(12-09-2013 10:47 AM)Senatobia Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 10:29 AM)Jacque Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Do any of you believe there was ANYONE that could have made any difference in the # of SBC schools bowling this year? Benson had nothing to do with getting beat out by the MAC and CUSA for bowl tie ins


The same people bitching about "rules" "bylaws" are some of the same ones that no more than 6 weeks ago were saying "the bowls" have the choice to take the school they think will make them the most money....not the SBC standings.

Exactly

1) What bowl tie in could Karl Benson have gotten in the last two years for the Belt?

2) What bowl this year was going to take a Sun Belt team over an AQ team?

I get that WKU is disappointed. I get that Troy, ULM, USA, and Texas State are disappointed. But know this. The MAC, with all those backup slots ended up with a team with a winning record sitting at home too. Neither CUSA nor the MAC nor the MWC were able to get any 6 win teams into a bowl. They all have teams sitting at home.

Regarding Ark State over WKU. You had a better overall record than Ark State, but Ark State had a better conference record. And Ark State is a co-champion. And Ark State is staying. I don't think you really have a overwhelming argument that you got jobbed. And you shouldn't expect the Belt to stiff their own conference champion to make a spot for someone who is leaving.

I agree, except GoDaddy had already offered and ASU accepted before[b] they were co-champions so that particular fact is not pertinent to the argument.

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Then the fact that it was a real possibility, if not probability and could have real legal ramifications likely had no bearing on their actions.

Your skull is pretty thick.

Not saying that WKU got jobbed, just pointing out that ASU was not picked because they were co-champs, but for other reasons.
Did you have a bad weekend? It is way too early in the week to be insulting people for no good reason.
I have been told after close examination by a team of highly qualified skull doctors that my skull is of normal thickness.

Would this be Benson's MoU...?

(12-09-2013 10:47 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 10:16 AM)MTowho Wrote:  He could have just said "The MAC has proven for years that they can run circles around the Sun Belt in securing backup agreements"

Yep in the Sun Belts footprint which is a joke in itself....No reason the Sun Belt should have allowed the MAC to come in and get a secondary bowl agreement to a bowl in Tampa in SB's back yard, SB should have been all over that.....WKU should be replacing Ohio in that bowl...Ohio 6 and 6 is a joke, look at their schedule..

Benson is pointing out WKU probably to avoid embarrasment the nation sees with a 8 and 4 team with wins over Navy and UK sitting at home....Regardless if we are leaving or not leaving, the perception is bad when national causal fans see a 8 and4 WKU team with solid wins sitting at home period from the SUN BELT....Most casual fans do not know WKU is leaving the conf. and just see wow the Sun Belt is horrible when it comes to get teams in bowls look at WKU....Pereception will always continue to be CUSA>SBC, and this season is another classic example.....

The MAC had that secondary agreement signed a while ago. They were in the same boat we ar ein, too few bowls for enough teams. Meanwhile, the SBC couldn't have gotten that secondary because their rolling average wasn't high enough yet. It wasn't a case of the MAC beating us out, but rather a case of the football conference growing and maturing.

(12-08-2013 10:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Exactly

1) What bowl tie in could Karl Benson have gotten in the last two years for the Belt? Military Bowl in 2012 for MT

2) What bowl this year was going to take a Sun Belt team over an AQ team?
Independence, apparently, but the commissioner failed to secure that deal

(12-09-2013 03:28 PM)MTowho Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Exactly

1) What bowl tie in could Karl Benson have gotten in the last two years for the Belt? Military Bowl in 2012 for MT

2) What bowl this year was going to take a Sun Belt team over an AQ team?
Independence, apparently, but the commissioner failed to secure that deal

The Indy wasn't going to pass up a team from the Pac12. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is. It would have made no difference if the team was from CUSA either.

It also didn't help when ULM crapped the bed at USA, leaving them at 6-6.

The only plausible way that the Belt was going to get 3 bid this year was with ULL going to Shreveport, thus opening up a slot for someone else. Either the Indy Bowl wasn't interested or ULL wasn't willing to play ball.

