(12-09-2013 12:04 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Out of the 11 five shouldn't be in the running for a bowl.....

App and GSU, winless GAST, New Mexico State and Idaho

if Idaho, GAST or New Mexico State gets 6 wins the SBC must be very down

Most likely the # of 6 win schools stay the same or go up...only down in rare years

Or they just got better. Turnarounds happen all the time. For good and bad.

(12-09-2013 12:07 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Georgia State was in a lot of games this year. I don't know much about Idaho or NMST. When are App and GSU postseason eligible? As crazy as the Sun Belt is year in and year out I wouldn't put it past anyone to get to 6 wins or better. We went from 2-10 to 7-5 in 2011.

Idaho and NMST weren't totally feeble in the Sun Belt the last time they were in it. The Belt was weaker then and things have changed. But I don't expect them to be a doormat every single year. They will compete.

There is no telling what can happen year-to-year in the Fun Belt.

Imagine the year when Idaho and NMST are conference co-champs. What SBC affiliated bowl in our footprint will want them? They could sit at home as co-champs with great records.

(12-09-2013 12:32 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:07 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Georgia State was in a lot of games this year. I don't know much about Idaho or NMST. When are App and GSU postseason eligible? As crazy as the Sun Belt is year in and year out I wouldn't put it past anyone to get to 6 wins or better. We went from 2-10 to 7-5 in 2011.

Idaho and NMST weren't totally feeble in the Sun Belt the last time they were in it. The Belt was weaker then and things have changed. But I don't expect them to be a doormat every single year. They will compete.

There is no telling what can happen year-to-year in the Fun Belt.

Imagine the year when Idaho and NMST are conference co-champs. What SBC affiliated bowl in our footprint will want them? They could sit at home as co-champs with great records.

That's when the SBC makes deals with other conference to switch things around that year. It happens with other conferences.

All that there is to do ATM IMHO and as a future SBC looking in this is what I will do, I will watch the SBC bowl games I will hope they fill the stadium and their fans are greater then the other teams in number I will hope they decimate their enemy and I will look forward to next season where you will get two teams that meet or go over capacity 9/10 every year with winning traditions and strong recruits that will help. I don't feel pessimistic I feel very optimistic, together we rise.


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(12-08-2013 10:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Talk about head to head
talk about TV numbers
talk about the improving SBC


talk about anything you want but in the end 71% of SBC schools with 6 or more wins were left out of bowls

next year the sbc will have 1 more bowl and that's it....

so that would mean only 4 out 7 of the sbc teams with at least 6 wins would have been left without a bowl game

Tom in Lazybrook where do you get 10 more spots next year? I'm sure you are thinking the playoffs leaves more bowl spots and this is about the 3rd time you said that....everytime someone will tell you NO IT DOESN'T that the playoffs will be at the home of BCS bowls. I guess if you repeat it enough you think it is fact....doesn't work that way

This time next year the SBC will again be on the outside looking in....no matter if you have three 10-2 schools and two 9-3 and a 8-4 the two 9-3 schools and 8-4 will be left out over a 7-5 and maybe even a 6-6 CUSA or MAC school

So the tv or head to head doesn't mean jack

35 bowls this year.
Subtract the BCS title game.
That's 34
Add Camellia, Boca, Miami, Bahamas
That's 38
My Arkie math says that's 76 spots vs. 70 this year.

SIX spots not the 10 as Tom in Lazybrook keeps repeating and repeating and repeating. Like if he keeps saying it it's coming true

The other 4 are the playoff spots, which like it or not, keep those teams out of bowls, so in essence, there are 10 extra spots this year.

Lets say that next year was this year...Here is what happens

79 Bowl Eligible: Auburn, FSU, Michigan State, and Alabama go to the 4 team playoff.

Now we have 75 bowl teams left to place. There are now 38 bowl slots to place those teams instead of 35. Meaning that we have 76 spots, and every G5 school gets covered, and UTSA even sneaks into a bowl despite not actually being eligible this year.

Tell me how that's not a huge edge for everyone?

Opening round of playoff is in existing bowls.

(12-09-2013 03:06 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Opening round of playoff is in existing bowls.

Oops.

So in that situation, we've got 76 slots for 79 teams and San Jose, Texas State, and USA sit out.

(12-09-2013 12:07 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Georgia State was in a lot of games this year. I don't know much about Idaho or NMST. When are App and GSU postseason eligible? As crazy as the Sun Belt is year in and year out I wouldn't put it past anyone to get to 6 wins or better. We went from 2-10 to 7-5 in 2011.

I may be wrong, as I frequently am.... but I'd have taken Georgia State -3 against Idaho OR NMSU in the 2nd half of the season any_day_of_the_week.

