000 people in the stands for games against Texas State, UTSA.

1) I'd expect more from Texas or A&M. Could see that from Tech
2) If they aren't home and home series for those teams, I wouldn't play for less than $6-700,000. SMU wouldn't pay it, but they woudn't play us anyway, so it is irrelevant.
3) I could see 30,000 for the first two, but not Rice. They really don't carry much athletic weight in DFW.
4) Texas State yes. There are a lot of their alums up here. We are rivals in every other sport so that should turn out the local UTA contingent. UTSA drew only 19,000 at UNT this year. Now the Green don't have the history with UTSA we do, but I don't think that turns out an extra 6,000.

Do you think that within 5 years (2019) that UTA could be on the field an FBS team and manage in the SBC while scheduling games with their instate brethren?
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I think as far as playing in the SBC, we are a minimum of seven years out.
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