The Sun Belt didn't owe MTSU squat after the way they hid their preexisting agreement to join CUSA. San Jose and/or the WAC paid big bucks to play in the 2012 Military Bowl. Why should the Belt pay for you to play in that game? Why didn't you guys just match the incentive payment SJSU paid for that game.

(12-09-2013 04:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 03:28 PM)MTowho Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Exactly

1) What bowl tie in could Karl Benson have gotten in the last two years for the Belt? Military Bowl in 2012 for MT

2) What bowl this year was going to take a Sun Belt team over an AQ team?
Independence, apparently, but the commissioner failed to secure that deal

The Indy wasn't going to pass up a team from the Pac12. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is. It would have made no difference if the team was from CUSA either.

It also didn't help when ULM crapped the bed at USA, leaving them at 6-6.

The only plausible way that the Belt was going to get 3 bid this year was with ULL going to Shreveport, thus opening up a slot for someone else. Either the Indy Bowl wasn't interested or ULL wasn't willing to play ball.

The Sun Belt didn't owe MTSU squat after the way they hid their preexisting agreement to join CUSA. San Jose and/or the WAC paid big bucks to play in the 2012 Military Bowl. Why should the Belt pay for you to play in that game? Why didn't you guys just match the incentive payment SJSU paid for that game.

I don't think the conference owed us anything either, but now the Sun Belt team has had an 8-4 team left out of the postseason three years in a row, not exactly great press.

(12-09-2013 04:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 04:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 03:28 PM)MTowho Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Exactly

1) What bowl tie in could Karl Benson have gotten in the last two years for the Belt? Military Bowl in 2012 for MT

2) What bowl this year was going to take a Sun Belt team over an AQ team?
Independence, apparently, but the commissioner failed to secure that deal

The Indy wasn't going to pass up a team from the Pac12. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is. It would have made no difference if the team was from CUSA either.

It also didn't help when ULM crapped the bed at USA, leaving them at 6-6.

The only plausible way that the Belt was going to get 3 bid this year was with ULL going to Shreveport, thus opening up a slot for someone else. Either the Indy Bowl wasn't interested or ULL wasn't willing to play ball.

The Sun Belt didn't owe MTSU squat after the way they hid their preexisting agreement to join CUSA. San Jose and/or the WAC paid big bucks to play in the 2012 Military Bowl. Why should the Belt pay for you to play in that game? Why didn't you guys just match the incentive payment SJSU paid for that game.

I don't think the conference owed us anything either, but now the Sun Belt team has had an 8-4 team left out of the postseason three years in a row, not exactly great press.

Not happy about in any of the instances, but as noted previously we signed as many deals as we were allowed and when were in a position to sign more, no new bowls could be created. Sucks but when has the Sun Belt ever had a lick of luck?

(12-09-2013 05:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 04:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 04:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 03:28 PM)MTowho Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Exactly

1) What bowl tie in could Karl Benson have gotten in the last two years for the Belt? Military Bowl in 2012 for MT

2) What bowl this year was going to take a Sun Belt team over an AQ team?
Independence, apparently, but the commissioner failed to secure that deal

The Indy wasn't going to pass up a team from the Pac12. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is. It would have made no difference if the team was from CUSA either.

It also didn't help when ULM crapped the bed at USA, leaving them at 6-6.

The only plausible way that the Belt was going to get 3 bid this year was with ULL going to Shreveport, thus opening up a slot for someone else. Either the Indy Bowl wasn't interested or ULL wasn't willing to play ball.

The Sun Belt didn't owe MTSU squat after the way they hid their preexisting agreement to join CUSA. San Jose and/or the WAC paid big bucks to play in the 2012 Military Bowl. Why should the Belt pay for you to play in that game? Why didn't you guys just match the incentive payment SJSU paid for that game.

I don't think the conference owed us anything either, but now the Sun Belt team has had an 8-4 team left out of the postseason three years in a row, not exactly great press.

Not happy about in any of the instances, but as noted previously we signed as many deals as we were allowed and when were in a position to sign more, no new bowls could be created. Sucks but when has the Sun Belt ever had a lick of luck?

Wright Waters retired? That was pretty lucky... Well it seemed to be at the time... okay... nvm...