(12-12-2013 11:22 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 01:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we want to compare Temple to Georgia State, we're basically saying that Georgia State will improve slightly for a few years and then move to CUSA because of market, where they will eventually collapse to the point that CUSA is embarrassed to admit they are associated with them?

Georgia State has issues, but I don't see Temple issues.

As far as football they are one of the all time worst. I believe one of the lowest winning percentages ever among teams that have been playing for that long. 9th worst all time amongst current FBS schools that have played at least two decades and will likely get passed by most if not all below them. They only have had three winning seasons in the two decades and went 2-10 this year. Al Golden magic is gone. Yes whether it be historical or recent they have issues. I would rather roll the dice with GaSt future over Temple's just on being in the south alone. I severely dislike just about anything associated with GaSt but there is probably more three star plus talent within 50 miles of them than in most states. Having access to local talent is by far one of if not the most important and most common elements of the vast majority of winning programs.

The magic is gone, which is why we're getting 4* and 3* recruits who turned down major major universities for Temple. Right. I'm sure you know all about us based on the zero Temple games you watched this year.

(12-12-2013 01:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 11:22 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 01:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we want to compare Temple to Georgia State, we're basically saying that Georgia State will improve slightly for a few years and then move to CUSA because of market, where they will eventually collapse to the point that CUSA is embarrassed to admit they are associated with them?

Georgia State has issues, but I don't see Temple issues.

As far as football they are one of the all time worst. I believe one of the lowest winning percentages ever among teams that have been playing for that long. 9th worst all time amongst current FBS schools that have played at least two decades and will likely get passed by most if not all below them. They only have had three winning seasons in the two decades and went 2-10 this year. Al Golden magic is gone. Yes whether it be historical or recent they have issues. I would rather roll the dice with GaSt future over Temple's just on being in the south alone. I severely dislike just about anything associated with GaSt but there is probably more three star plus talent within 50 miles of them than in most states. Having access to local talent is by far one of if not the most important and most common elements of the vast majority of winning programs.

The magic is gone, which is why we're getting 4* and 3* recruits who turned down major major universities for Temple. Right. I'm sure you know all about us based on the zero Temple games you watched this year.

I have to say...you're not crazy if they really are out yo get you...and it appears they are.

Isn't GSU playing at the Atlanta Dome free or are they paying through the nose like Temple?

(12-12-2013 01:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 11:22 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 01:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we want to compare Temple to Georgia State, we're basically saying that Georgia State will improve slightly for a few years and then move to CUSA because of market, where they will eventually collapse to the point that CUSA is embarrassed to admit they are associated with them?

Georgia State has issues, but I don't see Temple issues.

As far as football they are one of the all time worst. I believe one of the lowest winning percentages ever among teams that have been playing for that long. 9th worst all time amongst current FBS schools that have played at least two decades and will likely get passed by most if not all below them. They only have had three winning seasons in the two decades and went 2-10 this year. Al Golden magic is gone. Yes whether it be historical or recent they have issues. I would rather roll the dice with GaSt future over Temple's just on being in the south alone. I severely dislike just about anything associated with GaSt but there is probably more three star plus talent within 50 miles of them than in most states. Having access to local talent is by far one of if not the most important and most common elements of the vast majority of winning programs.

The magic is gone, which is why we're getting 4* and 3* recruits who turned down major major universities for Temple. Right. I'm sure you know all about us based on the zero Temple games you watched this year.

I have to say...you're not crazy if they really are out yo get you...and it appears they are.

Why is everyone hating on Temple? Per 247 Temple is ranked #58 in recruiting. Memphis is #89.

(12-12-2013 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  Isn't GSU playing at the Atlanta Dome free or are they paying through the nose like Temple?

$1

The Eagles hate us despite the fact that Temple paid several million for the Linc to be built. We have a raw deal there.

(12-12-2013 02:00 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 11:22 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 01:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we want to compare Temple to Georgia State, we're basically saying that Georgia State will improve slightly for a few years and then move to CUSA because of market, where they will eventually collapse to the point that CUSA is embarrassed to admit they are associated with them?

Georgia State has issues, but I don't see Temple issues.

As far as football they are one of the all time worst. I believe one of the lowest winning percentages ever among teams that have been playing for that long. 9th worst all time amongst current FBS schools that have played at least two decades and will likely get passed by most if not all below them. They only have had three winning seasons in the two decades and went 2-10 this year. Al Golden magic is gone. Yes whether it be historical or recent they have issues. I would rather roll the dice with GaSt future over Temple's just on being in the south alone. I severely dislike just about anything associated with GaSt but there is probably more three star plus talent within 50 miles of them than in most states. Having access to local talent is by far one of if not the most important and most common elements of the vast majority of winning programs.