(12-08-2013 09:33 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  The whole system is screwed in favor of maintaining the status quo for P5 programs and making sure threats from below are minimized. This is how it is. It will not change unless there is a sea-change in a way the media is delivered or ESPN decides that they've created a P5 monster that they can no longer control and need to promote something else.

There are those of us who do not have a tv market. There are those of us who do have tv markets but can't get our own students to attend a game. There are those of us who can't put a winning product on the field. There are those of us who have a P5 school in our states that are trying to squash us.

We have a lot more problems than bowl availability and by "we" I mean all of G5.

Our biggest problem is that we are all too fancy to associate with each other and all insist we are the taller midget and try to cut each other's legs out from under one another to prove it.

It will never change until the G5 cooperate with one another, and they never will.

Great post! To some extent the commissioner needs to do better, but when every 6-6 team from the P5 is going bowling and P5 conferences have more bids than eligible teams on a fairly consisten basis, there is not a lot that the G5 conferences can do, other than as suggested above they work together in order to have some level of power.

(12-09-2013 10:39 AM)Jacque Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:33 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  The whole system is screwed in favor of maintaining the status quo for P5 programs and making sure threats from below are minimized. This is how it is. It will not change unless there is a sea-change in a way the media is delivered or ESPN decides that they've created a P5 monster that they can no longer control and need to promote something else.

There are those of us who do not have a tv market. There are those of us who do have tv markets but can't get our own students to attend a game. There are those of us who can't put a winning product on the field. There are those of us who have a P5 school in our states that are trying to squash us.

We have a lot more problems than bowl availability and by "we" I mean all of G5.

Our biggest problem is that we are all too fancy to associate with each other and all insist we are the taller midget and try to cut each other's legs out from under one another to prove it.

It will never change until the G5 cooperate with one another, and they never will.

Great post! To some extent the commissioner needs to do better, but when every 6-6 team from the P5 is going bowling and P5 conferences have more bids than eligible teams on a fairly consisten basis, there is not a lot that the G5 conferences can do, other than as suggested above they work together in order to have some level of power.

If you ask me, the current plethora of bowls coming is simply welfare for the G5. If you think about it, the P5 are simply allowing more meaningless bowl games for the G5 so they won't complain about access to the big bowl games. They think as long as all the small schools get all their 6-6 teams in a bowl game we will be compliant and not complain about a 6-6 Iowa State beating out any of our 8-4 teams for a spot in bowls like: Liberty, Independence, Music City, Birmingham, etc.

I'm not super excited about a bowl in Montgomery, AL or Boca or the Bahamas for that matter. And if you'll notice the spots rotate between a few G5 conferences which is just built in fluff so if one conference can't fill a spot they just pick from one of the others.

Like Wellfare that keeps the masses from revolting…these crappy bowl destinations are designed to keep the G5 from revolting or asking for access to better bowls.

AGREED!

The bowls aren't welfare. The way they are structured, if you sell tickets you make money. If you lose money you or you and the league eat it.

(12-09-2013 11:54 AM)JSinLR Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 10:39 AM)Jacque Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:33 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  The whole system is screwed in favor of maintaining the status quo for P5 programs and making sure threats from below are minimized. This is how it is. It will not change unless there is a sea-change in a way the media is delivered or ESPN decides that they've created a P5 monster that they can no longer control and need to promote something else.

There are those of us who do not have a tv market. There are those of us who do have tv markets but can't get our own students to attend a game. There are those of us who can't put a winning product on the field. There are those of us who have a P5 school in our states that are trying to squash us.

We have a lot more problems than bowl availability and by "we" I mean all of G5.

Our biggest problem is that we are all too fancy to associate with each other and all insist we are the taller midget and try to cut each other's legs out from under one another to prove it.

It will never change until the G5 cooperate with one another, and they never will.

Great post! To some extent the commissioner needs to do better, but when every 6-6 team from the P5 is going bowling and P5 conferences have more bids than eligible teams on a fairly consisten basis, there is not a lot that the G5 conferences can do, other than as suggested above they work together in order to have some level of power.

If you ask me, the current plethora of bowls coming is simply welfare for the G5. If you think about it, the P5 are simply allowing more meaningless bowl games for the G5 so they won't complain about access to the big bowl games. They think as long as all the small schools get all their 6-6 teams in a bowl game we will be compliant and not complain about a 6-6 Iowa State beating out any of our 8-4 teams for a spot in bowls like: Liberty, Independence, Music City, Birmingham, etc.

I'm not super excited about a bowl in Montgomery, AL or Boca or the Bahamas for that matter. And if you'll notice the spots rotate between a few G5 conferences which is just built in fluff so if one conference can't fill a spot they just pick from one of the others.

Like Wellfare that keeps the masses from revolting…these crappy bowl destinations are designed to keep the G5 from revolting or asking for access to better bowls.

Gold stars for this post!

In all of this, where is the outrage from school presidents?