The magic is gone, which is why we're getting 4* and 3* recruits who turned down major major universities for Temple. Right. I'm sure you know all about us based on the zero Temple games you watched this year.

I have to say...you're not crazy if they really are out yo get you...and it appears they are.

Why is everyone hating on Temple? Per 247 Temple is ranked #58 in recruiting. Memphis is #89.

Not that you care, we just got another recruit...247 has an article, but hasn't updated our rankings yet.

http://memphis.247sports.com/Article/Mem...014-165612

(12-12-2013 02:09 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:00 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 11:22 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  As far as football they are one of the all time worst. I believe one of the lowest winning percentages ever among teams that have been playing for that long. 9th worst all time amongst current FBS schools that have played at least two decades and will likely get passed by most if not all below them. They only have had three winning seasons in the two decades and went 2-10 this year. Al Golden magic is gone. Yes whether it be historical or recent they have issues. I would rather roll the dice with GaSt future over Temple's just on being in the south alone. I severely dislike just about anything associated with GaSt but there is probably more three star plus talent within 50 miles of them than in most states. Having access to local talent is by far one of if not the most important and most common elements of the vast majority of winning programs.

The magic is gone, which is why we're getting 4* and 3* recruits who turned down major major universities for Temple. Right. I'm sure you know all about us based on the zero Temple games you watched this year.

I have to say...you're not crazy if they really are out yo get you...and it appears they are.

Why is everyone hating on Temple? Per 247 Temple is ranked #58 in recruiting. Memphis is #89.

Not that you care, we just got another recruit...247 has an article, but hasn't updated our rankings yet.

http://memphis.247sports.com/Article/Mem...014-165612

He isn't rated so will not affect your ranking much.

(12-12-2013 02:13 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:09 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:00 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  The magic is gone, which is why we're getting 4* and 3* recruits who turned down major major universities for Temple. Right. I'm sure you know all about us based on the zero Temple games you watched this year.

I have to say...you're not crazy if they really are out yo get you...and it appears they are.

Why is everyone hating on Temple? Per 247 Temple is ranked #58 in recruiting. Memphis is #89.

Not that you care, we just got another recruit...247 has an article, but hasn't updated our rankings yet.

http://memphis.247sports.com/Article/Mem...014-165612

He isn't rated so will not affect your ranking much.

If Fuente thinks he's useful, that's good enough for me...

(12-12-2013 02:03 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  The Eagles hate us despite the fact that Temple paid several million for the Linc to be built. We have a raw deal there.

It's a tough situation. I am glad at least we have options.

(12-12-2013 02:00 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  Isn't GSU playing at the Atlanta Dome free or are they paying through the nose like Temple?

$1

Y'all have a good deal like UTSA. Temple is bleeding moeny for Lincoln Field.

I feel for them. I hope they get that OCS done.

If they keep raising the rent, it's just more motivation to get it done. It'll happen either way.

It is about convincing the right people outside athletics. I know there is no shortage of cash at GSU on the academic side for real estate purchases and building acquisitions. I imagine Temple's coffers are even more full.

(12-12-2013 03:41 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:00 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  Isn't GSU playing at the Atlanta Dome free or are they paying through the nose like Temple?

$1

Y'all have a good deal like UTSA. Temple is bleeding moeny for Lincoln Field.

That's a really good deal...I believe we pay 35,000 per game at the Liberty Bowl.

(12-12-2013 06:17 PM)panama Wrote:  It is about convincing the right people outside athletics. I know there is no shortage of cash at GSU on the academic side for real estate purchases and building acquisitions. I imagine Temple's coffers are even more full.

Everyone dropped the ball a few years ago when there was talk about building a football stadium on campus or right near campus in partnership with the city and the expansion MLS franchise. They ended up building it in a terrible location in Chester. That was $128M that could've gone towards our stadium.

It's going to take a few years, but I'm pretty confident it'll get done. I really wish we could get Comcast, Sunoco, Cigna, Aramark, or Campbell's for our naming rights to offset costs.

(12-12-2013 01:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 11:22 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 01:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we want to compare Temple to Georgia State, we're basically saying that Georgia State will improve slightly for a few years and then move to CUSA because of market, where they will eventually collapse to the point that CUSA is embarrassed to admit they are associated with them?

Georgia State has issues, but I don't see Temple issues.

As far as football they are one of the all time worst. I believe one of the lowest winning percentages ever among teams that have been playing for that long. 9th worst all time amongst current FBS schools that have played at least two decades and will likely get passed by most if not all below them. They only have had three winning seasons in the two decades and went 2-10 this year. Al Golden magic is gone. Yes whether it be historical or recent they have issues. I would rather roll the dice with GaSt future over Temple's just on being in the south alone. I severely dislike just about anything associated with GaSt but there is probably more three star plus talent within 50 miles of them than in most states. Having access to local talent is by far one of if not the most important and most common elements of the vast majority of winning programs.

The magic is gone, which is why we're getting 4* and 3* recruits who turned down major major universities for Temple. Right. I'm sure you know all about us based on the zero Temple games you watched this year.

No offense, but how can you be doing that and only win 2 games? You even lost to Idaho.

Well the 4* is in this year's class, as are 6 of the 3*s. We lost to Idaho with our now backup QB starting. Right now, the big issue is lack of defensive talent, which this class will mitigate. Despite our record we were not 'bad'. Ask anyone we played. We lost to Fordham, Idaho, Rutgers, and UCF by a combined 9 points. We lost to Louisville by 23. We lost to Notre Dame by 22. We lost to Cincy by 18. We lost to SMU by 10. We lost to Houston by 9. We lost to UConn by 7. These were not 70-0 losses like we used to have. We were in every game we played other than the Louisville game.

We lead Houston, SMU, Rutgers, and UConn at halftime and were down a point to UCF at halftime. We are the second youngest team in the country and had clear issues putting together 4 quarters. We could've been between 6-6 and 9-3 pretty easily if we could finish. The Fordham, SMU, Rutgers, UConn and UCF losses were losses that any remotely veteran team does not lose. The record does not tell the story at all.

(12-13-2013 01:11 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  Well the 4* is in this year's class, as are 6 of the 3*s. We lost to Idaho with our now backup QB starting. Right now, the big issue is lack of defensive talent, which this class will mitigate. Despite our record we were not 'bad'. Ask anyone we played. We lost to Fordham, Idaho, Rutgers, and UCF by a combined 9 points. We lost to Louisville by 23. We lost to Notre Dame by 22. We lost to Cincy by 18. We lost to SMU by 10. We lost to Houston by 9. We lost to UConn by 7. These were not 70-0 losses like we used to have. We were in every game we played other than the Louisville game.

We lead Houston, SMU, Rutgers, and UConn at halftime and were down a point to UCF at halftime. We are the second youngest team in the country and had clear issues putting together 4 quarters. We could've been between 6-6 and 9-3 pretty easily if we could finish. The Fordham, SMU, Rutgers, UConn and UCF losses were losses that any remotely veteran team does not lose. The record does not tell the story at all.

The records never tell the whole story, but it is generally all that casual observers have to use to evaluate a team. Georgia State was 0-12, but was a better team than last season and "improved" throughout the course of this season.

Key has always been to find the right coach who can sell the vision to an administration, a community, the donors, and (critically) the recruits. I think we have part of that in place at GSU, now, and I suspect Temple does as well. Urban schools have different issues than suburban schools, namely land (or access to it), to build an OCS. Playing in a non-OCS presents different challenges as well.

Could be worse: we could still be wishing we had football instead of the the opportunities to ***** and moan about how bad it is right now and waiting for it to get better. Rather be 0-12 than 0-0.

(12-13-2013 11:43 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 01:11 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  Well the 4* is in this year's class, as are 6 of the 3*s. We lost to Idaho with our now backup QB starting. Right now, the big issue is lack of defensive talent, which this class will mitigate. Despite our record we were not 'bad'. Ask anyone we played. We lost to Fordham, Idaho, Rutgers, and UCF by a combined 9 points. We lost to Louisville by 23. We lost to Notre Dame by 22. We lost to Cincy by 18. We lost to SMU by 10. We lost to Houston by 9. We lost to UConn by 7. These were not 70-0 losses like we used to have. We were in every game we played other than the Louisville game.

We lead Houston, SMU, Rutgers, and UConn at halftime and were down a point to UCF at halftime. We are the second youngest team in the country and had clear issues putting together 4 quarters. We could've been between 6-6 and 9-3 pretty easily if we could finish. The Fordham, SMU, Rutgers, UConn and UCF losses were losses that any remotely veteran team does not lose. The record does not tell the story at all.

The records never tell the whole story, but it is generally all that casual observers have to use to evaluate a team. Georgia State was 0-12, but was a better team than last season and "improved" throughout the course of this season.

Key has always been to find the right coach who can sell the vision to an administration, a community, the donors, and (critically) the recruits. I think we have part of that in place at GSU, now, and I suspect Temple does as well. Urban schools have different issues than suburban schools, namely land (or access to it), to build an OCS. Playing in a non-OCS presents different challenges as well.

Could be worse: we could still be wishing we had football instead of the the opportunities to ***** and moan about how bad it is right now and waiting for it to get better. Rather be 0-12 than 0-0.

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